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Trilandian Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm Posts: 485	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Spinebuster wrote: I agree, the physics dont necessarily break the game, they just make it so its not as enjoyable. The gameplay issues are the ones that break the game. The game has loads of potential to be a great game but it feels like it should be in early beta still with all the work that needs done. I think it's pretty much a forum-wide consensus that T:A should have remained in beta for many more months, even a year, maybe. Don't know if it was stupidity on Hi-Rez's part, thinking that it was "ready" (which would require an inbred, swamp-dwelling redneck level of stupidity), or greed, wanting more people flooding into the game on the pretext that it's "out of beta". _________________ Thump... BOOM --- My Contributions Intelligent Turret Placement Management tools --- Important Topics Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC
Mon May 07, 2012 2:35 am

starlinvf Beta Tester Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am Posts: 1478	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Trilandian wrote: Spinebuster wrote: I agree, the physics dont necessarily break the game, they just make it so its not as enjoyable. The gameplay issues are the ones that break the game. The game has loads of potential to be a great game but it feels like it should be in early beta still with all the work that needs done. I think it's pretty much a forum-wide consensus that T:A should have remained in beta for many more months, even a year, maybe. Don't know if it was stupidity on Hi-Rez's part, thinking that it was "ready" (which would require an inbred, swamp-dwelling redneck level of stupidity), or greed, wanting more people flooding into the game on the pretext that it's "out of beta". They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site. _________________ "Even if it is just a gimmick, you can bet it'll be a crowd pleaser to see a player's feet kick up in the air and initiate a top down attack."
Mon May 07, 2012 5:00 am

Trilandian Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm Posts: 485	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue starlinvf wrote: Trilandian wrote: Spinebuster wrote: I agree, the physics dont necessarily break the game, they just make it so its not as enjoyable. The gameplay issues are the ones that break the game. The game has loads of potential to be a great game but it feels like it should be in early beta still with all the work that needs done. I think it's pretty much a forum-wide consensus that T:A should have remained in beta for many more months, even a year, maybe. Don't know if it was stupidity on Hi-Rez's part, thinking that it was "ready" (which would require an inbred, swamp-dwelling redneck level of stupidity), or greed, wanting more people flooding into the game on the pretext that it's "out of beta". They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site. You mean they rushed the release to get into the NASL?!? Jesus Christ... _________________ Thump... BOOM --- My Contributions Intelligent Turret Placement Management tools --- Important Topics Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC
Mon May 07, 2012 5:14 am

starlinvf Beta Tester Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am Posts: 1478	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Trilandian wrote: starlinvf wrote: They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site. You mean they rushed the release to get into the NASL?!? Jesus Christ... The release date given the current state of the game couldn't have been pure coincidence. When the release announcement was first made, the forums were pretty upset. And while the motives are understandable, it makes the months they spent dragging ass while they were doing design revisions all the more embarrassing. I even dare say that was the plan all along, and completely underestimated tester criticism to the original design concept (like physics among other things). _________________ "Even if it is just a gimmick, you can bet it'll be a crowd pleaser to see a player's feet kick up in the air and initiate a top down attack."
Mon May 07, 2012 5:46 am

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Just to nitpick, that's not a "vertical momentum" issue, it's a "vertical thrust" issue. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon May 07, 2012 5:53 am

starlinvf Beta Tester Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am Posts: 1478	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue hvcterr wrote: Just to nitpick, that's not a "vertical momentum" issue, it's a "vertical thrust" issue. But can you really call it "thrust"? _________________ "Even if it is just a gimmick, you can bet it'll be a crowd pleaser to see a player's feet kick up in the air and initiate a top down attack."
Mon May 07, 2012 6:01 am

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue You might argue there's no mass for it to expel, but by the same token the maps have no actual planet below them, so the same goes for "gravity", and the whole thing is really just a simulation anyway... Let's just say that the problem involves acceleration of the character, rather than the current velocity, or even the velocity times mass. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon May 07, 2012 6:05 am

Oroibahazopi Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 pm Posts: 1139	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Given that the equations of motion of a body under the force of gravity and experiencing wind resistance have been solved for hundreds of years I don't understand why they aren't used more often. I could write them out pretty compactly tbh, including some ski friction.
Mon May 07, 2012 6:10 am

