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TheEschaton Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm Posts: 2998 Steam Gamer Name: LeadProphet	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Frostiken wrote: Yeah I mentioned that earlier - the Soldier's suckitude is because it combined the previous super-imbalanced Ranger into it, whereas the Pathfinder used to be incredibly suck but they buffed it. TBH the Bolt Launcher was fine, I don't know why they felt the need to make it nearly as powerful as the MSF. If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude. _________________ Carrion (in-game name)
Wed May 16, 2012 1:22 am

supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. TheEschaton wrote: Frostiken wrote: Yeah I mentioned that earlier - the Soldier's suckitude is because it combined the previous super-imbalanced Ranger into it, whereas the Pathfinder used to be incredibly suck but they buffed it. TBH the Bolt Launcher was fine, I don't know why they felt the need to make it nearly as powerful as the MSF. If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude. Well so far the most useless class is brute, followed by soldier. I mean tech has Thumper sparrow. Sparrow has i think 4 more ammo but 10 less damage a hit, thumper has drop off but he does have turrets and grenades which are equal to the Frag XL. So basically if tech drops a turret in a duel with soldier he will most probably win, either soldier kills turret or gets hot by turret, all while tech is shooting at him. Also the tech SMG is much much better than the soldiers. although it leaves him wit ha shotgun vs thumper. _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
Wed May 16, 2012 2:10 am

tonsta Joined: Sat May 12, 2012 2:25 pm Posts: 22	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. I REALLY like the tech. I've played him more than any other class. I'm decent at the smg and I like helping my team by defending. It has allowed me to get better at aiming while either static or with the help of a turret. Pretty fun stuff to repair, upgrade, place turrets and lob grenades at the incoming flag capper. On the way out I use my SMG and I can give chase sometimes. Really fun class to play. I'm thinking of unlocking the doombringer next. I only have the tech unlocked right now.
Wed May 16, 2012 11:20 am

TheEschaton Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm Posts: 2998 Steam Gamer Name: LeadProphet	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. supern00b wrote: TheEschaton wrote: Frostiken wrote: Yeah I mentioned that earlier - the Soldier's suckitude is because it combined the previous super-imbalanced Ranger into it, whereas the Pathfinder used to be incredibly suck but they buffed it. TBH the Bolt Launcher was fine, I don't know why they felt the need to make it nearly as powerful as the MSF. If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude. Well so far the most useless class is brute, followed by soldier. I mean tech has Thumper sparrow. Sparrow has i think 4 more ammo but 10 less damage a hit, thumper has drop off but he does have turrets and grenades which are equal to the Frag XL. So basically if tech drops a turret in a duel with soldier he will most probably win, either soldier kills turret or gets hot by turret, all while tech is shooting at him. Also the tech SMG is much much better than the soldiers. although it leaves him wit ha shotgun vs thumper. I just have to disagree. The turret is a joke - take the fight somewhere else. If he wants to stay near his turret, destroy it with two disks from afar and rejoin the duel. In dueling situations I'm almost never killed by turrets deployed by offensive techs. That leaves the soldier with two much better packs for dueling - he will simply outfly/outdamage the tech. Thumper and Fusor are basically equal for the purposes of dueling, and so are the Sparrow and Eagle. The one remaining problem is that SMG's in this game out-DPS grace weapons, so if you're up against a tech with an SMG then sure, you might get roflstomped if you don't get the first blow in. If you're talking usefulness not in dueling but just in general, I think the Soldier has a spot as a flexible mid-fielder who can chase, cap, and disrupt in a pinch - basically wherever he's needed if he's got his wits about him. He's not perfect for any of those roles, but more often than not his being there in the right place at the right time will tip the scales. Any other class, you'd only be a detriment to your team for trying to do something you're just not cut out to do. _________________ Carrion (in-game name)
Wed May 16, 2012 12:20 pm

tonsta Joined: Sat May 12, 2012 2:25 pm Posts: 22	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Don't get me wrong, I love the soldier. He is my second favorite class, but on defense I prefer the tech. The turrets can be a joke, but if someone backs off I am shooting at them with my smg the entire time. I never use the spinfuser, as I'm horrid with it. I use the AR and thumper as a soldier. I like to pretend I'm running away from a soldier, but in reality I'm running toward my turret while firing at him. In the open field I'd take the soldier, but on defense I think the tech has the edge. He has his turrets, other players, the emplaced turrets, and the ability to run into the gen room for healing. I think it really comes down to situation as one is better at midfield, chasing flags, and disrupting the enemy base, while the other is basically a defensive guy.
Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 pm

