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Wylf Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:38 pm Posts: 2882 Location: Germany	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. Necro-File wrote: Wylf wrote: I'm pretty sure it's always been 10 : o Maybe it is/was bugged in practice mode? Seems like an odd bug though. When you're actually in a match (remember, I don't have it unlocked yet, just used it in practice) does it show your reserve ammo count? Because it doesn't in practice mode. Until I ran out of ammo, I thought the thing had unlimited mags. It does show it, just on a strange spot: _________________ Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint! Und das mit Recht; denn alles, was entsteht, ist wert, daß es zugrunde geht; Drum besser wär's, daß nichts entstünde. So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde, Zerstörung, kurz, das Böse nennt, mein eigentliches Element.
Fri May 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Necro-File Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:31 pm Posts: 1387 Steam Gamer Name: › The Cool Side of the Pillow	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. Ahhh... No wonder I missed it. It's position is odd and it's turned to the side. _________________ Rock: "Nerf Paper, Scissors are balanced." Flag Drag Sounds f* *, and I am a CHASER.
Fri May 04, 2012 12:34 pm

Wylf Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:38 pm Posts: 2882 Location: Germany	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. It took me a while to find it myself _________________ Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint! Und das mit Recht; denn alles, was entsteht, ist wert, daß es zugrunde geht; Drum besser wär's, daß nichts entstünde. So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde, Zerstörung, kurz, das Böse nennt, mein eigentliches Element.
Fri May 04, 2012 12:36 pm

jonqdrums Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:57 pm Posts: 53	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. I play Raider and use the Plasma Gun. When I play in pubs, it's real easy to air mail people. However, if you play in a really good custom server, it's way more difficult to kill people, much less air mail. It's all in the way you play. A lot of PUB'ers (especially stereotypical low-level players) are really predictable in their movements. The higher level players usually pull out their automatics and it's a good counter. Personally, (and I've said this before) that the AoE is still the problem in mid-air. I love the Plasma gun, but to be getting 400/500 dmg for mid-airing and the outside part of the plasma hits the outside of the hitbox? That's kind of silly. The AoE while people are on the ground is way different.
Fri May 04, 2012 12:58 pm

sparkest Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm Posts: 1425	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. I'd say its been nerfed to the point where it is equivalent or only slightly better than the SMGs in the game. Granted, SMGs are OP and should be brought down a bit. I'd support the following minor nerfs to put the plasma in a good place. 1.) Remove air mail accolades. It doesn't deserve them. 2.) Slow down the projectile a little more. Its just a little too fast for the size of its hitbox and that its a splash weapon. 10-20% should be good. 3.) Remove or greatly reduce the screen shaking. Its too easy to lock down a heavy with screen shaking from this weapon. Not being able to fight back is not fun. I don't support a DPS reduction since that will really hurt the weapon's indoor capabilities. I think that only its outdoor dueling abilities are overly strong, and given that the design of the weapon was one with a large hitbox, its best handled by a projectile speed reduction.
Fri May 04, 2012 1:45 pm

Coloradoguy234 Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:26 pm Posts: 178 Location: Colorado	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. FluffyRabbit wrote: You need less QQ more pew pew. It's fine. I can normally best any PG users. (Unless they're beasts). This guys got it. Its fine , quit beating the dead horse.
Fri May 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Banock Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am Posts: 47	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. I haven't even seen the plasma lately to see if its OP or not. All the raiders I run into are using their new automatic 100% of the time.
Fri May 04, 2012 4:42 pm

rekrn123 Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 am Posts: 1089	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. Think of it like this though. What other weapon in the game besides the like chaingun has a 5000 damage potential before having to reload. That means you can kill any heavy and still miss 50% of your shots without having to reload. Can kill a light 5 times over without having to reload. The threshold for error and still being successful is way to high. Cutting max clip to 4-5 would be a good start. Would probably still need more nerfs after that. Plasma gun is equal in balance to what the chaingun would be if every bullet had twice the hitbox and exploded like a spinfusor. I don't understand how people can think it is even remotely balanced unless they do nothing but use it. Even then they would have to realize that there is a serious problem going on.
Fri May 04, 2012 7:56 pm

Angelo57 Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 2:15 am Posts: 8	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. As an avid HATER of the plasma gun i really think it needs to have its knock back and splash damage toned down but that's more just my hate of the gun. My not hate filled problem with the gun is that it just plain doesn't belong on the raider at all because it should be on the solider. rekrn123 wrote: Plasma gun is equal in balance to what the chaingun would be if every bullet had twice the hitbox and exploded like a spinfusor. I don't understand how people can think it is even remotely balanced unless they do nothing but use it. Even then they would have to realize that there is a serious problem going on. Also this^
Fri May 04, 2012 10:48 pm

Yodogg Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am Posts: 82	Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs. I have the plasma but it makes me feel like a dirty w**** when I use it... so I just don't. Please reduce the damage on the weapon.
Sat May 05, 2012 2:24 am

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Wylf

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:38 pm
Posts: 2882
Location: Germany

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

Necro-File wrote:

Wylf wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's always been 10 : o

Maybe it is/was bugged in practice mode? Seems like an odd bug though.

