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wooser Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm Posts: 695	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay I'd totally love it if all autos were given 100% inheritence but had the damage on all of them nerfed. All the slower projectile bullet weapons brought up to the faster speed too, as the slow bullet weapons are usually used when Going Slow so inheritence wouldn't be much of a buff. How much of a damage nerf? I don't know. Just less. Even a ROF decrease. Just anything to make bullet weapons the chasers, finishers and anti-air they should be rather than a combination of high DPS and much better versatility.
Tue May 01, 2012 7:16 pm

Oishi Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:18 am Posts: 180 Location: Netherlands	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay disci wrote: Can you make sense? Wasn't talking to you so I don't know why in hell are you even bothering with the childish mocking. Reported. reported yourself too for calling people thick skulled? Wh1skyJak wrote: I'm so happy to see this many people agree on the much needed nerf of the "bullet" style weapons. I have a post on the other board mentioning the idea of me starting an "SMG Free" server. If there would be this many people interested, I'd be happy to fire that baby up. You can't, as the private server won't allow you to remove them nor is it viable as with a non-bullet setting 80% of the players spawn without a weapon. _________________ This game is broken beyond repair. Hey Spinfusor.org, I want my deleted post back ^^ Loach for president! (giving HR a piece of his mind) Hello I am HiRezSheldon, your Customer support...........Bazinga!
Tue May 01, 2012 9:36 pm

miqueloz Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:55 pm Posts: 267	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay starlinvf wrote: miqueloz wrote: 12 SMG bullets actually takes skill to land them perfectly. 1 Spinfusor shot takes absolutely no skill. See what I did there? Backed up by as much proof as your claim as well. The Blue plate count begs to differ. No, it doesn't. I just talked to it, it said it agrees with me.
Tue May 01, 2012 10:20 pm

disci Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:48 pm Posts: 1025 Location: Winland	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Bump.
Tue May 08, 2012 9:22 am

RaindanceFOREVA Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:29 pm Posts: 128	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay disci wrote: Oishi wrote: disci wrote: Outdoors, CTF, no mid-airs. Won probably cos that guy wasn't very good player. See the hint, thick skull? Thick skull ? wow you must have a very big dic_k ^^, stop looking in mirrors. Can you make sense? Wasn't talking to you so I don't know why in hell are you even bothering with the childish mocking. Reported. You are so dumb, like fo real You start the childish mocking with the thick skull comment, and then re-iterate the thick skull comment after he responds to you in a MATURE manner. Get your head out your ass kid, your a hypocrite and even when people respond to you cool calm and collected, you insult them, then report someone else that calls you out on it. See how hypocritical that is? I'm not sure if you have some mental issue that lets you think you can insult people, mock, berate whatever, and even when they keep composure and ignore your idiotic trolling a 3rd party comes along and calls you out, then you report them immediately. Grow up dude, obviously you troll message boards because you are socially inept or somethin. I have a hard time believing someone in their right mind could act like you and be so oblivious to what a turd your being.
Tue May 08, 2012 9:38 am

Pkunk Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:42 am Posts: 351	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch. I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.
Tue May 08, 2012 9:59 am

disci Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:48 pm Posts: 1025 Location: Winland	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Pkunk wrote: I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch. I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. There will be no nerf to autos. I'd hope a minor nerf to splash weapons, since considering all the data in hand, splash weapons are far more OP than autos. When I groundpound someone with disks/thumper I feel dirty, which is why I play with autos all the time. Autos require a lot more skill than huge splash nooby weapons such as disk.
Tue May 08, 2012 10:18 am

Arrob Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:09 am Posts: 128	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Good work mate. Since you already figured out that they destroy the game by downgrading the fight to a random bullet party with no intelligence, tactics, or skill (to avoid) the only solution is to remove them completely. If you want a good game. Of course that never will happen because of money. Chasing is ok, if you remove Deployables too. Since Defence is less effective in this case, grabs are easy. So it results in both teams having the flag, lasts as long as someone gets the flag chased. So enough time for that. Chasing shouldnt be done in 10 Seconds. Of course Snipers need to be removed too.
Tue May 08, 2012 10:58 am

