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MrLordcaptain Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:42 pm Posts: 654	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend More Vehicles Vehicle Loadouts Gravcycle Call-In Yes pls +1 _________________ Remove hitscan from pistols and shotguns
Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:27 pm

demonicmajor Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 7:31 pm Posts: 4	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend I for one would like the Havoc to be put into ascend.
Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:17 pm

Karakara Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 3:28 pm Posts: 187	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend I dont think transports will ever be added. In fact I think the vehicles they have in now are just token vehicles, that are rather gimmicky hold overs from the older Tribes games. The problem with transport vehicles is, who would use them? And why? Neither TA maps, nor core TA ideology supports the use of vehicles really. Sometimes when I begin the game as a heavy, I will rush to my flag stand as quick as I can... but before I can reach it, if I start in one of the more retarded spawn locations (think arx novena, heavy starting on the hillside with the hill BLOCKING your way to base), guess what? Flag is stolen by a cowboy capper before I can even start sliding on the roof, who needs no assistance whatsoever from his/her team to get that flag and return it solo in anywhere from 15 to say, 45 seconds. Those offensive heavies are right behind that PTH too, maybe 7 or 8 seconds behind. The reason for troop transports in prior games was because distance was actually a meaningful dynamic in a map. Take Reversion from T2... from flag stand to flag stand, it was something like 1,734 meters, with some roads but mostly short peaks and hills inbetween. A light with an energy pack would take a couple minutes to hop around and get to the other base solo. A heavy would be hopelessly lost if they tried to walk to the other base; it would take them 6, 7 MINUTES... instead of the 6, 7 seconds that its takes players to get from one base to the other in TA as it stands. Obviously, the Havok was invaluable on large maps like that with almost 2km between flags. Even shorter distances, the Havok was great to have around, and would easily fill with members when you announced "Havok ready", or whatever it was. Im afraid that to justify troop transport vehicles, HR would need to drastically alter their vision of what TA should be, and then design new maps around that new vision... which I think would be great. But Im not holding out for it. Vehicles are an after thought in TA, at best.
Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:40 pm

Horridius Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:30 pm Posts: 745	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend Karakara wrote: Speaking of vehicles... why is there no first person POV except for the tank chain gunner seat? Ive always preferred 1st person myself. Feels more immersive. Not only immersive but it would be much better. I have had many occasions where the shrike was just plain in my view or that in the heat of the battle I hit an object that I didn't saw because of the shrike being in front of it.
Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:48 am

FelixTG Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:11 am Posts: 2245	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend Karakara wrote: I dont think transports will ever be added. In fact I think the vehicles they have in now are just token vehicles, that are rather gimmicky hold overs from the older Tribes games. HR did state last year that they wouldn't be adding more vehicles until the current ones were fixed and balanced out. Since they haven't seriously pursued this in the last 6 months, its probably a safe bet to say you won't be seeing new ones this year. _________________ Youtube -- Beowulf Feedback Thread L.L. wrote: A generation which ignores history has no past - and no future.
Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:55 pm

demonicmajor Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 7:31 pm Posts: 4	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend personally i would love to have it back because it sucks when you get a shrike and some doom bringer is camping with a saber launcher and you can't do anything about the missiles.
Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:23 pm

Kilsalt Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:03 am Posts: 83	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend raqyee wrote: Why does people keep comparing this game to a 10 years old prequel. Just because it has "Tribes" in the title, it doesn't mean they should be the same. Because I had good cupcake 10 years ago, you claim I'm not allowed to compare it to cupcakes of today? That the cupcake I order today can have turd in it instead of sugar frosting and I'm not allowed to complain to manager because last one I had was 10 years ago and "things have changed"? Just because something happened so long ago that some people couldnt even read yet doesnt mean there wasnt good ideas in it. It's those ideas that are the point of most "ahh the good old times" thinking, not the actual reality. Few people remember how much random crashes for no apparent reason T1/T2 used to have, yet since beta I've only managed to flip T:A max 10 times. However just because some things are better doesnt justify worsening some other things, when good ideas how to solve those things exist.
Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:49 pm

mecai Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:48 pm Posts: 71 Location: Somewhere. Sometime. In something.	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend Instead of the havoc from T2, it might be better to have a 3-4 (possibly 2-3 depending on balance/ team size concerns) person aerial craft. Similar to the shrike, but with an expensive credit cost (Idk.. 7000-8000+) and more health. Let's say 5000, and with a much slower jet speed & boost. This vehicle would be available to heavies (possibly piloted exclusively by heavies) and would work similar to a floating grave bike (pilot incapable of attacking, but passengers are free to attack). This is an idea that I think would work in terms of a transport vehicle. But as others have said, the t2 havoc vehicle won't work since the maps are way too small, and to incorporate big enough maps to justify a t2 havoc vehicle would be against the direction this game has been/is heading.
Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:52 am

gloowa Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:58 pm Posts: 471	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend raqyee wrote: Why does people keep comparing this game to a 10 years old prequel. Just because it has "Tribes" in the title, it doesn't mean they should be the same. Why every time someone says they liked something that was part if prequel, you immediately assume they want 1:1 clone of S:T / T2 / T:V? Man has a point - troop transporter would be fun! _________________
Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:31 am

Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1727 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend You don't really need a Havoc to bombard the enemy base. Just have two jugs and a TCN climb onto your shrike and wreak havoc(huehuehuehue). The TCN can shoot down sabres and repair the shrike from auto fire. _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage
Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:24 am

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MrLordcaptain

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Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

More Vehicles

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Gravcycle Call-In

Yes pls +1

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Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:27 pm

demonicmajor

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I for one would like the Havoc to be put into ascend.

