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TEowner Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:48 pm Posts: 13	AP grenade radius question Well this is different an actual question that doesn't moan about something being OP My question is this how much smaller is a fully upgraded AP grenade radius than an XL fully upgraded? With safety third on both of them that is. Are they worth the Exp? I play Jugg & soldier pretty much exclusively Also Proximity mines for SLD Y/N
Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:37 am

raqyee Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:52 am Posts: 1914	Re: AP grenade radius question Just try them in Training and see it for yourself. Also, Proximity Mines - No (edit: changed my mind, they're pretty good apparently) _________________ Feel free to add me on steam \| Member of conclave.cc Last edited by raqyee on Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:53 am

wooser Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm Posts: 695	Re: AP grenade radius question They're not mines, they're just grenades. Which is why they suck. They deal only 550 damage and their only purpose is to for some reason mid-air people with a grenade at short range instead of going for a blue plate. Radius upgrades are often very very small increases and don't really mean much. I'm pretty sure the AP grenade has the same radius as the XL once fully upgraded, it deals more damage but doesn't have the +20% damage to armoured upgrade but instead +10% radius. Which puts it about even with both mastered. AP is mostly just better unless you want to grenade the enemy gen.
Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:17 am

knalldi Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 47	Re: AP grenade radius question As far as I've tested AP nades have same range as XL nades when fully upgraded. I personally like proximity nades with quickdraw for duelling purposes.
Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:44 am

OuchMyBoobies Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:32 pm Posts: 999 Location: Eastern US	Re: AP grenade radius question for ctf, the xl grenades would be more flexible as they deal a lot more damage to armored stuff (like generators). for tdm, it's up to you: is the 200 extra damage (1300 vs 1100) worth 42,000 xp? i don't think the radius difference matters that much. it's something i would get once i unlocked everything else i wanted and had 42,000 xp burning a hole in my pocket, you know?
Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:52 am

m4risa Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 am Posts: 217	Re: AP grenade radius question AP > XL > Proximity _________________ Marisa
Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:53 am

usdaofcourse Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:34 am Posts: 67	Re: AP grenade radius question For the love of all that is holy, please help me with this exact question. Instead of creating a new topic, I actually used the search button and actually found this pre-existing thread. So I'm posting in it. Just like the original poster asked I'm wondering about the Soldier's grenade choices, particularly the radius of the XL and AP grenades when fully upgraded and including Safety Third. I see people have posted DIFFERENT AND CONFLICTING STATEMENTS and seek clarification. But see, the real question is, - what is the exact radius of the XL Frag in meters and what is the radius of the AP grenade, even before any upgrades at all? This information should exist somewhere but I cannot find it for the life of me. I want to KNOW which grenade has a larger radius, if any, and precisely how large a difference it is before spending the 50k+xp on fully upgrading and unlocking AP nade. Anyone, please. It's killing me. I really want to get AP grenade if it's better - and I really DON'T WANT to blow 50kxp on a worthless nade. Please AND Thank you.
Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:27 pm

naokomoon Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:41 am Posts: 135	Re: AP grenade radius question I made a quick Video of grenade throws for you, basic results: AP hits harder closer to the center (1100XL vs 1300AP) XL will hit harder than AP at farther range (about 100+ (XL ~400, AP ~300)) XL has far greater knock back Radius Difference between the two is only a few feet - hardly noticeable in a fight. The radius of AP with Safety Third is about the same as XL without. Radius aside, the AP is a superior grenade against people (1 Hit kill against Mediums) while the XL will do a lot more damage to base assets. My suggestion: Buy AP ASAP, one you master it, buy Proxies (for funsies). http://youtu.be/sHiWfsMy2FQ Also verified for my own amusement - the detonation range for Proxy is not effected by Safety First (which I didn't think it would be, but it might have been nice). You should not make light of Proxies though; they are very powerful in the right hands and are a welcomed addition to the soldier's arsenal. They would be far more useful if their explosive AoE range was tuned back a bit as you are very likely to get nicked by them when using them against people. But if you know the damage you will take from them, use them with potential energy to keep yourself in the air longer (throw them at the baddies head and they will get knocked to the ground for a very quick Proxy + Spin combo kill or Shoot them in the air with a disc and Smack em in the face with a Proxy - they are very useful for those types of combos and people will cry OP when someone uses them well enough). Here is a video of how I use proxies. http://youtu.be/4EYlOVfmPX8 _________________ Last edited by naokomoon on Tue May 01, 2012 12:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:21 pm

TEowner Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:48 pm Posts: 13	Re: AP grenade radius question Cheers for the replies, Can't watch that vid just yet as I'm in classes but thanks I dropped some Exp and bought it as I've got Soldier and Jugg loadouts pretty sorted atm. Jugg- X1 Mortar Disks Soldier- Spin Eagle AP nades Utility pack Do you think SLD will get an update anytime soon would love a raider esque secondary (tho unlikely)
Tue May 01, 2012 8:40 am

usdaofcourse Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:34 am Posts: 67	Re: AP grenade radius question Naokomoon, Thanks for your completely useless video. I can go to Training and do the exact same thing. Do you know what I CAN'T do? Get an actual reply to my actual question. What are the radii of the 2x grenades in meters? Sorry to be so snarky but what the hell. How can NO ONE know this? Is this information super secret?!
Tue May 01, 2012 9:57 am

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TEowner

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:48 pm
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AP grenade radius question

Well this is different an actual question that doesn't moan about something being OP

My question is this how much smaller is a fully upgraded AP grenade radius than an XL fully upgraded? With safety third on both of them that is.

