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xSNAKEx Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:43 am Posts: 33	Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. OK there has been a lot of arguments about the saber taking too long to lock and being useless in each stage of its insect like life in general. Personally I agree with these, but lets not get into them. All voices have been heard. However IMO the most f ludicrously frustrating and unnecessary aspect of the sabers use is the fact that you can be so close to getting a lock i.e 2.95 seconds, and some tree or shurb or dust mite gets in the way of the enemy and PROCESS CANCELLED. Start again. Same thing. PROCESS CANCELLED. Start again. I also always find it impossible to track when the enemy is passing me requiring a fast 180 degree to keep aiming at them turn (due to my low fps) so the millisecond the game registers I move my cursor 1 pixel too far of the enemy, PROCESS CANCELLED. So what I recommend is a two way timer for the 3 second lock. Please no s*** about how this would be hard to be implement because the oribital, tactical and supply laser guns have this. IF you targetting something, then go to an invalid area the timer simply rolls back and as soon as you go back to an allowed area, it starts to roll forward again from where it left of WITHOUT RESETTING. Personally I think the saber NEEDS a speed buff too. But I think my solution is good middle ground and it would be the least disruptive. It does not change the foundations of the weapon balance at all.
Fri May 04, 2012 2:59 pm

moonshus Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:31 am Posts: 14	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. Radioactive cluster nuke upgrade!
Fri May 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Bitralon Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:45 am Posts: 763	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. I like it.
Fri May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. In other words, you want interruptions to "slowly rewind" the locking-progress, rather than instantly resetting it to zero? That sounds good, as long as the timings are tweaked a bit and you can't "transfer" locking-progress from one enemy to another. Actually, I'd like to suggest merging it with this control-scheme change: hvcterr wrote: The Saber should only begin locking when you are holding the mouse button. Once this starts, it should ignore all different enemies until you release the button. Even if your original target goes behind an obstacle at the same moment another enemy moves across your screen. As soon as the lock is done, it should auto-fire the rocket immediately. You must remember to release the button at this point. This solves the "I just want to see targets, I don't want to let them know I'm around yet" problem and the "d*** stop flipping changing the target" problem and the "clickclickclickclick" problem all at once, significantly reducing frustration without (yet) introducing any balance alterations. This way there's no exploiting a "progress transfer" bug, and other enemies flying around won't "reset" your progress as it flips between targets, and the game doesn't need to keep an independent progress-counter for every single Doombrings/Enemy combination. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Fri May 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Scimatth Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:22 pm Posts: 1018	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. +1 _________________ Wobberjockey wrote: [This] has worse odds than pigs growing wings, learning to fly, spontaneously combusting mid flight, and the resulting bacon landing perfectly cooked on your breakfast plate tomorrow morning.
Fri May 04, 2012 5:14 pm

rekrn123 Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 am Posts: 1089	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. They need to change the way it locks on also. It shouldn't automatically try to lock on to people. It should show people as targets with the yellow boxes and then you select somebody and hold down the button and it starts to lock on. Soon as the lock finishes it should instantly fire the missile off. At the very least that change needs to be made. It probably needs a lot of buffs still but we will see.
Fri May 04, 2012 7:47 pm

pushbiscuitdeath Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:25 pm Posts: 723	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. +1 the saber is more frustrating to use than fun. Most of the time when you do use it the person you targeted is going so fast they are long gone or go down the other side of a hill and the missile flies right into the hill. I think it could do with going about twice as high before going down onto the target than it does currently, unless they are right up close. _________________ T:A Soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAC1B18024809938&feature=view_all Tribes channel: http://www.youtube.com/tribesmovies555
Fri May 04, 2012 7:51 pm

Lazerus Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:48 pm Posts: 254	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. Ive only hit once with this thing. Pathfinder with our map was so d*** high in the air that i could lock on him. shoot, rocket travels something about 15s, hit, kill. because im playing most of the time sentinel, rockets locked onto me are just laughable. one time nearly 20s after start someone shoot a rocket to me. i had enough time to watch it through my scope and take a perfect shot. sadly there is no medal for this^^ i dont know if you can reduce the lock on time with upgrades, but the vanilla version is way to slow. also that you always lock on jetpacking guys is frustrating.
Fri May 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Trilandian Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm Posts: 485	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. +1 _________________ Thump... BOOM --- My Contributions Intelligent Turret Placement Management tools --- Important Topics Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC
Fri May 04, 2012 10:00 pm

Kulgur Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:49 pm Posts: 11	Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER. Lazerus wrote: Ive only hit once with this thing. Pathfinder with our map was so d*** high in the air that i could lock on him. shoot, rocket travels something about 15s, hit, kill. because im playing most of the time sentinel, rockets locked onto me are just laughable. one time nearly 20s after start someone shoot a rocket to me. i had enough time to watch it through my scope and take a perfect shot. sadly there is no medal for this^^ I've taken them out with heavy spinfusor shots. It's laughably easy to shoot down.
Fri May 04, 2012 10:39 pm

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xSNAKEx

Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:43 am
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Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

OK there has been a lot of arguments about the saber taking too long to lock and being useless in each stage of its insect like life in general. Personally I agree with these, but lets not get into them. All voices have been heard.

