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mousedisc Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am Posts: 531	SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. A lot of people pub the core gametypes Arena, TDM, C&H, and CTF but there is a vocal community of people who want variations of these as alternatives. I myself have promoted the idea of an LT like gametype for Ascend. Solution: Instead of adding core gametypes, subdivide the gametypes with popular variations so it looks like this instead Arena Base Classic CTF Base LT TDM Base No Flag C&H Base In this additional menu level, you can choose from base arena or go to classic arena which would be the three classic system described here: viewtopic.php?f=313&t=71649 LT would be the gametype described here, my version of LT tailored to Ascend: viewtopic.php?f=313&t=69441&p=874997 I don't know many TDM variations that people want, since most TDM pubbers seem to have a great time (unlike other pub communities), but occasionally someone gripes about there being a flag at all. Since I'm not a C&H player I don't know what they would want, but I'm sure they have something they would request. Basically this interface addition would allow Hirez to explore insteresting new variations (or old loved variations) on the core gametypes present without muddying up the core game types, and be intuitive to the new users as well. Win/win! _________________ ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS
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mousedisc Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am Posts: 531	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. Another CTF subdivision might be "Large". Maps designed for many players with heavily fortified bases. The broadsides/scarabraes of T:A which people are asking for when they say "enough with the cowboy paths". Obviously the names are something else, but subdivisions really help get people in the exact type of pub they want, not just hope that people are playing in the style they like. _________________ ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS
Wed May 16, 2012 12:19 pm

WitchDoctorVega Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am Posts: 2482 Location: On the coast, NH Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. i like it _________________ CYBRIDS 4 LYF! Metagens 4 ever!
Wed May 16, 2012 12:38 pm

mousedisc Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am Posts: 531	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. WitchDoctorVega wrote: i like it Nice, thanks! Means a lot from someone who is on here a lot contributing to ideas. _________________ ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS
Wed May 16, 2012 12:54 pm

desolatedlunatic Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:49 pm Posts: 509	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. This is one of many things we need in TA but if rabbit didn't make it to official que, I think this have very small chance. _________________ cyber-raptor67 wrote: but because of the fact that you instanly fire when you first press you left mouse click you just need the "reload time" to kill
Wed May 16, 2012 1:01 pm

DemoEvolved Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am Posts: 2031	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode. Merit of the new modes aside, HR must be extremely careful in carving off playerbase from the default play modes. Players may wind up needing additional information such if there are sufficient players for the selected mode in a nearby server, in case a player chooses a mode that has few players. It is generally better to funnel players into a large general gamemode, even if that gamemode cycles between maps.
Wed May 16, 2012 1:13 pm

mousedisc Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am Posts: 531	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. They could post runtime estimates of popularity currently by each gametype. This would show players where everyone else is, without having to give up the actual, live, numbers. If someone doesn't get placed in a match because no one else is playing, they could simply jump into another popular gametype/variant. Since everyone is navigating the same menu, its not such a threat to community splitting. Also, they could start small, for example with TDM no-flag, to see how it affects a gametype they apparently don't care much about and dont want you to play, lol. I only say that because TDM gets no new maps, and players get very low XP compared to CTF. _________________ ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS
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SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. DemoEvolved wrote: In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode. ^^^ Would also increase queue times for public games, not a good idea. Different "style" modes would be nice, but not conducive to a queue system like we have. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Wed May 16, 2012 3:00 pm

raqyee Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:52 am Posts: 1914	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. SkepticTA wrote: DemoEvolved wrote: In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode. ^^^ Would also increase queue times for public games, not a good idea. Different "style" modes would be nice, but not conducive to a queue system like we have. This. Playerbase is still not big enough for that to work. _________________ Feel free to add me on steam \| Member of conclave.cc
Wed May 16, 2012 3:13 pm

AdiJager Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:23 am Posts: 245	Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers. desolatedlunatic wrote: This is one of many things we need in TA but if rabbit didn't make it to official que, I think this have very small chance. _________________ Sorry for my sucky english My Pf fragmovie (Bolt launcher <3) Fav, most played classes: Pth, Doombringer, Soldier Fav weapon: Bolt Launcher
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mousedisc

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am
Posts: 531

SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

A lot of people pub the core gametypes Arena, TDM, C&H, and CTF but there is a vocal community of people who want variations of these as alternatives. I myself have promoted the idea of an LT like gametype for Ascend.

