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TheAlgerian Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am Posts: 165	A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. Hi, I think we need some A B C D loadouts, like TF2 does. Example, you play INF mostly, you can customize your PTH loadouts A: Rhino smg, pistol, sticky nade etc B: Stealth spinfusor, Throwing Knives, Smoke nade etc C: Jackal, pistol, Smoke nade etc D: Anything else, you get the idea. So when you select your class, you can just quick select the loadout you currently need in one click. _________________
Thu May 03, 2012 10:42 am

LordOpeth Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:01 pm Posts: 648	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. Been discussed and hopefully will be impleneted soon. We got the numlock loadout selection at least. But still not too customizable. _________________ T1 - MrBungle T2 - (ZOC) MrBungle Why does allot here expcept dieng in big KABOOM glory but dont give honnor to the silent laser thro your head in air HS your dead ? -uFr49
Thu May 03, 2012 10:44 am

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. One way to allow for loadouts along with class selection could be bindable shifting keys. So if the defaults are [CTRL] and [SHIFT], you'd get something like [NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #1 [CTRL]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #2 [SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #3 [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #4 _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Thu May 03, 2012 11:02 am

TheAlgerian Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am Posts: 165	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. Elysiume wrote: One way to allow for loadouts along with class selection could be bindable shifting keys. So if the defaults are [CTRL] and [SHIFT], you'd get something like [NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #1 [CTRL]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #2 [SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #3 [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #4 I was also thinking of simples A B C D buttons above the character on class selection screen, but shifting keys would be welcome as well. Why not simply A+num3, B+num3 etc? LordOpeth wrote: Been discussed and hopefully will be impleneted soon. We got the numlock loadout selection at least. But still not too customizable. Well that's good news then _________________ Last edited by TheAlgerian on Thu May 03, 2012 11:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Thu May 03, 2012 11:09 am

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. It would be rebindable, so you'd be able to do whatever keys you wanted. You could even make it [1]+[NUM1], [2]+[NUM1], etc. It would allow quick loadout selection without actually going into the full class select menu. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Thu May 03, 2012 11:12 am

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. No, do not use modifier keys. Not ctrl, not shift, not alt, because every single one of those may be bound to another action. I don't want my shift key to toggle zoom when I'm getting a new loadout, for example. Instead, repeated presses of numpad 1-9 should cycle through class loadouts, or else use something like numpad+ to cycle through "banks" of the 1-9 keys. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
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DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. hvcterr wrote: No, do not use modifier keys. Not ctrl, not shift, not alt I agree. There are two ways to program the loadout hotkeys that would work properly... 1. Press Numpad key once to choose class Loadout 1, then hit the same key again to cycle through additional loadouts. E.g. Hit 6 once for TCN Loadout 1, 66 for TCN Loadout 2, 666 for TCN Loadout 3, or 6666 for TCN Loadout 4. Advantage: Each class only has 1 key so you can't get confused. Disadvantage: Have to hit the key many times, depending on how many loadout slots there are. This works well for 4 loadout slots, but not for 9 loadout slots. 2. Press Numpad key once to choose class, then hit the number of the loadout you want. E.g. Hit 8 for DMB, then hit 3 for Loadout 3. (defaults to Loadout 1 if no second key is pressed) Advantage: Regardless of which loadout you want you only tap the keyboard twice Disadvantage: If you hit the keys multiple times quickly you could confuse yourself and choose the wrong class. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much! Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu May 03, 2012 2:05 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Thu May 03, 2012 1:54 pm

irimi Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am Posts: 478	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. Or, you know, just limit it to 9 loadouts but make them completely customizable. You can still do class changes the long way for anything you didn't make a loadout for.
Thu May 03, 2012 1:56 pm

starlinvf Beta Tester Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am Posts: 1478	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. irimi wrote: Or, you know, just limit it to 9 loadouts but make them completely customizable. You can still do class changes the long way for anything you didn't make a loadout for. Thats not feasible for players who regularly swap classes as needed. Besides, its idiotic to limit yourself to 9 saves when theres 4+ solutions to solve that. _________________ "Even if it is just a gimmick, you can bet it'll be a crowd pleaser to see a player's feet kick up in the air and initiate a top down attack."
Thu May 03, 2012 3:14 pm

irimi Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am Posts: 478	Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style. starlinvf wrote: Thats not feasible for players who regularly swap classes as needed. Besides, its idiotic to limit yourself to 9 saves when theres 4+ solutions to solve that. Fair enough on the latter point. But I just meant to say, "There's a really simple way to do this without introducing any new fancy mechanics."
Thu May 03, 2012 3:24 pm

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TheAlgerian

Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am
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A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

Hi,

I think we need some A B C D loadouts, like TF2 does.
Example, you play INF mostly, you can customize your PTH loadouts
A: Rhino smg, pistol, sticky nade etc
B: Stealth spinfusor, Throwing Knives, Smoke nade etc
C: Jackal, pistol, Smoke nade etc
D: Anything else, you get the idea.

