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PubFiction Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:22 am Posts: 992	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! The eagle pistol is not inferior because it simple does less damage or anything, it is inferior because it does not have the range, the whole point the ranger loadout is that giving up the spinfusor damage and lack of need to account for arc, and that gives you an accurate long range automatic. If you roll with the soldier you are essentially a short range player only. You can see this as most soldier prefer the "soldier loadout" in arena where the shorter range makes it superior to the ranger loadout. I do not think we should change it but buffing the eagle pistol will not change peoples mind unless that buff comes in the form of a smaller spread which makes it an accurate scan shot weapon.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:58 am

Melanious Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm Posts: 2007 Location: NA West	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! Agreed. Larger hit box for sure. The spinfuser shouldn't be splash damage only that's incredibly boring. I hate having to wait all day for someone to drop just to get a real shot in.. Most the time I'm wasting half my ammo shooting at people in the air seeing it cut them in half or get so close you wonder what the heck else it was except your disc hitting them. I do get 4-5 MAs a match and I don't see how people are satisfied with that. Spinfuser is an accurate exploding projectile.. going for splash damage only is such a disappointment to the gun in general. Shouldn't be anywhere near plasma size but seeing all the airmails off plasma (that's not only MAs but award just for the killing MA....) I'm pretty disappointed that they haven't addressed the miniscule hit box of the spinfuser. _________________ Unstoppable Mid Air Disks - NA West
Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:43 am

DemoEvolved Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am Posts: 2031	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! I played Soldier and Raider tonight. Raider in midfield D on CTF Soldier in C&H I gotta tell you, the soldier is a potent fighter with that disk. Yes it takes a bit longer to get the damage on the guy, but its a lot of damage. And the eagle is no slouch in damage or clip at ranges where the disk is used. The disk is also still great at busting turrets with sniping too. Better than plasma. I really like the disk the way it is. It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:47 am

Frostiken Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am Posts: 1045	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! DemoEvolved wrote: It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger. Define "way too easy", because nobody has yet to really argue what is so unspeakably terrible about midairs being able to be hit on a reliable, consistent basis, such that you don't do what everyone else does and simply spam them on the ground.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:07 am

sparkest Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm Posts: 1425	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! DemoEvolved wrote: It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger. perhaps hi-rez should make it so that midairs can only happen on headshots. that would make it harder and therefore up the skill ceiling right?
Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 am

Emrakul Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:01 am Posts: 191 Location: Runeterra	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder. Don't lower the skill cap.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:53 am

sparkest Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm Posts: 1425	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! Emrakul wrote: Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder. Don't lower the skill cap. if harder is automatically better, then why not make spinfusor MAs even harder? That would make the game more skillful right?
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:06 pm

KnockKnockJoke Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:13 am Posts: 129	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! Emrakul wrote: make other weapons harder. From what we have seen so far in the last updates that doesn't seem to be the road Hi-Rez is wanting to take...
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 pm

irimi Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am Posts: 478	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! sparkest wrote: Emrakul wrote: Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder. Don't lower the skill cap. if harder is automatically better, then why not make spinfusor MAs even harder? That would make the game more skillful right? strawman. that's not what he's saying at all (or anybody else besides you, in fact). Frostiken wrote: Define "way too easy", because nobody has yet to really argue what is so unspeakably terrible about midairs being able to be hit on a reliable, consistent basis, such that you don't do what everyone else does and simply spam them on the ground. Define "reliable, consistent basis" and provide proof that such isn't already the case right now. SkepticTA wrote: I've been saying this same thing for a long time. An increase to disc hitbox would allow for easier MAs without really affecting its use against grounded targets, making them a little more viable against autos. While a good point, I think the core of the disagreement lies somewhere underneath it: those who are advocating for bringing weapons down to the level of the spinfusor want the damage/killing in this game to slow down. Those who want to the spinfusor up to the level of autos are (knowingly or not) advocating for speeding it up. Personally, I think there's already way too much damage and powerful weapons in this game.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Frostiken Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am Posts: 1045	Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox! irimi wrote: Frostiken wrote: Define "way too easy", because nobody has yet to really argue what is so unspeakably terrible about midairs being able to be hit on a reliable, consistent basis, such that you don't do what everyone else does and simply spam them on the ground. Define "reliable, consistent basis" and provide proof that such isn't already the case right now. Oh look, here comes irimi with his broken record. We don't even need you, we just need a bot to post in every thread 'Oh yeah, PROVE IT SO THAT I BELIEVE IT'. You're growing boring. Every thread you stick your head in on you do this moronic thing where everyone has to prove themselves to you and you crassly deny everything that opposes your tiny worldview no matter what. Already proven that the spinfusor MAs are harder than in previous Tribes, where the hitbox was quite generous. Seriously, your first response to any challenge is 'Oh yeah, YOU prove it first!'. I've already stated the case for easier spinfusor MAs. If nobody has kicked your ass in real life for being a douchebag, they should. Last edited by Frostiken on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:42 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:34 pm

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PubFiction

Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:22 am
Posts: 992

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

The eagle pistol is not inferior because it simple does less damage or anything, it is inferior because it does not have the range, the whole point the ranger loadout is that giving up the spinfusor damage and lack of need to account for arc, and that gives you an accurate long range automatic. If you roll with the soldier you are essentially a short range player only. You can see this as most soldier prefer the "soldier loadout" in arena where the shorter range makes it superior to the ranger loadout.

