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Fumigator Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:56 pm Posts: 472	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez I figured you were busy enough without having to help salvage this guy's machine after he fried it. _________________
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Sottilde Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:28 pm Posts: 159	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez Limyc wrote: solidfake wrote: I have a gaming notebook with a i7 quad core with 1.7 Ghz, 4 Gig Ram and a Geforce Gts 250M with 512 mb plus 512 additional vram. Your laptop's specs are not very good, tbh. Your processor speed is quite slow for UE3 and a GTS 250m is not that great either. I agree that T:A could still use some optimization, but I highly doubt you will get more than 20-25 fps with your current system. All I can recommend is that you OC your processor as much as possible, but realize that this will void your warranty. Are you kidding? A 1.7ghz quad core i7 with a discrete 250M is a pretty great setup for a laptop. Sure, it is nothing compared to the average gaming desktop, but it's pretty high-end for a portable. That setup can do about 25fps on high settings on Crysis, and obviously he posted about how it runs in Skyrim. It is quite clear that there is some issue in this game that causes it to run extremely poorly on some setups, but well on others. I have heard stories of people with far lower specs who run it just fine. 15 fps on ultra-low is not acceptable. I would hope that a dev will contact OP for more details but I doubt they are that interested in fixing their game.
Thu May 31, 2012 10:43 am

nasheruk Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:25 am Posts: 91	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez The graphics card is most likely the bottleneck. The 250gtx is very old now and even the top model, non-mobile one is considered slow. I have a 460gtx in my desktop and that's already about 2 years old. You will never get the same performance form a laptop as a desktop because of heat limitations. yea you might be able to run crysis, but crysis is quite old now. Also T:A is using much higher resolution textures from what I can tell.
Thu May 31, 2012 12:10 pm

Limyc Community Agent Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:04 pm Posts: 4013 Steam Gamer Name: [DG] Limyc	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez Sottilde wrote: Limyc wrote: solidfake wrote: I have a gaming notebook with a i7 quad core with 1.7 Ghz, 4 Gig Ram and a Geforce Gts 250M with 512 mb plus 512 additional vram. Your laptop's specs are not very good, tbh. Your processor speed is quite slow for UE3 and a GTS 250m is not that great either. I agree that T:A could still use some optimization, but I highly doubt you will get more than 20-25 fps with your current system. All I can recommend is that you OC your processor as much as possible, but realize that this will void your warranty. Are you kidding? A 1.7ghz quad core i7 with a discrete 250M is a pretty great setup for a laptop. Sure, it is nothing compared to the average gaming desktop, but it's pretty high-end for a portable. That setup can do about 25fps on high settings on Crysis, and obviously he posted about how it runs in Skyrim. Skyrim and Crysis run on two different engines (Creation Engine and CryEngine 2 respectively); you cannot compare performance in games with different engines. Unreal Engine 3 is very CPU intensive, which, combined with his graphics card and inherent cooling issues, is probably why he is getting terrible FPS. No matter if these specs are for a laptop or a desktop, there is very little chance you will get a constant 30+ fps out of the machine. _________________ READ THIS PLEASE The Report System explained Try CAT the problem solver I am a community volunteer. I am not a Hi-Rez employee. Views expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Hi-Rez Studios or its affiliates.
Thu May 31, 2012 12:30 pm

vxsw Joined: Mon May 28, 2012 5:31 am Posts: 87	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez Sottilde wrote: ...I have heard stories of people with far lower specs who run it just fine. 15 fps on ultra-low is not acceptable... I don't think, what ue3 is completely depends on cpu frequency only. also (as I said) video card is integrated. your notebook must be enough for 30-50fps on low level settings (at least in comparison of mine).
Thu May 31, 2012 2:41 pm

