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Rithas Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm Posts: 733 Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine	Re: Falcon (Sent) I'm not being pretentious at all. I am being realistic. Maybe if you took the head out of your ass and stopped assuming i'm trying to be all knowing and think for a second that I may be trying to help people better understand why something is strong or overpowered even. The sent has some of the best equipment available to it in comparison to any other class in the game. To ignore that would be silly. They way they're applied makes them exceedingly strong too. When they gave the sent who was strong to begin with an automatic weapon that has an extremely high rate of fire, moderate damage and decent accuracy it tipped the balance of power quite severely. _________________
Sun May 06, 2012 9:06 am

Frostiken Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am Posts: 1045	Re: Falcon (Sent) ExigentFX wrote: I'm not being pretentious at all. I am being realistic. Maybe if you took the head out of your ass and stopped assuming i'm trying to be all knowing and think for a second that I may be trying to help people better understand why something is strong or overpowered even. You made an incredibly generic statement and then linked to the entire Art of War with a statement that basically said "read this whole thing". It's not like I'm reading too far between the lines or anything here. If you didn't want to sound pretentious as f*, you could've done a whole hell of a lot better. I agree that the Falcon is overpowered as f*, but it's only a small grace that the skill ceiling for actually sniping is so high that curtails it. In terms of best class, Pathfinder takes that in my eyes to such a degree that it's incredibly overpowered. For Christ's sake, The Bolt Launcher is, for all intents and purposes, the Soldier Spinfusor mounted on a light. The LAR is more or less the Soldier Assault Rifle, except it can accompany the 'Boltfusor', whereas the Soldier is gimped by not having that option at all.
Sun May 06, 2012 9:12 am

Rithas Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm Posts: 733 Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine	Re: Falcon (Sent) You don't have to read the whole thing. It's in sections so it's not hard to find what you're looking for nor is it long. After all it's just advice. You can do whatever the f*** you want to do. And it wasn't a generic statement as everything covered what makes the class good. Maybe you should check your ego at the door because it wasn't belittling. The first rude thing I said was that you sound dumb by calling me pretentious. /endargument. Done derailing the thread. _________________
Sun May 06, 2012 9:20 am

Aranha Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am Posts: 1426 Location: Stockholm, Sweden	Re: Falcon (Sent) -AEnubis- wrote: ...and you keep assuming I can't beat a falcon on a SEN, which is simply not true. I can out duel a Plasma gun too, but that doesn't mean Plasma isn't OP. You also keep leaning on the fallacy that these weapons or classes are at all balanced simply because HiRez coded it to be that way, which would be the only justifiable reason to tell people to learn to duel better. Some of the best duelers in this game understand the SEN shouldn't have an auto. I fail to see why anyone would defend it beyond lacking the dueling skill to succeed without it. ...and Vega isn't my type. He's cute and all, but a little too high strung. hvcterr wrote: Uhm, It's true with projectile weapons too. Adding a random deviation is going to make them miss, it's not like you can magically "steer" the shots after they've left the gun. I never said it wouldn't. You're not making the connection. Offcourse i do! Why else would you complain about the lowest dps auto in the game? The SEN is the worst duelist in the game already. So how is the falcon so gamebreaking? He shouldnt have a auto becose why? Becose hes the only class ingame with a energy or zoom time requirement in the game? Your argument just doesnt work thats all. Theres no logic why the falcon is gamebreaking becose it isnt. I think theres alot of balance issues in the game mainly the PTH role in CTF and how broken chasing is. Or how strong autos are vs heavies. But the Falcon on a Sentinel? I find that quite laughable actually. No offense but in my opinion a Falcon never stops me from ripping a Sen appart. _________________ EU London - [iSMG] Karmasutra Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab Melanious wrote: I guess the T:A jets could get me that high, being my hamster self. It feeds off my scurrying hamster leg power.
Sun May 06, 2012 11:00 am

Rithas Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm Posts: 733 Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine	Re: Falcon (Sent) Aranha, you don't seem to get the picture. You're either playing against people who aren't that well off with the class or just delusional. Machine gun weapons are pretty loathed to begin with because they are strong. So when you give a class long range capabilities and good close range capabilities, aka the sent. The class becomes overpowered as a whole. It doesn't need a automatic to perform well. That's why the falcon is overpowered. _________________
Sun May 06, 2012 12:06 pm