I do not think we should change it but buffing the eagle pistol will not change peoples mind unless that buff comes in the form of a smaller spread which makes it an accurate scan shot weapon.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:58 am

Melanious

Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:22 pm
Posts: 2007
Location: NA West

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

Agreed. Larger hit box for sure. The spinfuser shouldn't be splash damage only that's incredibly boring. I hate having to wait all day for someone to drop just to get a real shot in.. Most the time I'm wasting half my ammo shooting at people in the air seeing it cut them in half or get so close you wonder what the heck else it was except your disc hitting them.

I do get 4-5 MAs a match and I don't see how people are satisfied with that. Spinfuser is an accurate exploding projectile.. going for splash damage only is such a disappointment to the gun in general. Shouldn't be anywhere near plasma size but seeing all the airmails off plasma (that's not only MAs but award just for the killing MA....) I'm pretty disappointed that they haven't addressed the miniscule hit box of the spinfuser.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:43 am

DemoEvolved

Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am
Posts: 2031

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

I played Soldier and Raider tonight.

Raider in midfield D on CTF
Soldier in C&H

I gotta tell you, the soldier is a potent fighter with that disk. Yes it takes a bit longer to get the damage on the guy, but its a lot of damage.
And the eagle is no slouch in damage or clip at ranges where the disk is used.
The disk is also still great at busting turrets with sniping too. Better than plasma.

I really like the disk the way it is. It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:47 am

Frostiken

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am
Posts: 1045

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

DemoEvolved wrote:

It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger.

Define "way too easy", because nobody has yet to really argue what is so unspeakably terrible about midairs being able to be hit on a reliable, consistent basis, such that you don't do what everyone else does and simply spam them on the ground.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:07 am

sparkest

Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm
Posts: 1425

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

DemoEvolved wrote:

It would be too easy to MA if the hitbox was bigger.

perhaps hi-rez should make it so that midairs can only happen on headshots. that would make it harder and therefore up the skill ceiling right?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 am

Emrakul

Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:01 am
Posts: 191
Location: Runeterra

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder.

Don't lower the skill cap.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:53 am

sparkest

Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm
Posts: 1425

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

Emrakul wrote:

Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder.

Don't lower the skill cap.

if harder is automatically better, then why not make spinfusor MAs even harder? That would make the game more skillful right?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:06 pm

KnockKnockJoke

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:13 am
Posts: 129

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

Emrakul wrote:

make other weapons harder.

From what we have seen so far in the last updates that doesn't seem to be the road Hi-Rez is wanting to take...

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 pm

irimi

Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:37 am
Posts: 478

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

sparkest wrote:

Emrakul wrote:

Don't make Spinfusors easier, make other weapons harder.

Don't lower the skill cap.

if harder is automatically better, then why not make spinfusor MAs even harder? That would make the game more skillful right?

strawman. that's not what he's saying at all (or anybody else besides you, in fact).

Frostiken wrote:

Define "reliable, consistent basis" and provide proof that such isn't already the case right now.

SkepticTA wrote:

I've been saying this same thing for a long time. An increase to disc hitbox would allow for easier MAs without really affecting its use against grounded targets, making them a little more viable against autos.

While a good point, I think the core of the disagreement lies somewhere underneath it: those who are advocating for bringing weapons down to the level of the spinfusor want the damage/killing in this game to slow down. Those who want to the spinfusor up to the level of autos are (knowingly or not) advocating for speeding it up.

Personally, I think there's already way too much damage and powerful weapons in this game.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:13 pm

Frostiken

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am
Posts: 1045

Re: Larger Spinfusor hitbox!

irimi wrote:

Frostiken wrote:

Define "reliable, consistent basis" and provide proof that such isn't already the case right now.

Oh look, here comes irimi with his broken record. We don't even need you, we just need a bot to post in every thread 'Oh yeah, PROVE IT SO THAT I BELIEVE IT'. You're growing boring. Every thread you stick your head in on you do this moronic thing where everyone has to prove themselves to you and you crassly deny everything that opposes your tiny worldview no matter what.

Already proven that the spinfusor MAs are harder than in previous Tribes, where the hitbox was quite generous.

Seriously, your first response to any challenge is 'Oh yeah, *YOU* prove it first!'. I've already stated the case for easier spinfusor MAs. If nobody has kicked your ass in real life for being a douchebag, they should.

Last edited by Frostiken on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:42 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:34 pm

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