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:17 pm

Karakara

Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 3:28 pm
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I dont think transports will ever be added. In fact I think the vehicles they have in now are just token vehicles, that are rather gimmicky hold overs from the older Tribes games.

The problem with transport vehicles is, who would use them? And why?

Neither TA maps, nor core TA ideology supports the use of vehicles really. Sometimes when I begin the game as a heavy, I will rush to my flag stand as quick as I can... but before I can reach it, if I start in one of the more retarded spawn locations (think arx novena, heavy starting on the hillside with the hill BLOCKING your way to base), guess what? Flag is stolen by a cowboy capper before I can even start sliding on the roof, who needs no assistance whatsoever from his/her team to get that flag and return it solo in anywhere from 15 to say, 45 seconds.

Those offensive heavies are right behind that PTH too, maybe 7 or 8 seconds behind.

The reason for troop transports in prior games was because distance was actually a meaningful dynamic in a map. Take Reversion from T2... from flag stand to flag stand, it was something like 1,734 meters, with some roads but mostly short peaks and hills inbetween. A light with an energy pack would take a couple minutes to hop around and get to the other base solo. A heavy would be hopelessly lost if they tried to walk to the other base; it would take them 6, 7 MINUTES... instead of the 6, 7 seconds that its takes players to get from one base to the other in TA as it stands.

Obviously, the Havok was invaluable on large maps like that with almost 2km between flags. Even shorter distances, the Havok was great to have around, and would easily fill with members when you announced "Havok ready", or whatever it was.

Im afraid that to justify troop transport vehicles, HR would need to drastically alter their vision of what TA should be, and then design new maps around that new vision... which I think would be great. But Im not holding out for it. Vehicles are an after thought in TA, at best.

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:40 pm

Horridius

Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:30 pm
Posts: 745

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

Karakara wrote:

Speaking of vehicles... why is there no first person POV except for the tank chain gunner seat?

Ive always preferred 1st person myself. Feels more immersive.

Not only immersive but it would be much better. I have had many occasions where the shrike was just plain in my view or that in the heat of the battle I hit an object that I didn't saw because of the shrike being in front of it.

Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:48 am

FelixTG

Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:11 am
Posts: 2245

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

Karakara wrote:

I dont think transports will ever be added. In fact I think the vehicles they have in now are just token vehicles, that are rather gimmicky hold overs from the older Tribes games.

HR did state last year that they wouldn't be adding more vehicles until the current ones were fixed and balanced out.

Since they haven't seriously pursued this in the last 6 months, its probably a safe bet to say you won't be seeing new ones this year.

_________________
Youtube -- Beowulf Feedback Thread

L.L. wrote:

A generation which ignores history has no past - and no future.

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:55 pm

demonicmajor

Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 7:31 pm
Posts: 4

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

personally i would love to have it back because it sucks when you get a shrike and some
doom bringer is camping with a saber launcher and you can't do anything about the missiles.

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:23 pm

Kilsalt

Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:03 am
Posts: 83

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

raqyee wrote:

Why does people keep comparing this game to a 10 years old prequel. Just because it has "Tribes" in the title, it doesn't mean they should be the same.

Because I had good cupcake 10 years ago, you claim I'm not allowed to compare it to cupcakes of today? That the cupcake I order today can have turd in it instead of sugar frosting and I'm not allowed to complain to manager because last one I had was 10 years ago and "things have changed"?

Just because something happened so long ago that some people couldnt even read yet doesnt mean there wasnt good ideas in it. It's those ideas that are the point of most "ahh the good old times" thinking, not the actual reality. Few people remember how much random crashes for no apparent reason T1/T2 used to have, yet since beta I've only managed to flip T:A max 10 times. However just because some things are better doesnt justify worsening some other things, when good ideas how to solve those things exist.

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:49 pm

mecai

Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:48 pm
Posts: 71
Location: Somewhere. Sometime. In something.

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

Instead of the havoc from T2, it might be better to have a 3-4 (possibly 2-3 depending on balance/ team size concerns) person aerial craft. Similar to the shrike, but with an expensive credit cost (Idk.. 7000-8000+) and more health. Let's say 5000, and with a much slower jet speed & boost. This vehicle would be available to heavies (possibly piloted exclusively by heavies) and would work similar to a floating grave bike (pilot incapable of attacking, but passengers are free to attack). This is an idea that I think would work in terms of a transport vehicle. But as others have said, the t2 havoc vehicle won't work since the maps are way too small, and to incorporate big enough maps to justify a t2 havoc vehicle would be against the direction this game has been/is heading.

Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:52 am

gloowa

Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:58 pm
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Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

raqyee wrote:

Why does people keep comparing this game to a 10 years old prequel. Just because it has "Tribes" in the title, it doesn't mean they should be the same.

Why every time someone says they liked something that was part if prequel, you immediately assume they want 1:1 clone of S:T / T2 / T:V? Man has a point - troop transporter would be fun!

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Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:31 am

Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1727
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Vehicles and Tribes Acsend

You don't really need a Havoc to bombard the enemy base.

Just have two jugs and a TCN climb onto your shrike and wreak havoc(huehuehuehue). The TCN can shoot down sabres and repair the shrike from auto fire.

_________________

A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:24 am

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