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Melchi32 Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm Posts: 133	Joining method (often) ruins team balance I've seen so many games where there was five people in the Blood Eagle team, four in the Diamond Sword team, and twenty three martyring the "Blood Eagle" button to join the already known top 3 of the last game (or even the better ranked ones). Maybe one should do something about that. Something like denying the "score screen" button for any player who's still on the choosing screen. Eventually one should only see in which team his friend(s) are. _________________ Base XP = time played BonusXP = [25%Base XP/rank] + [badges] + [25%Base XP if win] Thus XP is only based on : 1.time played in the match 2.team choosed 3.position achieved in the team Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing. Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens. Last edited by Melchi32 on Fri May 11, 2012 2:35 am, edited 2 times in total.
Fri May 11, 2012 12:02 am

pholtos Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:43 pm Posts: 68	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance +1 To this. To be honest I was playing on a server that was TDM and everyone wanted to join Diamond Sword because Diamond Sword always won.
Fri May 11, 2012 12:38 am

Arcitct Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:13 pm Posts: 9	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Diamond Sword has won an inordinate amount of the time since I began tracking this. Every game has this issue though, in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't. The cause is team stacking based on player bias. The player base of Ascend seems to believe that if they are on DS they will win, so the more experienced players end up there. More specifically because so many people believe this you get groups of friends that fill DS, often times (and in my case as well) they will be on mumble. Teamwork is OP. People don't like auto-assign though because then they don't get to play with their friends.
Fri May 11, 2012 1:02 am

Baneat Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:50 pm Posts: 347	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Arcitct wrote: in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't That's completely untrue. RED wins more on some maps because they are asymmetrical or better to attack than defend on. All it takes to stack a team in this game is a really good HoF and a really good capper, that tips the balance.
Fri May 11, 2012 1:06 am

Melchi32 Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm Posts: 133	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Hey, here's subject is nothing about "Diamond Sword or Blood Eagle who wins most". It's about people waiting to see in which team the previous top 3 or best ranked players will get to spam their team's join button. _________________ Base XP = time played BonusXP = [25%Base XP/rank] + [badges] + [25%Base XP if win] Thus XP is only based on : 1.time played in the match 2.team choosed 3.position achieved in the team Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing. Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens.
Fri May 11, 2012 2:38 am

KnockKnockJoke Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:13 am Posts: 129	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance There have been fixes suggested since beta over and over again. Everyone is annoyed by it. But currently that seems to be the way Hi-Rez want's to roll...
Fri May 11, 2012 3:28 am

illerFFN Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm Posts: 1174	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Arcitct wrote: Teamwork is OP. FGSFDS
Fri May 11, 2012 4:59 am

Antago Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:11 pm Posts: 419	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Arcitct wrote: Diamond Sword has won an inordinate amount of the time since I began tracking this. Every game has this issue though, in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't. The cause is team stacking based on player bias. The player base of Ascend seems to believe that if they are on DS they will win, so the more experienced players end up there. More specifically because so many people believe this you get groups of friends that fill DS, often times (and in my case as well) they will be on mumble. Teamwork is OP. People don't like auto-assign though because then they don't get to play with their friends. Funny. I noticed the exact opposite. I win constantly whenever I join BE, because the teams are often better organized.
Fri May 11, 2012 9:27 am

NotSoCoolJ Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:18 pm Posts: 134	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance Arcitct wrote: Diamond Sword has won an inordinate amount of the time since I began tracking this. Every game has this issue though, in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't. The cause is team stacking based on player bias. The player base of Ascend seems to believe that if they are on DS they will win, so the more experienced players end up there. More specifically because so many people believe this you get groups of friends that fill DS, often times (and in my case as well) they will be on mumble. Teamwork is OP. People don't like auto-assign though because then they don't get to play with their friends. Actually, I am usually forced to DS because people blindly spam BE and I can't join it even if I wanted too. Everyday I get out spammed for BE by LvL5-10ers. They don't realize that they are stacking up the DS. Basically, most vet players don't care what team they are on and all the newbs rush to stack whatever side they think is going to win. That forces the Vets to select whatever is left. The next round they all rush to select DS and then the vets have to join BE. It isn't about what team you join. Even if the newbs want it to be that way. _________________
Fri May 11, 2012 9:48 am

ChaeEatWorld Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:47 pm Posts: 247	Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance So...you want to remove the joining option? Or you just want to make it to where I can't play with my friends? I know how it can be to be on the losing team, trying as hard as you can and not making a difference. But you can't tell people...hey. Come play this game. But, don't plan on playing with your friends, because that would be unfair to everyone else. We should also remove VGS commands, because teams communicating ruins team balance. Okay, so that was slightly troll-ish. But it does make my point pretty spot on, I believe. Team stacking is something that happens in all games. It just does. It's something you can't fix. Because any fix implemented, would ruin the point of a game...which is to, for the most part, have fun. Bring your friends! Or not? Wait, what? I bet that when you're on the winning team, this sort of thing doesn't bother you at all, does it? I've had that feeling too. It's unfair! Oh wait, I'm winning. Fair! _________________ Endless : In all versions of Tribes. Izzywar : In Smite. 'Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.' - Bruce Lee
Fri May 11, 2012 10:51 am