solidfake Joined: Sun May 16, 2010 8:33 am Posts: 4	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez Limyc wrote: Your laptop's specs are not very good, tbh. Your processor speed is quite slow for UE3 and a GTS 250m is not that great either. I agree that T:A could still use some optimization, but I highly doubt you will get more than 20-25 fps with your current system. All I can recommend is that you OC your processor as much as possible, but realize that this will void your warranty. It is a one year old gaming notebook, it is a very powerful notebook, and I can play dozens of games that look way better than Tribes:Ascend on it. My Processor is what please? It is a quadcore, you know that you can't compare the frequency of a quadcore to e.g. a singlecore, do you. The processor is extremely powerful, the graphic card is mediocre. Still, the main point is that I can't play this game at all, not even on the smalles graphic settings. The reason for this is not because my notebook is too weak, the reason is simply because HiRez spent nothing on optimizing that game for a variety of different hardware configurations. Otherwise I would get more fps on the lowest settings. And I definitely won't OC my processor only because HiRez thinks they don't need to optimize their games. nasheruk wrote: The graphics card is most likely the bottleneck. The 250gtx is very old now and even the top model, non-mobile one is considered slow. I have a 460gtx in my desktop and that's already about 2 years old. You will never get the same performance form a laptop as a desktop because of heat limitations. yea you might be able to run crysis, but crysis is quite old now. Also T:A is using much higher resolution textures from what I can tell. You can't compare the 250Gtx to the 250gtxM, the non-mobile one is very old, but the mobile one not even a year old and was created to run current high performance games like Crysis2, Skyrim, etc.. It is not the best mobile graphic card out there, but it is one of the best. As already said, I use already a custom ini where my textures look like minecraft, so I doubt this is the problem. Limyc wrote: Skyrim and Crysis run on two different engines (Creation Engine and CryEngine 2 respectively); you cannot compare performance in games with different engines. Unreal Engine 3 is very CPU intensive, which, combined with his graphics card and inherent cooling issues, is probably why he is getting terrible FPS. No matter if these specs are for a laptop or a desktop, there is very little chance you will get a constant 30+ fps out of the machine. I know that, but last time I remember I could play UE3 on High without any fps drops. (I could install it and test) It is just that I can play nearly every current game for pc without any problems, and then I get barely 10 fps at lowest settings with Tribes. What is this? This is just bad work from HiRez, if they are not able to adjust their games performance to a variety of hardware configurations, they won't see any coin from me. SxxyKate wrote: why do people keep using skyrim as a benchmark? lol ur laptop sounds old and outdated. u should consider getting a new one. Herpaderp, why use people ever game xy as benchmark? They use it so you can get a clue about what their pc is able to do. I could have also said Crysis, which I also run on Ultra, or FarCry, or Starcraft2 or... The notebook is one year old, if it would be old and outdated tell me how would I be able to play said games without any problems. I can understand that my notebook won't be able to run Tribes: Ascend on highest graphic settings and highest resolution, but when I can't even run it on absolutely lowest graphic settings and low resolution while I play dozens of other games without any problems, then there can be only one valid conclusion: HiRez dun goofed at optimizing their game. And as long as they take their playerbase as given and ignore such major problems with their game, they won't see any coin out of my pockets.
Thu May 31, 2012 3:23 pm