When you're actually in a match (remember, I don't have it unlocked yet, just used it in practice) does it show your reserve ammo count? Because it doesn't in practice mode. Until I ran out of ammo, I thought the thing had unlimited mags.

It does show it, just on a strange spot:

_________________
Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint!
Und das mit Recht; denn alles, was entsteht,
ist wert, daß es zugrunde geht;
Drum besser wär's, daß nichts entstünde.
So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde,
Zerstörung, kurz, das Böse nennt,
mein eigentliches Element.

Fri May 04, 2012 12:28 pm

Necro-File

Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:31 pm
Posts: 1387
Steam Gamer Name: › The Cool Side of the Pillow

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

Ahhh... No wonder I missed it. It's position is odd and it's turned to the side.

_________________

Rock: "Nerf Paper, Scissors are balanced."
Flag Drag Sounds f*** ***, and I am a CHASER.

Fri May 04, 2012 12:34 pm

Wylf

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:38 pm
Posts: 2882
Location: Germany

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

It took me a while to find it myself

Fri May 04, 2012 12:36 pm

jonqdrums

Joined: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:57 pm
Posts: 53

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

I play Raider and use the Plasma Gun. When I play in pubs, it's real easy to air mail people. However, if you play in a really good custom server, it's way more difficult to kill people, much less air mail. It's all in the way you play. A lot of PUB'ers (especially stereotypical low-level players) are really predictable in their movements. The higher level players usually pull out their automatics and it's a good counter.

Personally, (and I've said this before) that the AoE is still the problem in mid-air. I love the Plasma gun, but to be getting 400/500 dmg for mid-airing and the outside part of the plasma hits the outside of the hitbox? That's kind of silly. The AoE while people are on the ground is way different.

Fri May 04, 2012 12:58 pm

sparkest

Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm
Posts: 1425

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

I'd say its been nerfed to the point where it is equivalent or only slightly better than the SMGs in the game. Granted, SMGs are OP and should be brought down a bit. I'd support the following minor nerfs to put the plasma in a good place.

1.) Remove air mail accolades. It doesn't deserve them.

2.) Slow down the projectile a little more. Its just a little too fast for the size of its hitbox and that its a splash weapon. 10-20% should be good.

3.) Remove or greatly reduce the screen shaking. Its too easy to lock down a heavy with screen shaking from this weapon. Not being able to fight back is not fun.

I don't support a DPS reduction since that will really hurt the weapon's indoor capabilities. I think that only its outdoor dueling abilities are overly strong, and given that the design of the weapon was one with a large hitbox, its best handled by a projectile speed reduction.

Fri May 04, 2012 1:45 pm

Coloradoguy234

Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:26 pm
Posts: 178
Location: Colorado

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

FluffyRabbit wrote:

You need less QQ more pew pew.

It's fine. I can normally best any PG users. (Unless they're beasts).

This guys got it.

Its fine , quit beating the dead horse.

Fri May 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Banock

Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 am
Posts: 47

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

I haven't even seen the plasma lately to see if its OP or not. All the raiders I run into are using their new automatic 100% of the time.

Fri May 04, 2012 4:42 pm

rekrn123

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 am
Posts: 1089

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

Think of it like this though. What other weapon in the game besides the like chaingun has a 5000 damage potential before having to reload. That means you can kill any heavy and still miss 50% of your shots without having to reload. Can kill a light 5 times over without having to reload. The threshold for error and still being successful is way to high. Cutting max clip to 4-5 would be a good start. Would probably still need more nerfs after that.

Plasma gun is equal in balance to what the chaingun would be if every bullet had twice the hitbox and exploded like a spinfusor.

I don't understand how people can think it is even remotely balanced unless they do nothing but use it. Even then they would have to realize that there is a serious problem going on.

Fri May 04, 2012 7:56 pm

Angelo57

Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 2:15 am
Posts: 8

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

As an avid HATER of the plasma gun i really think it needs to have its knock back and splash damage toned down but that's more just my hate of the gun. My not hate filled problem with the gun is that it just plain doesn't belong on the raider at all because it should be on the solider.

rekrn123 wrote:

Plasma gun is equal in balance to what the chaingun would be if every bullet had twice the hitbox and exploded like a spinfusor.

I don't understand how people can think it is even remotely balanced unless they do nothing but use it. Even then they would have to realize that there is a serious problem going on.

Also this^

Fri May 04, 2012 10:48 pm

Yodogg

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am
Posts: 82

Re: Plasma still needs more nerfs.

I have the plasma but it makes me feel like a dirty w**** when I use it... so I just don't. Please reduce the damage on the weapon.

Sat May 05, 2012 2:24 am

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