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naqel Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:58 am Posts: 344	Variants you'd like to see. Let's be honest, aside from the Titan, weapon variants were too samey to really justify. Most of them either ended as flat out upgrades, or downgades, precisely because they brought so little to the table. Since it's not very likely Hi-Rez will ever fix those, I suppose the next best course of action would be to suggest some more interesting ways to approach the subject, so that the mistakes are hopefully never again repeated. My suggestions are as follows: Infiltrator: -Sharpened Throwing Knifes: 400 damage, no AoE Because there's just so many things current knifes are 25 damage short to do. Crazy rating: Low Raider: -Jammed Cluster Grenade: Instead of exploding into a burst of 8 smaller grenades, due to a jammed dispersion mechanism this grenade explodes 8 times, bouncing around with each explosion, over a short period of time. Essentially, a different take on the "explosive fractal" concept. Crazy rating: Low Juggernaut: -Revolver adapted MIRV/Auto-Mortar: A MIRV launcher adjusted to launch a single small shell, instead of a cluster. 4 shots per clip, each at about 500 damage(to a player, all normal multipliers apply), with a 1 second "fuse". Roughly 40 ammo(after upgrades). Sacrifices damage for a cool and different way of operation. Crazy rating: Low-Medium Raider: -Overclocked Plasma Gun/Plasma Auto-Gun: Basically, Grav-cycle gun in handheld form. A quick burst of plasma shots, each doing half the normal damage. Smaller clip(8 rounds), and lower overall damage(50%[base cut]*80%[clip cut]=40% original damage per clip), is compensated with burst damage and a few extra reloads. Crazy rating: Medium-High Sentinel: -Phase Blaster: A Phase Rifle, that uses no energy and acts like a Nova Blaster when used without zoom. Also, larger clip(to use un-zoomed more), and higher energy consumption when zoomed(to counteract the previous thing). Crazy rating: High Brute: -Turbo Plasma Cannon: Plasma Cannon adjusted for use as a Primary weapon. Extra 50 damage(625 total), increased firing rate to match the raiders Plasma Gun. Two simple reasons: -Plasma Cannon should really be a Primary weapon to begin with. -DOUBLE PLASMA CANNONS! Crazy rating: Very High Well, that would be it from me, sorted by crazy, what about you guys? Just remember, suggest "variants" only, no new models, just functionality. _________________ patchnotes wrote: Voicepacks are now available to purchase. Last edited by naqel on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:05 pm

raptorak Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am Posts: 1271	Re: Variants you'd like to see. Rusty "Dead Horse" Spinfusor- 100% inheritance spinfusor for pathfinder.
Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:09 pm

naqel Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:58 am Posts: 344	Re: Variants you'd like to see. I take it I ate all the good ones? Come on, don't you want better variants? Not like we're getting better physics... _________________ patchnotes wrote: Voicepacks are now available to purchase.
Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:01 pm

Gierling Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:56 am Posts: 1389	Re: Variants you'd like to see. I would have used the term "bound" for the cluster, as I could imagine a field modification of Glueing the d*** grenade together to get it to do that. Also, I would really want an arx that has a smaller radius but does more damage with a stick damage bonus. So a smaller radius and 625 damage that does 750 on a stick.
Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:06 pm

LancerKagato Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:30 am Posts: 538	Re: Variants you'd like to see. Soldier Chainfusor Multibarred spinfusor 910 dmg with 0 inheritence and only a 700 round magazine crazy level very low PTH Boltnuker STandard boltlauncher with a nuclear warhead added good against HoF 5000 Damage with a blast radius = to a flag stand area. crazy level, super low _________________ Autowhoring since 1998 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U671V2y4mbo
Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:13 pm

mousedisc Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am Posts: 531	Re: Variants you'd like to see. Spectrum Phase Rifle, fires multiple shots in rapid succession, each successive shot hitting with less damage. Total damage equal to a fully charged phase shot. SNT. Knockback Disc: A disc with a very bright/white spikey halo around it that on impact knocks targets back twice as much but does half the damage. It does not reduce momentum in the slightest, so usage on the flag stand could be unpredictable. It essential functions as a tool to push opponents into comprosing position. SLD. Rocket Thumper: A non-range restricted thumper (with obvious halo or trail) that does 75% of default thumper. SLD. _________________ ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS
Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:39 pm

Fallwind Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:36 pm Posts: 740	Re: Variants you'd like to see. High Speed Fusor (sent) 910 damage, twice the speed of normal disks, 150% recharge time (useful for hitting slow moving or stationary targets, bad for hitting fast targets (but a high reward if you do!)) crazy rating: med-high Beacon Sticky (inf) 0 damage, stays attached to the target (including players!) for 60 seconds. Gives targeting data to all friendlies crazy: low Thrown Mortar (Sld) 1300 damage, same radius as the jug mortar. Upset at all the Jugs stealing their spinfusor ammo, soldiers have taken to raiding their mortar rounds to throw. crazy: yeah, kinda, but funny. _________________ BOOMS FOR THE BOOM GOD! Play to win or I will.
Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:17 pm

LancerKagato Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:30 am Posts: 538	Re: Variants you'd like to see. All classes Orbital gun 10000 dmg, fires the orbital strike out of a gun all 10 of them requires a 3 second charge crazy none _________________ Autowhoring since 1998 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U671V2y4mbo
Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:00 pm

MajorKong_ Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:37 pm Posts: 505 Location: London - EU	Re: Variants you'd like to see. grav cycle with horizontal blades
Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:23 pm

Cyanistic Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:16 pm Posts: 3783 Steam Gamer Name: Cyanistic	Re: Variants you'd like to see. ;-; y everyone forget my giant thread of weapon ideas
Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:21 pm

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naqel

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:58 am
Posts: 344

Variants you'd like to see.