Limyc Community Agent Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:04 pm Posts: 4013 Steam Gamer Name: [DG] Limyc	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez solidfake wrote: It is a one year old gaming notebook Is that when it was released or when you bought it? Model number please. solidfake wrote: it is a very powerful notebook I would debate that heavily. solidfake wrote: It is a quadcore, you know that you can't compare the frequency of a quadcore to e.g. a singlecore, do you. I never compared the two. I only said that your processor speed is slow. solidfake wrote: The processor is extremely powerful, the graphic card is mediocre. No; yes. solidfake wrote: but the mobile one not even a year old and was created to run current high performance games like Crysis2, Skyrim, etc.. Incorrect, the GTS 250m was released around 2009. So, in the tech world, it is very old. solidfake wrote: It is not the best mobile graphic card out there, but it is one of the best. I'm sorry, but it is not. It is even archived in the mobile GPU chart. If you had at least a 500-series card, I would agree. solidfake wrote: I know that, but last time I remember I could play UE3 on High without any fps drops. (I could install it and test) Playing on "High" does not mean anything. What settings does "High" enable? How graphically intensive was this UE3 game? You'd need to post benchmarks, but I'm not sure it's even worth the effort for this discussion. solidfake wrote: Herpaderp, why use people ever game xy as benchmark? They use it so you can get a clue about what their pc is able to do. I could have also said Crysis, which I also run on Ultra, or FarCry, or Starcraft2 or... The notebook is one year old, if it would be old and outdated tell me how would I be able to play said games without any problems. Running a games without any problems is a subjective statement. For me, anything below 50fps is terrible, but for you, maybe 30fps is plenty. Also, all of the games you listed are at least 4 years old (except for SC2 which is 2 years old). And like I said, you can't compare two games that run on different engines. I am sorry that your machine cannot handle this game very well, but it is not entirely HiRez's fault. Like I said, the game could still use some optimization, but that will only improve your performance by so much. _________________ READ THIS PLEASE The Report System explained Try CAT the problem solver I am a community volunteer. I am not a Hi-Rez employee. Views expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Hi-Rez Studios or its affiliates.
Thu May 31, 2012 4:32 pm

Sottilde Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:28 pm Posts: 159	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez Limyc, WTF? There were so many downright incorrect things you just said in that post... where do I even start? UE3 games run on that kind of laptop without a problem. Sure not high @ 60fps, but certainly better than ultra-low @ 5-15fps. There is an incredible gulf between those two numbers. I can't believe that you think you can explain that away by calling a 1.7ghz i7 "slow" (hint: it's not, that processor turbos to high heaven), and that the 250M is not a 5-series card (my god, what did people game on before this year?) If you took the time to look at that page you would see that the 250M is about 10-15% slower than the 550M. It certainly can handle T:A. I don't think "Community Manager" means you have to make excuses for HR. Solidfake: Sorry it's not working out. I would try a reinstall of both your gfx drivers and T:A. From there... not sure where else to go. Could you post your INI?
Thu May 31, 2012 5:14 pm

Fumigator Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:56 pm Posts: 472	Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez I don't see anything wrong with Limyc's post. The GTS 250M is a very weak graphics card. It scores 661: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video ... e+GTS+250M. Having said that, what this game really likes is clock speed above all else. Intel cpu's scale much better, but still, 1.7GHz... even though it's a quad... just isn't sufficient. http://www.techspot.com/review/522-trib ... page5.html So when you combine low clock speed with a weak gpu, you're not going to get very good performance. A Radeon HD 5670, which scores 1,235, combined with a 3.9GHz 2600k is only putting out 19fps @ 1650: http://www.techspot.com/review/522-trib ... page2.html Is the game poorly optimized? For sure; it's bad. However, short of new hardware or Hi-Rez optimizing the game, I don't see how re-installing is going to change anything? Continuing to tweak your .ini is about the only thing you can do. It'll look like crap, but maybe you can get more fps? _________________
Thu May 31, 2012 5:41 pm

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Fumigator

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

I figured you were busy enough without having to help salvage this guy's machine after he fried it.

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Op should just get a real desktop.

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Thu May 31, 2012 5:49 am

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Limyc wrote:

solidfake wrote:

I have a gaming notebook with a i7 quad core with 1.7 Ghz, 4 Gig Ram and a Geforce Gts 250M with 512 mb plus 512 additional vram.

Your laptop's specs are not very good, tbh. Your processor speed is quite slow for UE3 and a GTS 250m is not that great either. I agree that T:A could still use some optimization, but I highly doubt you will get more than 20-25 fps with your current system.

All I can recommend is that you OC your processor as much as possible, but realize that this will void your warranty.

