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Icedaemon Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:30 am Posts: 221	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. I do not doubt what seems to be the community consensus, but during a game I played today as DMB, I could pretty reliably move out of the way of a raider's plasma shots. Was he just that bad then?
Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:50 pm

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 4888 Location: NA East	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. haque wrote: Plasma on the other hand right now, is. Gun is sick as faq, we can only hope they fix hitbox detection in the VERY least. Just looking at the numerical stats (DMG/ROF/DPS), it's obvious that it's better than any spinfusor in the game, before it has a higher projectile speed and larger hit box. I haven't even seen anything but the commercial for it, and I know that. HiRez isn't even trying to make balanced weapons. Side-grades LOL. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:59 pm

sfxer Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:38 pm Posts: 1328	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. Icedaemon wrote: I do not doubt what seems to be the community consensus, but during a game I played today as DMB, I could pretty reliably move out of the way of a raider's plasma shots. Was he just that bad then? yes. _________________ -- LgN\|sfxer - Team Legion - #Legion on irc.tribalwar.com - http://www.the-legion.net --
Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:02 pm

SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. Plasma does slightly less damage than a non-direct splash hit from a light spinfusor with a much higher RoF, appears to have zero/low inheritance, and has a huge projectile hitbox. I suspect that the hitbox is larger than the visual, I've had many shots land that should have narrowly missed. It is like having a rapid-fire LSF that shoots moving splash. This time around I can actually sympathize with the OP ragers, I used plasma for a few hours today and it took no time at all to get the murder train rolling. If they fix the massive hitbox that might just balance it out, they should try this before resorting to damage nerfs. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:20 pm

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 4888 Location: NA East	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. The hot fix helped the jackal a lot, but you mean to tell me you didn't see the overt power of air burst in this game? LOL _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:58 pm

Emrakul Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:01 am Posts: 191 Location: Runeterra	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. When they said Plasma Gun I got excited. Then I saw it was a radier weapon. Then I saw it was horribly overpowered. I have 65k xp right now, I'm going to spend it on the HBL when I get the 100k. I see no point in buying the Plasma gun because it will just feel like cheap kill after cheap kill, similar to the falcon or the x1.
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:06 pm

cutterjohn Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:18 pm Posts: 20	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. -AEnubis- wrote: Just looking at the numerical stats (DMG/ROF/DPS), it's obvious that it's better than any spinfusor in the game, before it has a higher projectile speed and larger hit box. It trades a higher dps for a smaller splash radius and less burst, and has next to no impulse to get you moving like a spinfusor. The thing is quite balanced if its not getting midairs constantly.
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:02 am

lawlertron Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:07 pm Posts: 517	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. haque wrote: There is literally NO reason to play Brute now... Now? Or ever? http://postimage.org/image/xj1rqxsxv/
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:19 am

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 4888 Location: NA East	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. cutterjohn wrote: It trades a higher dps for a smaller splash radius and less burst, and has next to no impulse to get you moving like a spinfusor. The thing is quite balanced if its not getting midairs constantly. With it's current projectile speed and rate of fire, it will still land more mid-airs than any SF/GL in the game if they fix the hit box. It shouldn't even be eligible for the air mail bonus. With it's damage and rof at current, it should probably have a 5 round clip, have a smaller hitbox, and falloff faster, as well as have more limited range, maybe shortening the reload so as not to murder the DPS(R). They basically made it comparable to the already slightly OP autos DPS wise, which are far easier to hit with, and as such should do less DPS. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:45 am

haque Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:53 am Posts: 383	Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage. lawlertron wrote: haque wrote: There is literally NO reason to play Brute now... Now? Or ever? http://postimage.org/image/xj1rqxsxv/ Unless he gets gear that's on par with the new Raiderp spamguns, never. _________________ patchnotes wrote: Voicepacks are now available to purchase.
Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:06 am

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Icedaemon

Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:30 am
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Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

I do not doubt what seems to be the community consensus, but during a game I played today as DMB, I could pretty reliably move out of the way of a raider's plasma shots. Was he just that bad then?

Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:50 pm

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
Posts: 4888
Location: NA East

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

haque wrote:

Plasma on the other hand right now, is. Gun is sick as faq, we can only hope they fix hitbox detection in the VERY least.

Just looking at the numerical stats (DMG/ROF/DPS), it's obvious that it's better than any spinfusor in the game, before it has a higher projectile speed and larger hit box.

I haven't even seen anything but the commercial for it, and I know that. HiRez isn't even trying to make balanced weapons. Side-grades LOL.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:59 pm

sfxer

Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:38 pm
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Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

Icedaemon wrote:

I do not doubt what seems to be the community consensus, but during a game I played today as DMB, I could pretty reliably move out of the way of a raider's plasma shots. Was he just that bad then?

yes.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:02 pm

SkepticTA

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm
Posts: 3062

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

Plasma does slightly less damage than a non-direct splash hit from a light spinfusor with a much higher RoF, appears to have zero/low inheritance, and has a huge projectile hitbox. I suspect that the hitbox is larger than the visual, I've had many shots land that should have narrowly missed. It is like having a rapid-fire LSF that shoots moving splash.

This time around I can actually sympathize with the OP ragers, I used plasma for a few hours today and it took no time at all to get the murder train rolling. If they fix the massive hitbox that might just balance it out, they should try this before resorting to damage nerfs.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:20 pm

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
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Location: NA East

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

The hot fix helped the jackal a lot, but you mean to tell me you didn't see the overt power of air burst in this game?

LOL

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:58 pm

Emrakul

Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:01 am
Posts: 191
Location: Runeterra

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

When they said Plasma Gun I got excited.
Then I saw it was a radier weapon.
Then I saw it was horribly overpowered.

I have 65k xp right now, I'm going to spend it on the HBL when I get the 100k. I see no point in buying the Plasma gun because it will just feel like cheap kill after cheap kill, similar to the falcon or the x1.

Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:06 pm

cutterjohn

Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:18 pm
Posts: 20

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

-AEnubis- wrote:

Just looking at the numerical stats (DMG/ROF/DPS), it's obvious that it's better than any spinfusor in the game, before it has a higher projectile speed and larger hit box.

It trades a higher dps for a smaller splash radius and less burst, and has next to no impulse to get you moving like a spinfusor. The thing is quite balanced if its not getting midairs constantly.

Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:02 am

lawlertron

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:07 pm
Posts: 517

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

haque wrote:

There is literally NO reason to play Brute now...

Now? Or ever?

http://postimage.org/image/xj1rqxsxv/

Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:19 am

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
Posts: 4888
Location: NA East

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

cutterjohn wrote:

It trades a higher dps for a smaller splash radius and less burst, and has next to no impulse to get you moving like a spinfusor. The thing is quite balanced if its not getting midairs constantly.

With it's current projectile speed and rate of fire, it will still land more mid-airs than any SF/GL in the game if they fix the hit box. It shouldn't even be eligible for the air mail bonus.

With it's damage and rof at current, it should probably have a 5 round clip, have a smaller hitbox, and falloff faster, as well as have more limited range, maybe shortening the reload so as not to murder the DPS(R).

They basically made it comparable to the already slightly OP autos DPS wise, which are far easier to hit with, and as such should do less DPS.

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Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:45 am

haque

Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:53 am
Posts: 383

Re: New Cluster Grenade vs Fractal RE: Gen Damage.

lawlertron wrote:

haque wrote:

There is literally NO reason to play Brute now...

Now? Or ever?

http://postimage.org/image/xj1rqxsxv/

Unless he gets gear that's on par with the new Raiderp spamguns, never.

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