BalSofsTihl Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:31 am Posts: 108	Re: Falcon (Sent) Ayo, I agree that frostiken is pretty dumb, but linking to or quoting the Art of War on a video game forum is the Dumbest Thing. _________________ TeaL3af wrote: If you need unlocks to enjoy a game, then you will be one of the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
Sun May 06, 2012 1:03 pm

FluffyMeowington Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 408 Location: yes	Re: Falcon (Sent) Aranha wrote: The SEN is the worst duelist in the game already. So how is the falcon so gamebreaking? He shouldnt have a auto becose why? Because he is a f*** sniper. You people have no concept of class-based, balanced game-design. What's the trade-off of a class that's really strong long-range? Weak close combat. Ta-da! _________________ Rainbow-dye for T:A!
Sun May 06, 2012 1:31 pm

Lazerus Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:48 pm Posts: 254	Re: Falcon (Sent) the magazine size of the falcon seems to be a little bit low. i dont know if this is overpowered. the rate of fire with superfast bullets is realy strong, but i dnot know if it enough to take out heavy explosive classes who needs to hit you only one time. even pathfinders with the spinfusor can onehit sentinals.
Sun May 06, 2012 1:52 pm

Rithas Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm Posts: 733 Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine	Re: Falcon (Sent) BalSofsTihl wrote: Ayo, I agree that frostiken is pretty dumb, but linking to or quoting the Art of War on a video game forum is the Dumbest Thing. God forbid anyone learn something that might teach them something that could improve their gaming experience. Man, I must be dumb. The art of war can be applied to a lot of things in life including videogames, especially ones that are based on.. this part will blow your mind war. _________________
Sun May 06, 2012 1:53 pm

Crofe Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:27 pm Posts: 529	Re: Falcon (Sent) I don't think people understand that the sniper is already hurting you from the midfield, They sit in the perfect vantage points to defend from, a sentinel on top of a hill is crazy hard to even approach let alone get into dueling range with.
Sun May 06, 2012 1:54 pm

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Rithas

Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm
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Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine

Re: Falcon (Sent)

I'm not being pretentious at all. I am being realistic. Maybe if you took the head out of your ass and stopped assuming i'm trying to be all knowing and think for a second that I may be trying to help people better understand why something is strong or overpowered even.

The sent has some of the best equipment available to it in comparison to any other class in the game. To ignore that would be silly. They way they're applied makes them exceedingly strong too.

When they gave the sent who was strong to begin with an automatic weapon that has an extremely high rate of fire, moderate damage and decent accuracy it tipped the balance of power quite severely.

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Sun May 06, 2012 9:06 am

Frostiken

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am
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Re: Falcon (Sent)

ExigentFX wrote:

You made an incredibly generic statement and then linked to the entire Art of War with a statement that basically said "read this whole thing".

It's not like I'm reading too far between the lines or anything here. If you didn't want to sound pretentious as f***, you could've done a whole hell of a lot better.

I agree that the Falcon is overpowered as f***, but it's only a small grace that the skill ceiling for actually sniping is so high that curtails it. In terms of best class, Pathfinder takes that in my eyes to such a degree that it's incredibly overpowered. For Christ's sake, The Bolt Launcher is, for all intents and purposes, the Soldier Spinfusor mounted on a light. The LAR is more or less the Soldier Assault Rifle, except it can accompany the 'Boltfusor', whereas the Soldier is gimped by not having that option at all.

Sun May 06, 2012 9:12 am

Rithas

Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 733
Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine

Re: Falcon (Sent)

You don't have to read the whole thing. It's in sections so it's not hard to find what you're looking for nor is it long. After all it's just advice. You can do whatever the f*** you want to do.

And it wasn't a generic statement as everything covered what makes the class good.

Maybe you should check your ego at the door because it wasn't belittling. The first rude thing I said was that you sound dumb by calling me pretentious.

/endargument. Done derailing the thread.

