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Lausk Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:02 pm Posts: 33	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP I've pretty much come to the conclusion that this game shouldn't be called tribes. It's a disgrace on any of its predecessors. They've tossed out all of the stuff we thought was fun about the game and replaced it with tons of bullets, stupid physics, and pointless vehicles (besides shrikes which are flying trolls). I'll try to spread the word to steer clear of this title. Thanks Hi-rez for ruining our hopes.
Mon May 14, 2012 3:16 am

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP nasheruk wrote: Here is an example of the mortars in tribes 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHPhgTsVnM They have a MUCH smaller arc and travel very quick. More like a cannon. This is how they should be :/ That map is f'ing awesome...I've never played it before, but that looks totally fun! _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Mon May 14, 2012 6:43 am

DogmeatX Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 am Posts: 1259	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP ArchangelXv1 wrote: nasheruk wrote: Here is an example of the mortars in tribes 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHPhgTsVnM They have a MUCH smaller arc and travel very quick. More like a cannon. This is how they should be :/ That map is f'ing awesome...I've never played it before, but that looks totally fun! it's CTF Blackhole I think that was Houston Vehicles possibly Miami Vehicles... used to be shedloads of players on those servers (64? I forget.. a lot anyway) Map was actually quite poor, just massive amounts of heavies but the sheer sensation of pandemonium and destruction going on was something to behold. Also about the mortar arc in T2, most of those shots were "low arc" you could actually fire quite high up and still get reasonable range. This is due to the speed/gravity of the shells being different - better in my opinion. I wish Ascend mortars behaved the same way. Even though it was disproved there is a parachute to Ascend mortar, it still feels that way to me but not for the T2 mortar...
Mon May 14, 2012 7:04 am

blecro Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 pm Posts: 192	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Just to be clear, the only differences between the T:A mortar and the T2C mortar are muzzle velocity and gravity. The T:A mortar has 73.78m/s muzzle velocity and 17.36m/s² gravity, while the T2C mortar has 75.95m/s muzzle velocity and 14.795m/s² gravity.
Mon May 14, 2012 8:42 am

PinkLemonade Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:23 am Posts: 102	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Lausk wrote: I've pretty much come to the conclusion that this game shouldn't be called tribes. It's a disgrace on any of its predecessors. They've tossed out all of the stuff we thought was fun about the game and replaced it with tons of bullets, stupid physics, and pointless vehicles (besides shrikes which are flying trolls). I wouldn't go that far. The game has plenty of potential and is fun at times. It has some serious problems in the physics department, hence this and many other threads. Fix the physics and you fix the game, is one of the threads, and I stand behind this claim (mainly because everything else could be disabled in custom servers, as strikes and plasma have been in competition already).
Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 am

RickBloodaxe Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:06 pm Posts: 159	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Lausk wrote: I've pretty much come to the conclusion that this game shouldn't be called tribes. It's a disgrace on any of its predecessors. They've tossed out all of the stuff we thought was fun about the game and replaced it with tons of bullets, stupid physics, and pointless vehicles (besides shrikes which are flying trolls). I'll try to spread the word to steer clear of this title. Thanks Hi-rez for ruining our hopes. lol. whatever makes you feel better.
Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 am

HVFlateric Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:36 am Posts: 734	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP DogmeatX wrote: it's CTF Blackhole I think that was Houston Vehicles possibly Miami Vehicles... used to be shedloads of players on those servers (64? I forget.. a lot anyway) We ran 80 the majority of the time, 64 in the very begining. And 84 towards the latter half of the games peak. Chaos and pure fun. _________________ (Former Admin on Houston Vehicles & Miami Vehicles)
Wed May 16, 2012 3:54 am

Schottingham Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:07 pm Posts: 644	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Just some reminders: - Bullets still have 0 inheritance, requiring ridiculous lead when skiing alongside someone (such as a flag carrier!) - Jetpacks still have a (very poorly implemented) speed cap in the vertical dimension. You can't use it to accelerate faster than 72km/h vertically, and worse, you can't use it to slow a fall of more than 72km/h. In fact, it doesn't even fully cancel gravity, so you still accelerate downward at about 1km/h/s! - Air control still behaves like some sort of bizarre hang glider or airplane. When going over 72km/h, pull back for more height! - The ability to steer while skiing still turns on and off like a switch depending on your speed. Some degree of air control persists at all speeds. When going fast, bunny hop to be able to steer! - Speaking of bunny hopping, jump is still not perpendicular to the terrain, but always upward. Does virtually nothing while skiing up a hill, and completely redirects your velocity if you jump while skiing down a hill. - Certain collisions redirect velocity with no loss of speed or health. See: rock routes on Crossfire. ---- The physics in this game are completely arcane and inconsistent. Why has none of this been addressed? Fix these things, and your newbies will not know the difference, but your better players will thank you profusely. _________________ - Fix Jetpack Physics (video) (video) - Remove regen, bring back health kits - Buff explosive jumping - 100% inheritance for "bullet" weapons (nova blaster included)
Wed May 16, 2012 1:39 pm

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 5046 Location: NA East	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP The leading on bullets isn't that ridiculous. You have tracers to guide. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with 100% across the board, but it not as important as everything else in the OP. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Wed May 16, 2012 4:18 pm

SmoothP Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am Posts: 1590	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP -AEnubis- wrote: The leading on bullets isn't that ridiculous. You have tracers to guide. Until you try true inheritance and realize how much better and more instinctive it is (possibly after an hour of unlearning wacky inheritance). Especially for weapons without a stream of tracers. _________________ Give a man a pistol, and he'll play for a day... Teach a man to disc, and he'll stay devoted forever. Loadouts 2.0 - Directional Jets - True Inheritance - Cosine Splash - Active Regen - Abolish Credits
Wed May 16, 2012 4:29 pm

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Lausk

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:02 pm
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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that this game shouldn't be called tribes. It's a disgrace on any of its predecessors. They've tossed out all of the stuff we thought was fun about the game and replaced it with tons of bullets, stupid physics, and pointless vehicles (besides shrikes which are flying trolls).