Punichan Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 am Posts: 465	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. on one hand, I 'd like to complain how HiRez make it hard to do chase, but making the only chasing effective class unchaseable unless put in TONS of time/some REAL cash to get a chasing efficient LAR... On the other hand, this thread is here for the sake of some SDR love, because REALLY, this IS A PITIFUL CLASS one of the 2 worse treated classes in Tribes:Ascend, Sure, you start with soldier, I understand that other classes are going to be better, because they are "bought"... but BRT? REALLY? the WORSE TREATED CLASS IN THE GAME IS ONE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR? anyhow... back to SDR... Thumper>thumperXD BY FAR! in damage! and what's worse is that you give the better gun to TCH!? joke? then there is the PTH... with the Assault rifle that will put the soldier's rifle to shame... "Light"? it does MORE DAMAGE! how "Light" is it? yeah, I understand the chaser need to take the capper down... but SDR is FRONTAL BATTLE! the ASSAULT CLASS, the MEAT of the battle field! (oh... i see what you did there...) Turning them in to batman does NOT make them "better"... it's a false hope... HiRez need to think a way to make soldier generally a better battle class than a less efficient PTH, or a weaker TCH...
Wed May 16, 2012 12:49 pm

SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Soldier is already a supreme battle class in the right hands, still the champ in TDM. His usefulness in CTF is somewhat lacking though, where people (who have a clue) don't generally hang around and fight. Hopefully he'll get some fun new toys with his class update. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Wed May 16, 2012 2:36 pm

IronKane Beta Tester Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 497	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. tonsta wrote: I like to pretend I'm running away from a soldier, but in reality I'm running toward my turret while firing at him. Most of us are on to that trick. But I'm sure you get plenty of noobs who haven't caught on just yet.
Wed May 16, 2012 2:51 pm

IronKane Beta Tester Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 497	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Punichan wrote: on one hand, I 'd like to complain how HiRez make it hard to do chase, but making the only chasing effective class unchaseable unless put in TONS of time/some REAL cash to get a chasing efficient LAR... On the other hand, this thread is here for the sake of some SDR love, because REALLY, this IS A PITIFUL CLASS one of the 2 worse treated classes in Tribes:Ascend, Sure, you start with soldier, I understand that other classes are going to be better, because they are "bought"... but BRT? REALLY? the WORSE TREATED CLASS IN THE GAME IS ONE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR? anyhow... back to SDR... Thumper>thumperXD BY FAR! in damage! and what's worse is that you give the better gun to TCH!? joke? then there is the PTH... with the Assault rifle that will put the soldier's rifle to shame... "Light"? it does MORE DAMAGE! how "Light" is it? yeah, I understand the chaser need to take the capper down... but SDR is FRONTAL BATTLE! the ASSAULT CLASS, the MEAT of the battle field! (oh... i see what you did there...) Turning them in to batman does NOT make them "better"... it's a false hope... HiRez need to think a way to make soldier generally a better battle class than a less efficient PTH, or a weaker TCH... I play Soldier 93% of the time. And I use Spinfusor/Eagle (have loadouts for the other two configs, but don't really use them yet.) and while I would love to see the Eagle buffed or be given something like the NJ5B or the LAR, I still dominate most everyone with the exception of the very few smg superstars and then it's still a close thing. The Soldier's combination of armor, firepower and manueverability is tough to go up against. I get killed by other soldiers more than anyone else in a stand-up fight. The Eagle is highly underrated and I like it that way. Too many auto users find that out the hard way when they think that they're going to get an easy kill. Give me the Spinfusor and something like the NJ5B and there'll will be howls of "OP!!!" soon after.
Wed May 16, 2012 3:06 pm