Are they worth the Exp? I play Jugg & soldier pretty much exclusively

Also Proximity mines for SLD Y/N

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:37 am

raqyee

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:52 am
Posts: 1914

Re: AP grenade radius question

Just try them in Training and see it for yourself.
Also, Proximity Mines - No (edit: changed my mind, they're pretty good apparently)

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Last edited by raqyee on Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:53 am

wooser

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm
Posts: 695

Re: AP grenade radius question

They're not mines, they're just grenades. Which is why they suck. They deal only 550 damage and their only purpose is to for some reason mid-air people with a grenade at short range instead of going for a blue plate.

Radius upgrades are often very very small increases and don't really mean much. I'm pretty sure the AP grenade has the same radius as the XL once fully upgraded, it deals more damage but doesn't have the +20% damage to armoured upgrade but instead +10% radius. Which puts it about even with both mastered. AP is mostly just better unless you want to grenade the enemy gen.

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:17 am

knalldi

Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:56 pm
Posts: 47

Re: AP grenade radius question

As far as I've tested AP nades have same range as XL nades when fully upgraded. I personally like proximity nades with quickdraw for duelling purposes.

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:44 am

OuchMyBoobies

Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:32 pm
Posts: 999
Location: Eastern US

Re: AP grenade radius question

for ctf, the xl grenades would be more flexible as they deal a lot more damage to armored stuff (like generators). for tdm, it's up to you: is the 200 extra damage (1300 vs 1100) worth 42,000 xp? i don't think the radius difference matters that much.

it's something i would get once i unlocked everything else i wanted and had 42,000 xp burning a hole in my pocket, you know?

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:52 am

m4risa

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 am
Posts: 217

Re: AP grenade radius question

AP > XL > Proximity

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:53 am

usdaofcourse

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:34 am
Posts: 67

Re: AP grenade radius question

For the love of all that is holy, please help me with this exact question.

Instead of creating a new topic, I actually used the search button and actually found this pre-existing thread. So I'm posting in it.

Just like the original poster asked I'm wondering about the Soldier's grenade choices, particularly the radius of the XL and AP grenades when fully upgraded and including Safety Third.

I see people have posted DIFFERENT AND CONFLICTING STATEMENTS and seek clarification.

But see, the real question is, - what is the exact radius of the XL Frag in meters and what is the radius of the AP grenade, even before any upgrades at all? This information should exist somewhere but I cannot find it for the life of me.

I want to KNOW which grenade has a larger radius, if any, and precisely how large a difference it is before spending the 50k+xp on fully upgrading and unlocking AP nade.

Anyone, please. It's killing me. I really want to get AP grenade if it's better - and I really DON'T WANT to blow 50kxp on a worthless nade.

Please AND Thank you.

Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:27 pm

naokomoon

Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:41 am
Posts: 135

Re: AP grenade radius question

I made a quick Video of grenade throws for you, basic results:

AP hits harder closer to the center (1100XL vs 1300AP)
XL will hit harder than AP at farther range (about 100+ (XL ~400, AP ~300))
XL has far greater knock back
Radius Difference between the two is only a few feet - hardly noticeable in a fight.
The radius of AP with Safety Third is about the same as XL without.

Radius aside, the AP is a superior grenade against people (1 Hit kill against Mediums) while the XL will do a lot more damage to base assets. My suggestion: Buy AP ASAP, one you master it, buy Proxies (for funsies).

http://youtu.be/sHiWfsMy2FQ

Also verified for my own amusement - the detonation range for Proxy is not effected by Safety First (which I didn't think it would be, but it might have been nice).

You should not make light of Proxies though; they are very powerful in the right hands and are a welcomed addition to the soldier's arsenal. They would be far more useful if their explosive AoE range was tuned back a bit as you are very likely to get nicked by them when using them against people. But if you know the damage you will take from them, use them with potential energy to keep yourself in the air longer (throw them at the baddies head and they will get knocked to the ground for a very quick Proxy + Spin combo kill or Shoot them in the air with a disc and Smack em in the face with a Proxy - they are very useful for those types of combos and people will cry OP when someone uses them well enough). Here is a video of how I use proxies.

http://youtu.be/4EYlOVfmPX8

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Last edited by naokomoon on Tue May 01, 2012 12:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:21 pm

TEowner

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:48 pm
Posts: 13

Re: AP grenade radius question

Cheers for the replies, Can't watch that vid just yet as I'm in classes but thanks I dropped some Exp and bought it as I've got Soldier and Jugg loadouts pretty sorted atm.

Jugg-
X1
Mortar
Disks

Soldier-
Spin
Eagle
AP nades
Utility pack

Do you think SLD will get an update anytime soon would love a raider esque secondary (tho unlikely)

Tue May 01, 2012 8:40 am

usdaofcourse

Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:34 am
Posts: 67

Re: AP grenade radius question

Naokomoon,

Thanks for your completely useless video. I can go to Training and do the exact same thing. Do you know what I CAN'T do? Get an actual reply to my actual question. What are the radii of the 2x grenades in meters?

Sorry to be so snarky but what the hell. How can NO ONE know this? Is this information super secret?!

Tue May 01, 2012 9:57 am

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