I'll try to spread the word to steer clear of this title.

Thanks Hi-rez for ruining our hopes.

Mon May 14, 2012 3:16 am

ArchangelXv1

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm
Posts: 1600
Location: Oahu,Hawaii

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

nasheruk wrote:

Here is an example of the mortars in tribes 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHPhgTsVnM

They have a MUCH smaller arc and travel very quick. More like a cannon. This is how they should be :/

That map is f'ing awesome...I've never played it before, but that looks totally fun!

_________________
Communication is a very worthy thing.

Fool's Epic T1 Movie

Mon May 14, 2012 6:43 am

DogmeatX

Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 am
Posts: 1259

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

ArchangelXv1 wrote:

nasheruk wrote:

Here is an example of the mortars in tribes 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHPhgTsVnM

They have a MUCH smaller arc and travel very quick. More like a cannon. This is how they should be :/

That map is f'ing awesome...I've never played it before, but that looks totally fun!

it's CTF Blackhole I think that was Houston Vehicles possibly Miami Vehicles... used to be shedloads of players on those servers (64? I forget.. a lot anyway)

Map was actually quite poor, just massive amounts of heavies but the sheer sensation of pandemonium and destruction going on was something to behold.

Also about the mortar arc in T2, most of those shots were "low arc" you could actually fire quite high up and still get reasonable range. This is due to the speed/gravity of the shells being different - better in my opinion. I wish Ascend mortars behaved the same way.

Even though it was disproved there is a parachute to Ascend mortar, it still feels that way to me but not for the T2 mortar...

Mon May 14, 2012 7:04 am

blecro

Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 pm
Posts: 192

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Just to be clear, the only differences between the T:A mortar and the T2C mortar are muzzle velocity and gravity. The T:A mortar has 73.78m/s muzzle velocity and 17.36m/s² gravity, while the T2C mortar has 75.95m/s muzzle velocity and 14.795m/s² gravity.

Mon May 14, 2012 8:42 am

PinkLemonade

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:23 am
Posts: 102

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Lausk wrote:

I wouldn't go that far. The game has plenty of potential and is fun at times.
It has some serious problems in the physics department, hence this and many other threads.
Fix the physics and you fix the game, is one of the threads, and I stand behind this claim (mainly because everything else could be disabled in custom servers, as strikes and plasma have been in competition already).

Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 am

RickBloodaxe

Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:06 pm
Posts: 159

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Lausk wrote:

lol. whatever makes you feel better.

Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 am

HVFlateric

Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:36 am
Posts: 734

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

DogmeatX wrote:

it's CTF Blackhole I think that was Houston Vehicles possibly Miami Vehicles... used to be shedloads of players on those servers (64? I forget.. a lot anyway)

We ran 80 the majority of the time, 64 in the very begining. And 84 towards the latter half of the games peak.

Chaos and pure fun.

_________________
(Former Admin on Houston Vehicles & Miami Vehicles)

Wed May 16, 2012 3:54 am

Schottingham

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:07 pm
Posts: 644

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Just some reminders:

- Bullets still have 0 inheritance, requiring ridiculous lead when skiing alongside someone (such as a flag carrier!)

- Jetpacks still have a (very poorly implemented) speed cap in the vertical dimension. You can't use it to accelerate faster than 72km/h vertically, and worse, you can't use it to slow a fall of more than 72km/h. In fact, it doesn't even fully cancel gravity, so you still accelerate downward at about 1km/h/s!

- Air control still behaves like some sort of bizarre hang glider or airplane. When going over 72km/h, pull back for more height!

- The ability to steer while skiing still turns on and off like a switch depending on your speed. Some degree of air control persists at all speeds. When going fast, bunny hop to be able to steer!

- Speaking of bunny hopping, jump is still not perpendicular to the terrain, but always upward. Does virtually nothing while skiing up a hill, and completely redirects your velocity if you jump while skiing down a hill.

- Certain collisions redirect velocity with no loss of speed or health. See: rock routes on Crossfire.

----

The physics in this game are completely arcane and inconsistent. Why has none of this been addressed? Fix these things, and your newbies will not know the difference, but your better players will thank you profusely.

_________________
- Fix Jetpack Physics (video) (video)
- Remove regen, bring back health kits
- Buff explosive jumping
- 100% inheritance for "bullet" weapons (nova blaster included)

Wed May 16, 2012 1:39 pm

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
Posts: 5046
Location: NA East

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

The leading on bullets isn't that ridiculous. You have tracers to guide. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with 100% across the board, but it not as important as everything else in the OP.

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Wed May 16, 2012 4:18 pm

SmoothP

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am
Posts: 1590

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

-AEnubis- wrote:

The leading on bullets isn't that ridiculous. You have tracers to guide.

Until you try true inheritance and realize how much better and more instinctive it is (possibly after an hour of unlearning wacky inheritance). Especially for weapons without a stream of tracers.

_________________
Give a man a pistol, and he'll play for a day... Teach a man to disc, and he'll stay devoted forever.
Loadouts 2.0 - Directional Jets - True Inheritance - Cosine Splash - Active Regen - Abolish Credits

Wed May 16, 2012 4:29 pm

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