However IMO the most f ludicrously frustrating and unnecessary aspect of the sabers use is the fact that you can be so close to getting a lock i.e 2.95 seconds, and some tree or shurb or dust mite gets in the way of the enemy and PROCESS CANCELLED. Start again. Same thing. PROCESS CANCELLED. Start again.

I also always find it impossible to track when the enemy is passing me requiring a fast 180 degree to keep aiming at them turn (due to my low fps) so the millisecond the game registers I move my cursor 1 pixel too far of the enemy, PROCESS CANCELLED.

So what I recommend is a two way timer for the 3 second lock. Please no s*** about how this would be hard to be implement because the oribital, tactical and supply laser guns have this. IF you targetting something, then go to an invalid area the timer simply rolls back and as soon as you go back to an allowed area, it starts to roll forward again from where it left of WITHOUT RESETTING.

Personally I think the saber NEEDS a speed buff too. But I think my solution is good middle ground and it would be the least disruptive. It does not change the foundations of the weapon balance at all.

Fri May 04, 2012 2:59 pm

moonshus

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:31 am
Posts: 14

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

Radioactive cluster nuke upgrade!

Fri May 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Bitralon

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:45 am
Posts: 763

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

I like it.

Fri May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

hvcterr

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am
Posts: 1567

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

In other words, you want interruptions to "slowly rewind" the locking-progress, rather than instantly resetting it to zero?

That sounds good, as long as the timings are tweaked a bit and you can't "transfer" locking-progress from one enemy to another. Actually, I'd like to suggest merging it with this control-scheme change:

hvcterr wrote:

The Saber should only begin locking when you are holding the mouse button.
Once this starts, it should ignore all different enemies until you release the button. Even if your original target goes behind an obstacle at the same moment another enemy moves across your screen.
As soon as the lock is done, it should auto-fire the rocket immediately. You must remember to release the button at this point.

This solves the "I just want to see targets, I don't want to let them know I'm around yet" problem and the "d*** stop flipping changing the target" problem and the "clickclickclickclick" problem all at once, significantly reducing frustration without (yet) introducing any balance alterations.

This way there's no exploiting a "progress transfer" bug, and other enemies flying around won't "reset" your progress as it flips between targets, and the game doesn't need to keep an independent progress-counter for every single Doombrings/Enemy combination.

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Fri May 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Scimatth

Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:22 pm
Posts: 1018

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

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Wobberjockey wrote:

[This] has worse odds than pigs growing wings, learning to fly, spontaneously combusting mid flight, and the resulting bacon landing perfectly cooked on your breakfast plate tomorrow morning.

Fri May 04, 2012 5:14 pm

rekrn123

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 am
Posts: 1089

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

They need to change the way it locks on also. It shouldn't automatically try to lock on to people. It should show people as targets with the yellow boxes and then you select somebody and hold down the button and it starts to lock on. Soon as the lock finishes it should instantly fire the missile off.

At the very least that change needs to be made. It probably needs a lot of buffs still but we will see.

Fri May 04, 2012 7:47 pm

pushbiscuitdeath

Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:25 pm
Posts: 723

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

+1 the saber is more frustrating to use than fun. Most of the time when you do use it the person you targeted is going so fast they are long gone or go down the other side of a hill and the missile flies right into the hill. I think it could do with going about twice as high before going down onto the target than it does currently, unless they are right up close.

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http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBAC1B18024809938&feature=view_all
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Fri May 04, 2012 7:51 pm

Lazerus

Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:48 pm
Posts: 254

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

Ive only hit once with this thing.
Pathfinder with our map was so d*** high in the air that i could lock on him. shoot, rocket travels something about 15s, hit, kill.

because im playing most of the time sentinel, rockets locked onto me are just laughable.
one time nearly 20s after start someone shoot a rocket to me.
i had enough time to watch it through my scope and take a perfect shot.
sadly there is no medal for this^^

i dont know if you can reduce the lock on time with upgrades, but the vanilla version is way to slow.
also that you always lock on jetpacking guys is frustrating.

Fri May 04, 2012 9:09 pm

Trilandian

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:28 pm
Posts: 485

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

_________________
Thump... BOOM
---
My Contributions
Intelligent Turret Placement
Management tools
---
Important Topics
Missing/Broken Features - tinyurl.com/TA-MaBF
Tactics tutorial - tinyurl.com/TA-HRMaTATT
Call down turrets - tinyurl.com/TA-CDT
Varying unlock costs - tinyurl.com/TA-HRWTVUC

Fri May 04, 2012 10:00 pm

Kulgur

Joined: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:49 pm
Posts: 11

Re: Whats wrong with this? TWO WAY TIMER FOR THE SABER LAUNCHER.

Lazerus wrote:

I've taken them out with heavy spinfusor shots. It's laughably easy to shoot down.

Fri May 04, 2012 10:39 pm

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