Are you kidding? A 1.7ghz quad core i7 with a discrete 250M is a pretty great setup for a laptop. Sure, it is nothing compared to the average gaming desktop, but it's pretty high-end for a portable. That setup can do about 25fps on high settings on Crysis, and obviously he posted about how it runs in Skyrim.

It is quite clear that there is some issue in this game that causes it to run extremely poorly on some setups, but well on others. I have heard stories of people with far lower specs who run it just fine. 15 fps on ultra-low is not acceptable. I would hope that a dev will contact OP for more details but I doubt they are that interested in fixing their game.

Thu May 31, 2012 10:43 am

nasheruk

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

The graphics card is most likely the bottleneck. The 250gtx is very old now and even the top model, non-mobile one is considered slow. I have a 460gtx in my desktop and that's already about 2 years old.

You will never get the same performance form a laptop as a desktop because of heat limitations. yea you might be able to run crysis, but crysis is quite old now. Also T:A is using much higher resolution textures from what I can tell.

Thu May 31, 2012 12:10 pm

Limyc

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Sottilde wrote:

Limyc wrote:

solidfake wrote:

I have a gaming notebook with a i7 quad core with 1.7 Ghz, 4 Gig Ram and a Geforce Gts 250M with 512 mb plus 512 additional vram.

Skyrim and Crysis run on two different engines (Creation Engine and CryEngine 2 respectively); you cannot compare performance in games with different engines. Unreal Engine 3 is very CPU intensive, which, combined with his graphics card and inherent cooling issues, is probably why he is getting terrible FPS. No matter if these specs are for a laptop or a desktop, there is very little chance you will get a constant 30+ fps out of the machine.

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Thu May 31, 2012 12:30 pm

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Sottilde wrote:

...I have heard stories of people with far lower specs who run it just fine. 15 fps on ultra-low is not acceptable...

I don't think, what ue3 is completely depends on cpu frequency only. also (as I said) video card is integrated. your notebook must be enough for 30-50fps on low level settings (at least in comparison of mine).

Thu May 31, 2012 2:41 pm

solidfake

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Limyc wrote:

It is a one year old gaming notebook, it is a very powerful notebook, and I can play dozens of games that look way better than Tribes:Ascend on it.
My Processor is what please? It is a quadcore, you know that you can't compare the frequency of a quadcore to e.g. a singlecore, do you. The processor is extremely powerful, the graphic card is mediocre.

Still, the main point is that I can't play this game at all, not even on the smalles graphic settings. The reason for this is not because my notebook is too weak, the reason is simply because HiRez spent nothing on optimizing that game for a variety of different hardware configurations. Otherwise I would get more fps on the lowest settings.

And I definitely won't OC my processor only because HiRez thinks they don't need to optimize their games.

nasheruk wrote:

You can't compare the 250Gtx to the 250gtxM, the non-mobile one is very old, but the mobile one not even a year old and was created to run current high performance games like Crysis2, Skyrim, etc.. It is not the best mobile graphic card out there, but it is one of the best.

As already said, I use already a custom ini where my textures look like minecraft, so I doubt this is the problem.

Limyc wrote:

I know that, but last time I remember I could play UE3 on High without any fps drops. (I could install it and test)
It is just that I can play nearly every current game for pc without any problems, and then I get barely 10 fps at lowest settings with Tribes.
What is this? This is just bad work from HiRez, if they are not able to adjust their games performance to a variety of hardware configurations, they won't see any coin from me.

SxxyKate wrote:

why do people keep using skyrim as a benchmark?

lol

ur laptop sounds old and outdated. u should consider getting a new one.

Herpaderp, why use people ever game xy as benchmark? They use it so you can get a clue about what their pc is able to do. I could have also said Crysis, which I also run on Ultra, or FarCry, or Starcraft2 or...
The notebook is one year old, if it would be old and outdated tell me how would I be able to play said games without any problems.

