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Tramadolol Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 am Posts: 610	LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... ... to just get rid of this mechanic already. It's completely unfun and unintuitive. Not to mention that i'm basically forced to use a third-party-program like AutoHotKey to squeeze the highest possible damage out of this gun. It's a cheap and ugly solution to a problem that shouldn't even be there in the first place. So please, just allow us to keep mouse1 pressed. Pretty please? With Sugar ontop?! My mouse is begging you. It's already showing signs of wearing down. It's really not an unreasonable request which has been suggested before. I also assume that with a fixed rate of fire, balancing the gun would be alot easier. No more, "the faster you click, the more damage you do!". Thanks for reading and god bless.
Tue May 01, 2012 5:30 pm

Jeradox Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:52 pm Posts: 1455	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... your solution is what people call "cheating" I would delete your post before someone with a ban stick walks by and reads it.
Tue May 01, 2012 5:35 pm

Tramadolol Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 am Posts: 610	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Jeradox wrote: your solution is what people call "cheating" I would delete your post before someone with a ban stick walks by and reads it. Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards.
Tue May 01, 2012 5:36 pm

Yodogg Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am Posts: 82	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Tramadolol wrote: Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards. Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me.
Tue May 01, 2012 5:44 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Leaving aside the issue of exactly how (il)licit such programs are, the game ought to be designed so that there's no benefit to having them, either by making capping the fire rate so low that it doesn't matter, or else offering hold-to-repeat functionality. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Tue May 01, 2012 6:12 pm

Yodogg Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am Posts: 82	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... hvcterr wrote: Leaving aside the issue of exactly how (il)licit such programs are, the game ought to be designed so that there's no benefit to having them, either by making capping the fire rate so low that it doesn't matter, or else offering hold-to-repeat functionality. Bingo.
Tue May 01, 2012 6:21 pm

Wobberjockey Beta Tester Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:30 am Posts: 8726 Location: In a handbasket, heading somewhere	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Yodogg wrote: Tramadolol wrote: Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards. Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me. consider that most 'gaming' mice/peripherals can do the exact same thing in their on board firmware. by the time the signal hits the USB port, it's the exact same as an unmodified signal. AKA undetectable. it's something that you can't effectively stop. the programming man power necessary to stop it would be huge for the result. you may as well call out a tank division to go hunt deer. valve tried to circumvent this for years, and in the end, caved and made it a feature. it just wasn't worth the effort, and leveled the playing field for those who payed for a fancy mouse and those who didn't AHK isn't stupid. not coding this directly into the game and necessitating AHK is _________________ original art at http://tinyurl.com/shazbotsig The Tribes READ ME. Quite possibly the most important thread you'll never read
Tue May 01, 2012 6:25 pm

Yodogg Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am Posts: 82	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Wobberjockey wrote: Yodogg wrote: Tramadolol wrote: Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards. Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me. consider that most 'gaming' mice/peripherals can do the exact same thing in their on board firmware. by the time the signal hits the USB port, it's the exact same as an unmodified signal. AKA undetectable. it's something that you can't effectively stop. the programming man power necessary to stop it would be huge for the result. you may as well call out a tank division to go hunt deer. valve tried to circumvent this for years, and in the end, caved and made it a feature. it just wasn't worth the effort, and leveled the playing field for those who payed for a fancy mouse and those who didn't AHK isn't stupid. not coding this directly into the game and necessitating AHK is I wasn't saying AHK was stupid, but I see your point in that it would be extremely hard to actually monitor. It's just that if HiRez doesn't care about people using AHK they should just implement a way for enabling it in game, and making a (very short) hard-cap for the maximum rate of fire you can achieve with the LAR. What percentage of players do you think would actually go to the extent of making an AHK script for something like that? Most people don't read game forums or are even aware that scripting like that is even possible. For me it's just an issue of unfair advantage. edit: I agree with everything you said.
Tue May 01, 2012 6:33 pm

JoshuaWaller Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:50 am Posts: 264	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Yodogg wrote: hvcterr wrote: Leaving aside the issue of exactly how (il)licit such programs are, the game ought to be designed so that there's no benefit to having them, either by making capping the fire rate so low that it doesn't matter, or else offering hold-to-repeat functionality. Bingo. I like a different approach, add an overheat to the weapon. Fire too many bursts too fast, and the weapon becomes unusable for several seconds. Allowing a brief moment between bursts would prevent the weapon from overheating. It would make the click to fire a bit more intuitive, would stress controlled bursts, and would still allow a bit of the "spray and pray" if someone's frantically trying to get that last sliver of health down. ... in my opinion.
Tue May 01, 2012 6:38 pm

WitchDoctorVega Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am Posts: 2482 Location: On the coast, NH Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..	Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time... Yodogg wrote: hvcterr wrote: Leaving aside the issue of exactly how (il)licit such programs are, the game ought to be designed so that there's no benefit to having them, either by making capping the fire rate so low that it doesn't matter, or else offering hold-to-repeat functionality. Bingo. _________________ CYBRIDS 4 LYF! Metagens 4 ever!
Tue May 01, 2012 6:41 pm

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Tramadolol

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 am
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LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

... to just get rid of this mechanic already. It's completely unfun and unintuitive.