FreaK367 Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:53 pm Posts: 587 Location: England Steam Gamer Name: FreaK	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay disci wrote: Pkunk wrote: I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch. I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. There will be no nerf to autos. I'd hope a minor nerf to splash weapons, since considering all the data in hand, splash weapons are far more OP than autos. When I groundpound someone with disks/thumper I feel dirty, which is why I play with autos all the time. Autos require a lot more skill than huge splash nooby weapons such as disk. Dear god, is that really what you think?, have you even played the game? Automatics require considerably less skill even at the highest level, it's just a case of holding down mouse1 and walking the bullets into someone until you win everything. Fast projectiles make it easier to lead and make it effective over huge distances, the RoF makes missing extremely forgiving, and the damage output is huge. There's no effective way to avoid them either in a duel. It just comes down to one word, Spam. They spam so many projectiles so fast so that you don't need to pick your shots, you don't need to use much ability or any tactics to be good with them. With explosive weapons I agree that they should have maybe a 10% splash radius nerf but a 10% hitbox buff at the same time, to reward accuracy, and splash wouldn't be so forgiving. As it is though, explosives require more precision, more leading and more accuracy, missing isn't an option in many cases because you need to reload every projectile. As for the stats/data, they don't show very much, bare in mind that for large periods of beta the Pathfinder, Raider, Soldier and Juggernaut didn't have automatics, so everyone used explosives on those popular classes, and the Brute doesn't have one (yet I can imagine). And without being able to afford new weapons, explosive weapons are the only viable choice on classes like Pathfinder and Juggernaut, which are both very popular first unlocks for new players. And just the fact that this is about the peak of how bad automatics have become with regard to the abundance of people using and dominating with them, at the end of beta / release of game. _________________ Desired: Bind VGS commands to keys. Full XP Refund for free/gold. (cheap) Large Automatic Nerfs Decent Plasma Gun Nerf Large Jackal Nerf
Tue May 08, 2012 11:04 am

miqueloz Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:55 pm Posts: 267	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Explosives require considerably less skill, it's just a case of holding down mouse1 and shooting anywhere because of the huge splash until you win everything. Huge splash and massive projectiles make it easier to lead and make it effective over huge distances, the RoF makes missing extremely forgiving, and the damage output is huge. There's no effective way to avoid them either in a duel.
Tue May 08, 2012 11:16 am

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wooser

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm
Posts: 695

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

I'd totally love it if all autos were given 100% inheritence but had the damage on all of them nerfed. All the slower projectile bullet weapons brought up to the faster speed too, as the slow bullet weapons are usually used when Going Slow so inheritence wouldn't be much of a buff.

How much of a damage nerf? I don't know. Just less. Even a ROF decrease. Just anything to make bullet weapons the chasers, finishers and anti-air they should be rather than a combination of high DPS and much better versatility.

Tue May 01, 2012 7:16 pm

Oishi

Joined: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:18 am
Posts: 180
Location: Netherlands

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

disci wrote:

Can you make sense? :lol:

Wasn't talking to you so I don't know why in hell are you even bothering with the childish mocking.

Reported.

reported yourself too for calling people thick skulled?

Wh1skyJak wrote:

I'm so happy to see this many people agree on the much needed nerf of the "bullet" style weapons. I have a post on the other board mentioning the idea of me starting an "SMG Free" server.
If there would be this many people interested, I'd be happy to fire that baby up.

You can't, as the private server won't allow you to remove them nor is it viable as with a non-bullet setting 80% of the players spawn without a weapon.

_________________

This game is broken beyond repair.
Hey Spinfusor.org, I want my deleted post back ^^
Loach for president! (giving HR a piece of his mind)
Hello I am HiRezSheldon, your Customer support...........Bazinga!

Tue May 01, 2012 9:36 pm

miqueloz

Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:55 pm
Posts: 267

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

starlinvf wrote:

miqueloz wrote:

12 SMG bullets actually takes skill to land them perfectly. 1 Spinfusor shot takes absolutely no skill.

See what I did there? Backed up by as much proof as your claim as well.

The Blue plate count begs to differ.

No, it doesn't. I just talked to it, it said it agrees with me.

Tue May 01, 2012 10:20 pm

disci

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:48 pm
Posts: 1025
Location: Winland

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Bump.

Tue May 08, 2012 9:22 am

RaindanceFOREVA

Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:29 pm
Posts: 128

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

disci wrote:

Oishi wrote:

disci wrote:

Outdoors, CTF, no mid-airs. Won probably cos that guy wasn't very good player.