Tharnes Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 am Posts: 382	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. IronKane wrote: Punichan wrote: on one hand, I 'd like to complain how HiRez make it hard to do chase, but making the only chasing effective class unchaseable unless put in TONS of time/some REAL cash to get a chasing efficient LAR... On the other hand, this thread is here for the sake of some SDR love, because REALLY, this IS A PITIFUL CLASS one of the 2 worse treated classes in Tribes:Ascend, Sure, you start with soldier, I understand that other classes are going to be better, because they are "bought"... but BRT? REALLY? the WORSE TREATED CLASS IN THE GAME IS ONE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR? anyhow... back to SDR... Thumper>thumperXD BY FAR! in damage! and what's worse is that you give the better gun to TCH!? joke? then there is the PTH... with the Assault rifle that will put the soldier's rifle to shame... "Light"? it does MORE DAMAGE! how "Light" is it? yeah, I understand the chaser need to take the capper down... but SDR is FRONTAL BATTLE! the ASSAULT CLASS, the MEAT of the battle field! (oh... i see what you did there...) Turning them in to batman does NOT make them "better"... it's a false hope... HiRez need to think a way to make soldier generally a better battle class than a less efficient PTH, or a weaker TCH... I play Soldier 93% of the time. And I use Spinfusor/Eagle (have loadouts for the other two configs, but don't really use them yet.) and while I would love to see the Eagle buffed or be given something like the NJ5B or the LAR, I still dominate most everyone with the exception of the very few smg superstars and then it's still a close thing. The Soldier's combination of armor, firepower and manueverability is tough to go up against. I get killed by other soldiers more than anyone else in a stand-up fight. The Eagle is highly underrated and I like it that way. Too many auto users find that out the hard way when they think that they're going to get an easy kill. Give me the Spinfusor and something like the NJ5B and there'll will be howls of "OP!!!" soon after. Handing out a NJ4/NJ5B to every Light/Medium is not the best idea. I'm okay with it if i can wield CG + HBL tho. _________________
Wed May 16, 2012 4:40 pm

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TheEschaton

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Frostiken wrote:

Yeah I mentioned that earlier - the Soldier's suckitude is because it combined the previous super-imbalanced Ranger into it, whereas the Pathfinder used to be incredibly suck but they buffed it.

TBH the Bolt Launcher was fine, I don't know why they felt the need to make it nearly as powerful as the MSF.

If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude.

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Wed May 16, 2012 1:22 am

supern00b

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

TheEschaton wrote:

Frostiken wrote:

If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude.

Well so far the most useless class is brute, followed by soldier.
I mean tech has Thumper sparrow. Sparrow has i think 4 more ammo but 10 less damage a hit, thumper has drop off but he does have turrets and grenades which are equal to the Frag XL. So basically if tech drops a turret in a duel with soldier he will most probably win, either soldier kills turret or gets hot by turret, all while tech is shooting at him.
Also the tech SMG is much much better than the soldiers. although it leaves him wit ha shotgun vs thumper.

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Wed May 16, 2012 2:10 am

tonsta

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

I REALLY like the tech. I've played him more than any other class. I'm decent at the smg and I like helping my team by defending. It has allowed me to get better at aiming while either static or with the help of a turret.

Pretty fun stuff to repair, upgrade, place turrets and lob grenades at the incoming flag capper. On the way out I use my SMG and I can give chase sometimes. Really fun class to play. I'm thinking of unlocking the doombringer next. I only have the tech unlocked right now.

Wed May 16, 2012 11:20 am

TheEschaton

Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm
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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

supern00b wrote:

TheEschaton wrote:

Frostiken wrote:

If you're responding to my post, please reread. I by no means state that the Soldier has even a modicum of suckitude.

I just have to disagree. The turret is a joke - take the fight somewhere else. If he wants to stay near his turret, destroy it with two disks from afar and rejoin the duel. In dueling situations I'm almost never killed by turrets deployed by offensive techs. That leaves the soldier with two much better packs for dueling - he will simply outfly/outdamage the tech. Thumper and Fusor are basically equal for the purposes of dueling, and so are the Sparrow and Eagle.