Not to mention that i'm basically forced to use a third-party-program like AutoHotKey to squeeze the highest possible damage out of this gun. It's a cheap and ugly solution to a problem that shouldn't even be there in the first place.

So please, just allow us to keep mouse1 pressed. Pretty please? With Sugar ontop?!
My mouse is begging you. It's already showing signs of wearing down.
It's really not an unreasonable request which has been suggested before.

I also assume that with a fixed rate of fire, balancing the gun would be alot easier.
No more, "the faster you click, the more damage you do!".

Thanks for reading and god bless.

Tue May 01, 2012 5:30 pm

Jeradox

Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:52 pm
Posts: 1455

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

your solution is what people call "cheating" I would delete your post before someone with a ban stick walks by and reads it.

Tue May 01, 2012 5:35 pm

Tramadolol

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 am
Posts: 610

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Jeradox wrote:

your solution is what people call "cheating" I would delete your post before someone with a ban stick walks by and reads it.

Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards.

Tue May 01, 2012 5:36 pm

Yodogg

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am
Posts: 82

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Tramadolol wrote:

Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards.

Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me.

Tue May 01, 2012 5:44 pm

hvcterr

Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am
Posts: 1567

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Leaving aside the issue of exactly how (il)licit such programs are, the game ought to be designed so that there's no benefit to having them, either by making capping the fire rate so low that it doesn't matter, or else offering hold-to-repeat functionality.

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Tue May 01, 2012 6:12 pm

Yodogg

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am
Posts: 82

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

hvcterr wrote:

Bingo.

Tue May 01, 2012 6:21 pm

Wobberjockey

Beta Tester

Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:30 am
Posts: 8726
Location: In a handbasket, heading somewhere

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Yodogg wrote:

Tramadolol wrote:

Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards.

Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me.

consider that most 'gaming' mice/peripherals can do the exact same thing in their on board firmware. by the time the signal hits the USB port, it's the exact same as an unmodified signal. AKA undetectable.

it's something that you can't effectively stop. the programming man power necessary to stop it would be huge for the result. you may as well call out a tank division to go hunt deer.

valve tried to circumvent this for years, and in the end, caved and made it a feature. it just wasn't worth the effort, and leveled the playing field for those who payed for a fancy mouse and those who didn't

AHK isn't stupid.
not coding this directly into the game and necessitating AHK is

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Tue May 01, 2012 6:25 pm

Yodogg

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:53 am
Posts: 82

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Wobberjockey wrote:

Yodogg wrote:

Tramadolol wrote:

Yea, except that AutoHotKey is well known and not considered cheating by HiRez standards.

Which is stupid because it's a third party program that artificially augments your gameplay. Seems like cheating to me.

I wasn't saying AHK was stupid, but I see your point in that it would be extremely hard to actually monitor. It's just that if HiRez doesn't care about people using AHK they should just implement a way for enabling it in game, and making a (very short) hard-cap for the maximum rate of fire you can achieve with the LAR. What percentage of players do you think would actually go to the extent of making an AHK script for something like that? Most people don't read game forums or are even aware that scripting like that is even possible. For me it's just an issue of unfair advantage.

edit: I agree with everything you said.

Tue May 01, 2012 6:33 pm

JoshuaWaller

Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:50 am
Posts: 264

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Yodogg wrote:

hvcterr wrote:

Bingo.

I like a different approach, add an overheat to the weapon. Fire too many bursts too fast, and the weapon becomes unusable for several seconds. Allowing a brief moment between bursts would prevent the weapon from overheating.

It would make the click to fire a bit more intuitive, would stress controlled bursts, and would still allow a bit of the "spray and pray" if someone's frantically trying to get that last sliver of health down.

... in my opinion.

Tue May 01, 2012 6:38 pm

WitchDoctorVega

Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am
Posts: 2482
Location: On the coast, NH
Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..

Re: LAR & Click-to-Fire. HiRez, it's time...

Yodogg wrote:

hvcterr wrote:

Bingo.

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Tue May 01, 2012 6:41 pm

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