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Sun May 06, 2012 9:20 am

Aranha

Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 am
Posts: 1426
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Re: Falcon (Sent)

-AEnubis- wrote:

...and you keep assuming I can't beat a falcon on a SEN, which is simply not true.

I can out duel a Plasma gun too, but that doesn't mean Plasma isn't OP.

You also keep leaning on the fallacy that these weapons or classes are at all balanced simply because HiRez coded it to be that way, which would be the only justifiable reason to tell people to learn to duel better. Some of the best duelers in this game understand the SEN shouldn't have an auto.

I fail to see why anyone would defend it beyond lacking the dueling skill to succeed without it.

...and Vega isn't my type. He's cute and all, but a little too high strung.

hvcterr wrote:

Uhm, It's true with projectile weapons too. Adding a random deviation is going to make them miss, it's not like you can magically "steer" the shots after they've left the gun.

I never said it wouldn't. You're not making the connection.

Offcourse i do! Why else would you complain about the lowest dps auto in the game?

The SEN is the worst duelist in the game already. So how is the falcon so gamebreaking?

He shouldnt have a auto becose why? Becose hes the only class ingame with a energy or zoom time requirement in the game? Your argument just doesnt work thats all. Theres no logic why the falcon is gamebreaking becose it isnt. I think theres alot of balance issues in the game mainly the PTH role in CTF and how broken chasing is.

Or how strong autos are vs heavies.

But the Falcon on a Sentinel? I find that quite laughable actually.

No offense but in my opinion a Falcon never stops me from ripping a Sen appart.

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Karma's Data Thread! Weapon Data & Test Lab

Melanious wrote:

I guess the T:A jets could get me that high, being my hamster self. It feeds off my scurrying hamster leg power.

Sun May 06, 2012 11:00 am

Rithas

Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 733
Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine

Re: Falcon (Sent)

Aranha, you don't seem to get the picture. You're either playing against people who aren't that well off with the class or just delusional.

Machine gun weapons are pretty loathed to begin with because they are strong. So when you give a class long range capabilities and good close range capabilities, aka the sent. The class becomes overpowered as a whole. It doesn't need a automatic to perform well.

That's why the falcon is overpowered.

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Sun May 06, 2012 12:06 pm

BalSofsTihl

Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:31 am
Posts: 108

Re: Falcon (Sent)

Ayo, I agree that frostiken is pretty dumb, but linking to or quoting the Art of War on a video game forum is the Dumbest Thing.

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TeaL3af wrote:

If you need unlocks to enjoy a game, then you will be one of the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Sun May 06, 2012 1:03 pm

FluffyMeowington

Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:07 pm
Posts: 408
Location: yes

Re: Falcon (Sent)

Aranha wrote:

The SEN is the worst duelist in the game already. So how is the falcon so gamebreaking?

He shouldnt have a auto becose why?

Because he is a f*** sniper. You people have no concept of class-based, balanced game-design. What's the trade-off of a class that's really strong long-range? Weak close combat.

Ta-da!

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Rainbow-dye for T:A!

Sun May 06, 2012 1:31 pm

Lazerus

Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:48 pm
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Re: Falcon (Sent)

the magazine size of the falcon seems to be a little bit low.
i dont know if this is overpowered.
the rate of fire with superfast bullets is realy strong, but i dnot know if it enough to take out heavy explosive classes who needs to hit you only one time.
even pathfinders with the spinfusor can onehit sentinals.

Sun May 06, 2012 1:52 pm

Rithas

Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 733
Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine

Re: Falcon (Sent)

BalSofsTihl wrote:

Ayo, I agree that frostiken is pretty dumb, but linking to or quoting the Art of War on a video game forum is the Dumbest Thing.

God forbid anyone learn something that might teach them something that could improve their gaming experience. Man, I must be dumb.

The art of war can be applied to a lot of things in life including videogames, especially ones that are based on.. this part will blow your mind

war.

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Sun May 06, 2012 1:53 pm

Crofe

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:27 pm
Posts: 529

Re: Falcon (Sent)

I don't think people understand that the sniper is already hurting you from the midfield, They sit in the perfect vantage points to defend from, a sentinel on top of a hill is crazy hard to even approach let alone get into dueling range with.

Sun May 06, 2012 1:54 pm

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