The one remaining problem is that SMG's in this game out-DPS grace weapons, so if you're up against a tech with an SMG then sure, you might get roflstomped if you don't get the first blow in.

If you're talking usefulness not in dueling but just in general, I think the Soldier has a spot as a flexible mid-fielder who can chase, cap, and disrupt in a pinch - basically wherever he's needed if he's got his wits about him. He's not perfect for any of those roles, but more often than not his being there in the right place at the right time will tip the scales. Any other class, you'd only be a detriment to your team for trying to do something you're just not cut out to do.

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Wed May 16, 2012 12:20 pm

tonsta

Joined: Sat May 12, 2012 2:25 pm
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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Don't get me wrong, I love the soldier. He is my second favorite class, but on defense I prefer the tech. The turrets can be a joke, but if someone backs off I am shooting at them with my smg the entire time. I never use the spinfuser, as I'm horrid with it. I use the AR and thumper as a soldier.

I like to pretend I'm running away from a soldier, but in reality I'm running toward my turret while firing at him. In the open field I'd take the soldier, but on defense I think the tech has the edge. He has his turrets, other players, the emplaced turrets, and the ability to run into the gen room for healing.

I think it really comes down to situation as one is better at midfield, chasing flags, and disrupting the enemy base, while the other is basically a defensive guy.

Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 pm

Punichan

Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 am
Posts: 465

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

on one hand, I 'd like to complain how HiRez make it hard to do chase, but making the only chasing effective class unchaseable unless put in TONS of time/some REAL cash to get a chasing efficient LAR...

On the other hand, this thread is here for the sake of some SDR love, because REALLY, this IS A PITIFUL CLASS one of the 2 worse treated classes in Tribes:Ascend, Sure, you start with soldier, I understand that other classes are going to be better, because they are "bought"... but BRT? REALLY? the WORSE TREATED CLASS IN THE GAME IS ONE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR? anyhow... back to SDR... Thumper>thumperXD BY FAR! in damage! and what's worse is that you give the better gun to TCH!? joke? then there is the PTH... with the Assault rifle that will put the soldier's rifle to shame... "Light"? it does MORE DAMAGE! how "Light" is it? yeah, I understand the chaser need to take the capper down... but SDR is FRONTAL BATTLE! the ASSAULT CLASS, the MEAT of the battle field! (oh... i see what you did there...) Turning them in to batman does NOT make them "better"... it's a false hope...

HiRez need to think a way to make soldier generally a better battle class than a less efficient PTH, or a weaker TCH...

Wed May 16, 2012 12:49 pm

SkepticTA

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Soldier is already a supreme battle class in the right hands, still the champ in TDM. His usefulness in CTF is somewhat lacking though, where people (who have a clue) don't generally hang around and fight.

Hopefully he'll get some fun new toys with his class update.

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Wed May 16, 2012 2:36 pm

IronKane

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

tonsta wrote:

I like to pretend I'm running away from a soldier, but in reality I'm running toward my turret while firing at him.

Most of us are on to that trick.

But I'm sure you get plenty of noobs who haven't caught on just yet.

Wed May 16, 2012 2:51 pm

IronKane

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Punichan wrote:

I play Soldier 93% of the time. And I use Spinfusor/Eagle (have loadouts for the other two configs, but don't really use them yet.) and while I would love to see the Eagle buffed or be given something like the NJ5B or the LAR, I still dominate most everyone with the exception of the very few smg superstars and then it's still a close thing. The Soldier's combination of armor, firepower and manueverability is tough to go up against. I get killed by other soldiers more than anyone else in a stand-up fight. The Eagle is highly underrated and I like it that way. Too many auto users find that out the hard way when they think that they're going to get an easy kill.

Give me the Spinfusor and something like the NJ5B and there'll will be howls of "OP!!!" soon after.

Wed May 16, 2012 3:06 pm

Tharnes

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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

IronKane wrote:

Punichan wrote:

Handing out a NJ4/NJ5B to every Light/Medium is not the best idea. I'm okay with it if i can wield CG + HBL tho.

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Wed May 16, 2012 4:40 pm

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