So when you select your class, you can just quick select the loadout you currently need in one click.

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Thu May 03, 2012 10:42 am

LordOpeth

Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:01 pm
Posts: 648

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

Been discussed and hopefully will be impleneted soon.

We got the numlock loadout selection at least. But still not too customizable.

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T1 - MrBungle
T2 - (ZOC) MrBungle

Why does allot here expcept dieng in big KABOOM glory but dont give honnor to the silent laser thro your head in air HS your dead ? -uFr49

Thu May 03, 2012 10:44 am

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

One way to allow for loadouts along with class selection could be bindable shifting keys. So if the defaults are [CTRL] and [SHIFT], you'd get something like
[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #1
[CTRL]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #2
[SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #3
[CTRL]+[SHIFT]+[NUM3] -> Infiltrator on loadout #4

_________________
100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Thu May 03, 2012 11:02 am

TheAlgerian

Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am
Posts: 165

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

Elysiume wrote:

I was also thinking of simples A B C D buttons above the character on class selection screen, but shifting keys would be welcome as well.

Why not simply A+num3, B+num3 etc?

LordOpeth wrote:

Been discussed and hopefully will be impleneted soon.

We got the numlock loadout selection at least. But still not too customizable.

Well that's good news then

_________________

Last edited by TheAlgerian on Thu May 03, 2012 11:15 am, edited 1 time in total.

Thu May 03, 2012 11:09 am

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

It would be rebindable, so you'd be able to do whatever keys you wanted. You could even make it [1]+[NUM1], [2]+[NUM1], etc. It would allow quick loadout selection without actually going into the full class select menu.

_________________
100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Thu May 03, 2012 11:12 am

hvcterr

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am
Posts: 1567

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

No, do not use modifier keys. Not ctrl, not shift, not alt, because every single one of those may be bound to another action. I don't want my shift key to toggle zoom when I'm getting a new loadout, for example.

Instead, repeated presses of numpad 1-9 should cycle through class loadouts, or else use something like numpad+ to cycle through "banks" of the 1-9 keys.

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Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 pm

DibbzTheLoner

Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am
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Location: Australia
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Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

hvcterr wrote:

No, do not use modifier keys. Not ctrl, not shift, not alt

I agree.

There are two ways to program the loadout hotkeys that would work properly...

1. Press Numpad key once to choose class Loadout 1, then hit the same key again to cycle through additional loadouts.
E.g. Hit 6 once for TCN Loadout 1, 66 for TCN Loadout 2, 666 for TCN Loadout 3, or 6666 for TCN Loadout 4.

Advantage: Each class only has 1 key so you can't get confused.

Disadvantage: Have to hit the key many times, depending on how many loadout slots there are. This works well for 4 loadout slots, but not for 9 loadout slots.

2. Press Numpad key once to choose class, then hit the number of the loadout you want.
E.g. Hit 8 for DMB, then hit 3 for Loadout 3. (defaults to Loadout 1 if no second key is pressed)

Advantage: Regardless of which loadout you want you only tap the keyboard twice

Disadvantage: If you hit the keys multiple times quickly you could confuse yourself and choose the wrong class.

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Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu May 03, 2012 2:05 pm, edited 4 times in total.

Thu May 03, 2012 1:54 pm

irimi

Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am
Posts: 478

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

Or, you know, just limit it to 9 loadouts but make them completely customizable. You can still do class changes the long way for anything you didn't make a loadout for.

Thu May 03, 2012 1:56 pm

starlinvf

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Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:31 am
Posts: 1478

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

irimi wrote:

Or, you know, just limit it to 9 loadouts but make them completely customizable. You can still do class changes the long way for anything you didn't make a loadout for.

Thats not feasible for players who regularly swap classes as needed. Besides, its idiotic to limit yourself to 9 saves when theres 4+ solutions to solve that.

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Thu May 03, 2012 3:14 pm

irimi

Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am
Posts: 478

Re: A B C D loadouts, TF2 style.

starlinvf wrote:

Thats not feasible for players who regularly swap classes as needed. Besides, its idiotic to limit yourself to 9 saves when theres 4+ solutions to solve that.

Fair enough on the latter point. But I just meant to say, "There's a really simple way to do this without introducing any new fancy mechanics."

Thu May 03, 2012 3:24 pm

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