Trilandian Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm Posts: 485	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Oroibahazopi wrote: Given that the equations of motion of a body under the force of gravity and experiencing wind resistance have been solved for hundreds of years I don't understand why they aren't used more often. I could write them out pretty compactly tbh, including some ski friction. Don't bother trying to talk science at Hi-Rez, you'd break their brains. _________________ Thump... BOOM --- My Contributions Intelligent Turret Placement Management tools --- Important Topics Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC
Mon May 07, 2012 7:50 am

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue Meh, I'm not happy with several aspects of the physics engine, but I do want to emphasize that game programming is like theater. You craft an illusion as best you can, but a lot of the props will be fake if you look at them close up, and the set-pieces are really just single flimsy walls, etc. A "real" physics engine isn't always what you need. The problem with T:A is that the illusion has worn thin in areas and the audience can see tell-tales that shouldn't be visible. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon May 07, 2012 11:56 am

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Trilandian

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm
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Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Spinebuster wrote:

I agree, the physics dont necessarily break the game, they just make it so its not as enjoyable. The gameplay issues are the ones that break the game.

The game has loads of potential to be a great game but it feels like it should be in early beta still with all the work that needs done.

I think it's pretty much a forum-wide consensus that T:A should have remained in beta for many more months, even a year, maybe.

Don't know if it was stupidity on Hi-Rez's part, thinking that it was "ready" (which would require an inbred, swamp-dwelling redneck level of stupidity), or greed, wanting more people flooding into the game on the pretext that it's "out of beta".

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My Contributions
Intelligent Turret Placement
Management tools
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Important Topics
Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF
Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT
Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT
Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC

Mon May 07, 2012 2:35 am

starlinvf

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Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am
Posts: 1478

Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Trilandian wrote:

Spinebuster wrote:

They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site.

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Mon May 07, 2012 5:00 am

Trilandian

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm
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Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

starlinvf wrote:

Trilandian wrote:

Spinebuster wrote:

They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site.

You mean they rushed the release to get into the NASL?!? Jesus Christ...

Mon May 07, 2012 5:14 am

starlinvf

Beta Tester

Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am
Posts: 1478

Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Trilandian wrote:

starlinvf wrote:

They wanted to make this year's season for the eSport league they got into.... which was mostly Starcraft from what I read on their site.

You mean they rushed the release to get into the NASL?!? Jesus Christ...

The release date given the current state of the game couldn't have been pure coincidence. When the release announcement was first made, the forums were pretty upset. And while the motives are understandable, it makes the months they spent dragging ass while they were doing design revisions all the more embarrassing. I even dare say that was the plan all along, and completely underestimated tester criticism to the original design concept (like physics among other things).

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Mon May 07, 2012 5:46 am

hvcterr

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am
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Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Just to nitpick, that's not a "vertical momentum" issue, it's a "vertical thrust" issue.

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Mon May 07, 2012 5:53 am

starlinvf

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Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

hvcterr wrote:

Just to nitpick, that's not a "vertical momentum" issue, it's a "vertical thrust" issue.

But can you really call it "thrust"?

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Mon May 07, 2012 6:01 am

hvcterr

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Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

You might argue there's no mass for it to expel, but by the same token the maps have no actual planet below them, so the same goes for "gravity", and the whole thing is really just a simulation anyway...

Let's just say that the problem involves acceleration of the character, rather than the current velocity, or even the velocity times mass.

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Mon May 07, 2012 6:05 am

Oroibahazopi

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 pm
Posts: 1139

Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Given that the equations of motion of a body under the force of gravity and experiencing wind resistance have been solved for hundreds of years I don't understand why they aren't used more often.

I could write them out pretty compactly tbh, including some ski friction.

Mon May 07, 2012 6:10 am

Trilandian

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm
Posts: 485

Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Oroibahazopi wrote:

Don't bother trying to talk science at Hi-Rez, you'd break their brains.

Mon May 07, 2012 7:50 am

hvcterr

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am
Posts: 1567

Re: Jetpack's vertical momentum issue

Meh, I'm not happy with several aspects of the physics engine, but I do want to emphasize that game programming is like theater. You craft an illusion as best you can, but a lot of the props will be fake if you look at them close up, and the set-pieces are really just single flimsy walls, etc. A "real" physics engine isn't always what you need.

The problem with T:A is that the illusion has worn thin in areas and the audience can see tell-tales that shouldn't be visible.

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Mon May 07, 2012 11:56 am

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