Let's be honest, aside from the Titan, weapon variants were too samey to really justify.
Most of them either ended as flat out upgrades, or downgades, precisely because they brought so little to the table.

Since it's not very likely Hi-Rez will ever fix those, I suppose the next best course of action would be to suggest some more interesting ways to approach the subject, so that the mistakes are hopefully never again repeated.

My suggestions are as follows:

Infiltrator:
-Sharpened Throwing Knifes:
400 damage, no AoE
Because there's just so many things current knifes are 25 damage short to do.
Crazy rating: Low

Raider:
-Jammed Cluster Grenade:
Instead of exploding into a burst of 8 smaller grenades, due to a jammed dispersion mechanism this grenade explodes 8 times, bouncing around with each explosion, over a short period of time.
Essentially, a different take on the "explosive fractal" concept.
Crazy rating: Low

Juggernaut:
-Revolver adapted MIRV/Auto-Mortar:
A MIRV launcher adjusted to launch a single small shell, instead of a cluster.
4 shots per clip, each at about 500 damage(to a player, all normal multipliers apply), with a 1 second "fuse". Roughly 40 ammo(after upgrades).
Sacrifices damage for a cool and different way of operation.
Crazy rating: Low-Medium

Raider:
-Overclocked Plasma Gun/Plasma Auto-Gun:
Basically, Grav-cycle gun in handheld form.
A quick burst of plasma shots, each doing half the normal damage.
Smaller clip(8 rounds), and lower overall damage(50%[base cut]*80%[clip cut]=40% original damage per clip), is compensated with burst damage and a few extra reloads.
Crazy rating: Medium-High

Sentinel:
-Phase Blaster:
A Phase Rifle, that uses no energy and acts like a Nova Blaster when used without zoom.
Also, larger clip(to use un-zoomed more), and higher energy consumption when zoomed(to counteract the previous thing).
Crazy rating: High

Brute:
-Turbo Plasma Cannon:
Plasma Cannon adjusted for use as a Primary weapon.
Extra 50 damage(625 total), increased firing rate to match the raiders Plasma Gun.
Two simple reasons:
-Plasma Cannon should really be a Primary weapon to begin with.
-DOUBLE PLASMA CANNONS!
Crazy rating: Very High

Well, that would be it from me, sorted by crazy, what about you guys?
Just remember, suggest "variants" only, no new models, just functionality.

_________________

patchnotes wrote:

Voicepacks are now available to purchase.

Last edited by naqel on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:05 pm

raptorak

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am
Posts: 1271

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

Rusty "Dead Horse" Spinfusor- 100% inheritance spinfusor for pathfinder.

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:09 pm

naqel

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:58 am
Posts: 344

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

I take it I ate all the good ones?

Come on, don't you want better variants? Not like we're getting better physics...

_________________

patchnotes wrote:

Voicepacks are now available to purchase.

Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:01 pm

Gierling

Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:56 am
Posts: 1389

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

I would have used the term "bound" for the cluster, as I could imagine a field modification of Glueing the d*** grenade together to get it to do that.

Also, I would really want an arx that has a smaller radius but does more damage with a stick damage bonus. So a smaller radius and 625 damage that does 750 on a stick.

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:06 pm

LancerKagato

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:30 am
Posts: 538

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

Soldier
Chainfusor
Multibarred spinfusor
910 dmg with 0 inheritence and only a 700 round magazine
crazy level very low

PTH
Boltnuker
STandard boltlauncher with a nuclear warhead added good against HoF
5000 Damage with a blast radius = to a flag stand area.
crazy level, super low

_________________
Autowhoring since 1998
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U671V2y4mbo

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:13 pm

mousedisc

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am
Posts: 531

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

Spectrum Phase Rifle, fires multiple shots in rapid succession, each successive shot hitting with less damage. Total damage equal to a fully charged phase shot. SNT.

Knockback Disc: A disc with a very bright/white spikey halo around it that on impact knocks targets back twice as much but does half the damage. It does not reduce momentum in the slightest, so usage on the flag stand could be unpredictable. It essential functions as a tool to push opponents into comprosing position. SLD.

Rocket Thumper: A non-range restricted thumper (with obvious halo or trail) that does 75% of default thumper. SLD.

_________________
ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O
RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:39 pm

Fallwind

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:36 pm
Posts: 740

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

High Speed Fusor (sent)
910 damage, twice the speed of normal disks, 150% recharge time (useful for hitting slow moving or stationary targets, bad for hitting fast targets (but a high reward if you do!))
crazy rating: med-high

Beacon Sticky (inf)
0 damage, stays attached to the target (including players!) for 60 seconds. Gives targeting data to all friendlies
crazy: low

Thrown Mortar (Sld)
1300 damage, same radius as the jug mortar. Upset at all the Jugs stealing their spinfusor ammo, soldiers have taken to raiding their mortar rounds to throw.
crazy: yeah, kinda, but funny.

_________________
BOOMS FOR THE BOOM GOD!

Play to win or I will.

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:17 pm

LancerKagato

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:30 am
Posts: 538

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

All classes
Orbital gun
10000 dmg, fires the orbital strike out of a gun all 10 of them requires a 3 second charge
crazy none

_________________
Autowhoring since 1998
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U671V2y4mbo

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:00 pm

MajorKong_

Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:37 pm
Posts: 505
Location: London - EU

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

grav cycle with horizontal blades

Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:23 pm

Cyanistic

Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:16 pm
Posts: 3783
Steam Gamer Name: Cyanistic

Re: Variants you'd like to see.

;-; y everyone forget my giant thread of weapon ideas

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:21 pm

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