Solution:
Instead of adding core gametypes, subdivide the gametypes with popular variations so it looks like this instead

Arena

Base
Classic

CTF

Base
LT

TDM

Base
No Flag

C&H

Base

In this additional menu level, you can choose from base arena or go to classic arena which would be the three classic system described here: viewtopic.php?f=313&t=71649

LT would be the gametype described here, my version of LT tailored to Ascend:
viewtopic.php?f=313&t=69441&p=874997

I don't know many TDM variations that people want, since most TDM pubbers seem to have a great time (unlike other pub communities), but occasionally someone gripes about there being a flag at all. Since I'm not a C&H player I don't know what they would want, but I'm sure they have something they would request.

Basically this interface addition would allow Hirez to explore insteresting new variations (or old loved variations) on the core gametypes present without muddying up the core game types, and be intuitive to the new users as well.

Win/win!

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Wed May 16, 2012 12:02 pm

mousedisc

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am
Posts: 531

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

Another CTF subdivision might be "Large". Maps designed for many players with heavily fortified bases. The broadsides/scarabraes of T:A which people are asking for when they say "enough with the cowboy paths".

Obviously the names are something else, but subdivisions really help get people in the exact type of pub they want, not just hope that people are playing in the style they like.

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RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS

Wed May 16, 2012 12:19 pm

WitchDoctorVega

Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am
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Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

i like it

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Wed May 16, 2012 12:38 pm

mousedisc

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am
Posts: 531

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

WitchDoctorVega wrote:

i like it

Nice, thanks! Means a lot from someone who is on here a lot contributing to ideas.

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Wed May 16, 2012 12:54 pm

desolatedlunatic

Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:49 pm
Posts: 509

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

This is one of many things we need in TA but if rabbit didn't make it to official que, I think this have very small chance.

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cyber-raptor67 wrote:

but because of the fact that you instanly fire when you first press you left mouse click you just need the "reload time" to kill

Wed May 16, 2012 1:01 pm

DemoEvolved

Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am
Posts: 2031

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode.

Merit of the new modes aside, HR must be extremely careful in carving off playerbase from the default play modes.

Players may wind up needing additional information such if there are sufficient players for the selected mode in a nearby server, in case a player chooses a mode that has few players.

It is generally better to funnel players into a large general gamemode, even if that gamemode cycles between maps.

Wed May 16, 2012 1:13 pm

mousedisc

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:38 am
Posts: 531

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

They could post runtime estimates of popularity currently by each gametype. This would show players where everyone else is, without having to give up the actual, live, numbers. If someone doesn't get placed in a match because no one else is playing, they could simply jump into another popular gametype/variant.

Since everyone is navigating the same menu, its not such a threat to community splitting.

Also, they could start small, for example with TDM no-flag, to see how it affects a gametype they apparently don't care much about and dont want you to play, lol. I only say that because TDM gets no new maps, and players get very low XP compared to CTF.

_________________
ADD CONFIGURABLE CROSSHAIRS: + * . O
RELEASE MAPPING TOOLS

Wed May 16, 2012 1:45 pm

SkepticTA

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm
Posts: 3062

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

DemoEvolved wrote:

In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode.

^^^

Would also increase queue times for public games, not a good idea. Different "style" modes would be nice, but not conducive to a queue system like we have.

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Wed May 16, 2012 3:00 pm

raqyee

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:52 am
Posts: 1914

Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

SkepticTA wrote:

DemoEvolved wrote:

In one fell swoop you have split nearly in half the playerbase per gamemode.

^^^

Would also increase queue times for public games, not a good idea. Different "style" modes would be nice, but not conducive to a queue system like we have.

This. Playerbase is still not big enough for that to work.

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Wed May 16, 2012 3:13 pm

AdiJager

Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:23 am
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Re: SOLVED. Gameplay variants for public servers.

desolatedlunatic wrote:

This is one of many things we need in TA but if rabbit didn't make it to official que, I think this have very small chance.

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Wed May 16, 2012 3:15 pm

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