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eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Bringing back bounce physics I just tried playing after a long break and noticed how all the fun bounce routes have been completely ruined. Even if you bounce at an angle of only 45 degrees you lose a huge amount of speed. I can understand why 180 degree bounces were removed. I do think that bounces with an "inside angle" of more than 90 degrees shouldn't be as penalized as they are now and be reverted back to their old state. This picture is an example of a bounce with an "inside angle" of 90 degrees. You enter at 45 degrees in relation to the wall. Entry angles of roughly 45 degrees and lower shouldn't be speed penalized, imo. This used to be a great part of the game that added both depth and fun. You would experiment with colliding into different objects at different angles to see if you could find a brand new route or approach. insert "Tribes:ascend no fun allowed.gif" here Last edited by eureus on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:11 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:28 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Further tweaking bounce physics Am I the only one missing the bounciness?
Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:15 pm

dragonsmash Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:12 am Posts: 95	Re: Bringing back bounce physics It's obvious that even reasonable bounces were nerfed and make you take damage. The patch notes lied in that sense; the angle doesn't have to be anywhere near 180 degrees for the nerf to take effect. I never really used bouncing, but it seems like a good mechanic to me. _________________
Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:21 pm

Durzaka Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm Posts: 1276	Re: Bringing back bounce physics I hate people who call bounce routes fun. They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong. They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:32 pm

dragonsmash Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:12 am Posts: 95	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Durzaka wrote: I hate people who call bounce routes fun. They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong. They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way. Still, Hi-Rez stated in the patch notes that they intended to keep rock routes in the game, but all of the good ones were pretty much ruined. _________________
Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:47 pm

Durzaka Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm Posts: 1276	Re: Bringing back bounce physics dragonsmash wrote: Durzaka wrote: I hate people who call bounce routes fun. They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong. They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way. Still, Hi-Rez stated in the patch notes that they intended to keep rock routes in the game, but all of the good ones were pretty much ruined. how many of these good ones were close to 90 degree turns?
Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:01 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Plenty of the routes I was using that no longer work were between 45 and 90 degree bounces. Perfectly fine and balanced imo. I can see how 180 turns should be removed, afaik they were only a problem on Tartarus due to its map design. But why were the fair routes also made useless in the process? It does not make sense to remove a great gameplay element like that. It added so much to the game.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:02 pm

mrboneguy Joined: Tue May 29, 2012 2:05 pm Posts: 294	Re: Bringing back bounce physics The changes seem good to me.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:05 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics mrboneguy wrote: The changes seem good to me. Ever used a route that required bouncing?
Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:23 pm

Karakara Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 3:28 pm Posts: 187	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Nah, dont bring them back. Im glad they are out. TA has enough bizarre, non-intuitive physics... and flag cappers dont need any more of an advantage than they already have.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:50 pm

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eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Bringing back bounce physics

I just tried playing after a long break and noticed how all the fun bounce routes have been completely ruined. Even if you bounce at an angle of only 45 degrees you lose a huge amount of speed.

I can understand why 180 degree bounces were removed. I do think that bounces with an "inside angle" of more than 90 degrees shouldn't be as penalized as they are now and be reverted back to their old state.

This picture is an example of a bounce with an "inside angle" of 90 degrees. You enter at 45 degrees in relation to the wall.

Entry angles of roughly 45 degrees and lower shouldn't be speed penalized, imo.

This used to be a great part of the game that added both depth and fun. You would experiment with colliding into different objects at different angles to see if you could find a brand new route or approach.

*insert "Tribes:ascend no fun allowed.gif" here*

Last edited by eureus on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:11 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:28 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Further tweaking bounce physics

Am I the only one missing the bounciness?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:15 pm

dragonsmash

Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:12 am
Posts: 95

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

It's obvious that even reasonable bounces were nerfed and make you take damage. The patch notes lied in that sense; the angle doesn't have to be anywhere near 180 degrees for the nerf to take effect.

I never really used bouncing, but it seems like a good mechanic to me.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:21 pm

Durzaka

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm
Posts: 1276

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

I hate people who call bounce routes fun.

They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong.

They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:32 pm

dragonsmash

Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:12 am
Posts: 95

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Durzaka wrote:

I hate people who call bounce routes fun.

They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong.

They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way.

Still, Hi-Rez stated in the patch notes that they intended to keep rock routes in the game, but all of the good ones were pretty much ruined.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:47 pm

Durzaka

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm
Posts: 1276

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

dragonsmash wrote:

Durzaka wrote:

I hate people who call bounce routes fun.

They are only fun because the enemy team can't seem them coming and they are ridiculously strong.

They needed to be nerfed and i hope they stay that way.

Still, Hi-Rez stated in the patch notes that they intended to keep rock routes in the game, but all of the good ones were pretty much ruined.

how many of these good ones were close to 90 degree turns?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:01 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Plenty of the routes I was using that no longer work were between 45 and 90 degree bounces. Perfectly fine and balanced imo.

I can see how 180 turns should be removed, afaik they were only a problem on Tartarus due to its map design. But why were the fair routes also made useless in the process? It does not make sense to remove a great gameplay element like that. It added so much to the game.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:02 pm

mrboneguy

Joined: Tue May 29, 2012 2:05 pm
Posts: 294

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

The changes seem good to me.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:05 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

mrboneguy wrote:

The changes seem good to me.

Ever used a route that required bouncing?

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:23 pm

Karakara

Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 3:28 pm
Posts: 187

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Nah, dont bring them back. Im glad they are out.

TA has enough bizarre, non-intuitive physics... and flag cappers dont need any more of an advantage than they already have.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:50 pm

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