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Melchi32

Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm
Posts: 133

Joining method (often) ruins team balance

I've seen so many games where there was five people in the Blood Eagle team, four in the Diamond Sword team, and twenty three martyring the "Blood Eagle" button to join the already known top 3 of the last game (or even the better ranked ones).
Maybe one should do something about that.

Something like denying the "score screen" button for any player who's still on the choosing screen. Eventually one should only see in which team his friend(s) are.

_________________
Base XP = time played
BonusXP = [25%Base XP/rank] + [badges] + [25%Base XP if win]
Thus XP is only based on :
1.time played in the match
2.team choosed
3.position achieved in the team
Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing.
Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens.

Last edited by Melchi32 on Fri May 11, 2012 2:35 am, edited 2 times in total.

Fri May 11, 2012 12:02 am

pholtos

Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:43 pm
Posts: 68

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

+1 To this.

To be honest I was playing on a server that was TDM and everyone wanted to join Diamond Sword because Diamond Sword always won.

Fri May 11, 2012 12:38 am

Arcitct

Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:13 pm
Posts: 9

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Diamond Sword has won an inordinate amount of the time since I began tracking this. Every game has this issue though, in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't. The cause is team stacking based on player bias. The player base of Ascend seems to believe that if they are on DS they will win, so the more experienced players end up there. More specifically because so many people believe this you get groups of friends that fill DS, often times (and in my case as well) they will be on mumble. Teamwork is OP. People don't like auto-assign though because then they don't get to play with their friends.

Fri May 11, 2012 1:02 am

Baneat

Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:50 pm
Posts: 347

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Arcitct wrote:

in TF2/Halo3 Red wins far more than it doesn't

That's completely untrue. RED wins more on some maps because they are asymmetrical or better to attack than defend on. All it takes to stack a team in this game is a really good HoF and a really good capper, that tips the balance.

Fri May 11, 2012 1:06 am

Melchi32

Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm
Posts: 133

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Hey, here's subject is nothing about "Diamond Sword or Blood Eagle who wins most".
It's about people waiting to see in which team the previous top 3 or best ranked players will get to spam their team's join button.

Fri May 11, 2012 2:38 am

KnockKnockJoke

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:13 am
Posts: 129

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

There have been fixes suggested since beta over and over again. Everyone is annoyed by it. But currently that seems to be the way Hi-Rez want's to roll...

Fri May 11, 2012 3:28 am

illerFFN

Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm
Posts: 1174

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Arcitct wrote:

Teamwork is OP.

FGSFDS

Fri May 11, 2012 4:59 am

Antago

Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:11 pm
Posts: 419

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Arcitct wrote:

Funny. I noticed the exact opposite. I win constantly whenever I join BE, because the teams are often better organized.

Fri May 11, 2012 9:27 am

NotSoCoolJ

Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:18 pm
Posts: 134

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

Arcitct wrote:

Actually, I am usually forced to DS because people blindly spam BE and I can't join it even if I wanted too. Everyday I get out spammed for BE by LvL5-10ers. They don't realize that they are stacking up the DS. Basically, most vet players don't care what team they are on and all the newbs rush to stack whatever side they think is going to win. That forces the Vets to select whatever is left. The next round they all rush to select DS and then the vets have to join BE. It isn't about what team you join. Even if the newbs want it to be that way.

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Fri May 11, 2012 9:48 am

ChaeEatWorld

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:47 pm
Posts: 247

Re: Joining method (often) ruins team balance

So...you want to remove the joining option? Or you just want to make it to where I can't play with my friends?

I know how it can be to be on the losing team, trying as hard as you can and not making a difference. But you can't tell people...hey. Come play this game. But, don't plan on playing with your friends, because that would be unfair to everyone else.

We should also remove VGS commands, because teams communicating ruins team balance.
Okay, so that was slightly troll-ish. But it does make my point pretty spot on, I believe.

Team stacking is something that happens in all games. It just does. It's something you can't fix. Because any fix implemented, would ruin the point of a game...which is to, for the most part, have fun. Bring your friends! Or not? Wait, what?

I bet that when you're on the winning team, this sort of thing doesn't bother you at all, does it?
I've had that feeling too. It's unfair! Oh wait, I'm winning. Fair!

_________________
Endless : In all versions of Tribes.
Izzywar : In Smite.

'Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.' - Bruce Lee

Fri May 11, 2012 10:51 am

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