I can understand that my notebook won't be able to run Tribes: Ascend on highest graphic settings and highest resolution, but when I can't even run it on absolutely lowest graphic settings and low resolution while I play dozens of other games without any problems, then there can be only one valid conclusion:
HiRez dun goofed at optimizing their game.
And as long as they take their playerbase as given and ignore such major problems with their game, they won't see any coin out of my pockets.

Thu May 31, 2012 3:23 pm

Limyc

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

solidfake wrote:

It is a one year old gaming notebook

Is that when it was released or when you bought it? Model number please.

solidfake wrote:

it is a very powerful notebook

I would debate that heavily.

solidfake wrote:

It is a quadcore, you know that you can't compare the frequency of a quadcore to e.g. a singlecore, do you.

I never compared the two. I only said that your processor speed is slow.

solidfake wrote:

The processor is extremely powerful, the graphic card is mediocre.

No; yes.

solidfake wrote:

but the mobile one not even a year old and was created to run current high performance games like Crysis2, Skyrim, etc..

Incorrect, the GTS 250m was released around 2009. So, in the tech world, it is very old.

solidfake wrote:

It is not the best mobile graphic card out there, but it is one of the best.

I'm sorry, but it is not. It is even archived in the mobile GPU chart. If you had at least a 500-series card, I would agree.

solidfake wrote:

I know that, but last time I remember I could play UE3 on High without any fps drops. (I could install it and test)

Playing on "High" does not mean anything. What settings does "High" enable? How graphically intensive was this UE3 game? You'd need to post benchmarks, but I'm not sure it's even worth the effort for this discussion.

solidfake wrote:

Running a games without any problems is a subjective statement. For me, anything below 50fps is terrible, but for you, maybe 30fps is plenty. Also, all of the games you listed are at least 4 years old (except for SC2 which is 2 years old). And like I said, you can't compare two games that run on different engines.

I am sorry that your machine cannot handle this game very well, but it is not entirely HiRez's fault. Like I said, the game could still use some optimization, but that will only improve your performance by so much.

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Thu May 31, 2012 4:32 pm

Sottilde

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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

Limyc, WTF?

There were so many downright incorrect things you just said in that post... where do I even start?
UE3 games run on that kind of laptop without a problem. Sure not high @ 60fps, but certainly better than ultra-low @ 5-15fps. There is an incredible gulf between those two numbers. I can't believe that you think you can explain that away by calling a 1.7ghz i7 "slow" (hint: it's not, that processor turbos to high heaven), and that the 250M is not a 5-series card (my god, what did people game on before this year?)

If you took the time to look at that page you would see that the 250M is about 10-15% slower than the 550M. It certainly can handle T:A.

I don't think "Community Manager" means you have to make excuses for HR.

Solidfake: Sorry it's not working out. I would try a reinstall of both your gfx drivers and T:A. From there... not sure where else to go. Could you post your INI?

Thu May 31, 2012 5:14 pm

Fumigator

Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:56 pm
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Re: Fix your games performance, HiRez

I don't see anything wrong with Limyc's post. The GTS 250M is a very weak graphics card. It scores 661: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video ... e+GTS+250M.

Having said that, what this game really likes is clock speed above all else. Intel cpu's scale much better, but still, 1.7GHz... even though it's a quad... just isn't sufficient. http://www.techspot.com/review/522-trib ... page5.html

So when you combine low clock speed with a weak gpu, you're not going to get very good performance. A Radeon HD 5670, which scores 1,235, combined with a 3.9GHz 2600k is only putting out 19fps @ 1650: http://www.techspot.com/review/522-trib ... page2.html

Is the game poorly optimized? For sure; it's bad. However, short of new hardware or Hi-Rez optimizing the game, I don't see how re-installing is going to change anything? Continuing to tweak your .ini is about the only thing you can do. It'll look like crap, but maybe you can get more fps?

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