See the hint, thick skull?

Thick skull ? wow you must have a very big dic_k ^^, stop looking in mirrors.

Can you make sense? :lol:

Wasn't talking to you so I don't know why in hell are you even bothering with the childish mocking.

Reported.

You are so dumb, like fo real

You start the childish mocking with the thick skull comment, and then re-iterate the thick skull comment after he responds to you in a MATURE manner.

Get your head out your ass kid, your a hypocrite and even when people respond to you cool calm and collected, you insult them, then report someone else that calls you out on it. See how hypocritical that is?

I'm not sure if you have some mental issue that lets you think you can insult people, mock, berate whatever, and even when they keep composure and ignore your idiotic trolling a 3rd party comes along and calls you out, then you report them immediately. Grow up dude, obviously you troll message boards because you are socially inept or somethin. I have a hard time believing someone in their right mind could act like you and be so oblivious to what a turd your being.

Tue May 08, 2012 9:38 am

Pkunk

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:42 am
Posts: 351

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch.

I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

Tue May 08, 2012 9:59 am

disci

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:48 pm
Posts: 1025
Location: Winland

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Pkunk wrote:

I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch.

I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

There will be no nerf to autos. I'd hope a minor nerf to splash weapons, since considering all the data in hand, splash weapons are far more OP than autos.

When I groundpound someone with disks/thumper I feel dirty, which is why I play with autos all the time. Autos require a lot more skill than huge splash nooby weapons such as disk.

Tue May 08, 2012 10:18 am

Arrob

Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:09 am
Posts: 128

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Good work mate. Since you already figured out that they destroy the game by downgrading the fight to a random bullet party with no intelligence, tactics, or skill (to avoid) the only solution is to remove them completely. If you want a good game. Of course that never will happen because of money. Chasing is ok, if you remove Deployables too. Since Defence is less effective in this case, grabs are easy. So it results in both teams having the flag, lasts as long as someone gets the flag chased. So enough time for that. Chasing shouldnt be done in 10 Seconds. Of course Snipers need to be removed too.

Tue May 08, 2012 10:58 am

FreaK367

Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:53 pm
Posts: 587
Location: England
Steam Gamer Name: FreaK

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

disci wrote:

Pkunk wrote:

I hope there is some kind of hidden nerf to the autos in today's patch.

I also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

Dear god, is that really what you think?, have you even played the game?

Automatics require considerably less skill even at the highest level, it's just a case of holding down mouse1 and walking the bullets into someone until you win everything. Fast projectiles make it easier to lead and make it effective over huge distances, the RoF makes missing extremely forgiving, and the damage output is huge. There's no effective way to avoid them either in a duel.

It just comes down to one word, Spam. They spam so many projectiles so fast so that you don't need to pick your shots, you don't need to use much ability or any tactics to be good with them.

With explosive weapons I agree that they should have maybe a 10% splash radius nerf but a 10% hitbox buff at the same time, to reward accuracy, and splash wouldn't be so forgiving. As it is though, explosives require more precision, more leading and more accuracy, missing isn't an option in many cases because you need to reload every projectile.

As for the stats/data, they don't show very much, bare in mind that for large periods of beta the Pathfinder, Raider, Soldier and Juggernaut didn't have automatics, so everyone used explosives on those popular classes, and the Brute doesn't have one (yet I can imagine). And without being able to afford new weapons, explosive weapons are the only viable choice on classes like Pathfinder and Juggernaut, which are both very popular first unlocks for new players. And just the fact that this is about the peak of how bad automatics have become with regard to the abundance of people using and dominating with them, at the end of beta / release of game.

_________________

Desired:
Bind VGS commands to keys.
Full XP Refund for free/gold. (cheap)
Large Automatic Nerfs
Decent Plasma Gun Nerf
Large Jackal Nerf

Tue May 08, 2012 11:04 am

miqueloz

Joined: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:55 pm
Posts: 267

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Explosives require considerably less skill, it's just a case of holding down mouse1 and shooting anywhere because of the huge splash until you win everything. Huge splash and massive projectiles make it easier to lead and make it effective over huge distances, the RoF makes missing extremely forgiving, and the damage output is huge. There's no effective way to avoid them either in a duel.

Tue May 08, 2012 11:16 am

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