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Tharnes Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 am Posts: 382	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier. Much like this: Falcon \| 1 \| Rhino \| 1 \| TCN4 \| 1 \| NJ4 \| 1 \| LAR \| 2 \| AR \| 2 \| X1 LMG \| 3 \| BXT1 R \| 3 \| Phase R\| 4 \| Chain \| 5 \| _________________ Last edited by Tharnes on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:50 pm

DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? Tharnes wrote: Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier. Thanks for the feedback. Could you illuminate the reasons behind your suggestions? I can kinda guess where you're coming from but I'm not sure. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!
Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Tharnes Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 am Posts: 382	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? DibbzTheLoner wrote: Tharnes wrote: Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier. Thanks for the feedback. Could you illuminate the reasons behind your suggestions? I can kinda guess where you're coming from but I'm not sure. Yes. Falcon \| 1 \| Rhino \| 1 \| TCN4 \| 1 \| NJ4 \| 1 \| LAR \| 2 \| AR \| 2 \| X1 LMG \| 3 \| BXT1 R \| 3 \| Phase R\| 4 \| Chain \| 5 \| The Pistols / Sec.: don't really need changes in my opinion, maybe after the autos got adjusted. Phase/BXT1: There is no reason to deal 100% hitscan damage to heavys (it's like shooting fish in a bowl), and they don't even need to work on heavys that well. Chaingun: Should be the most powerful auto in the game, right now it's outshined by every smg and the LMG. Well, it isn't going be even with Tier 5 AP, but it's a step in the right direction. The DMB needs the CG to fight of base invaders, regardless of the armor tier. LMG: Not sure about this, but I think the Jug needs some firepower. The Mortar/Disc/LMG combo is quite op, but heavys in general are just terrible... T3 seems to be okay. LAR/AR: These two weapons are quite weak right now and assault rifles should work better than SMGs against heavys. _________________
Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:13 pm

UniversalPie Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:01 pm Posts: 619 Location: GTA Ontario	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? Option #2 and Option #2 Any way we could get Hi-Rez to actually consider this? _________________
Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:17 pm

DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? UniversalPie wrote: Option #2 and Option #2 Any way we could get Hi-Rez to actually consider this? Thanks for the feedback VGRD As far as I can tell it's by pure fluke if a HiRez member so much as reads a forum thread... perhaps someone knows how to make it more likely but I don't really have a clue. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much! Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:35 pm

WitchDoctorVega Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am Posts: 2482 Location: On the coast, NH Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? i really, really like this idea. Oh, and Table # 2 is what i'd like to see. Sounds very balanced and its not over the top like 40% resist on mediums. _________________ CYBRIDS 4 LYF! Metagens 4 ever!
Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:51 pm

DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? WitchDoctorVega wrote: i really, really like this idea. Oh, and Table # 2 is what i'd like to see. Sounds very balanced and its not over the top like 40% resist on mediums. Thanks Vega ^^ And yeah, I wanted to keep this change as reasonable as possible, as going over the top just destroys the integrity of the "balance" this idea is aiming towards. ----------------------------------------------- @Tharnes I've adapted your suggestion into Weapon AP List option #3: Code: Weapon:\| AP: \| -------------- Falcon \| 1 \| Rhino \| 1 \| TCN4 \| 1 \| NJ4 \| 1 \| LAR \| 2 \| AR \| 3 \| X1 LMG \| 3 \| Phase R\| 4 \| BXT1 R \| 4 \| Chain \| 4 \| Sparrow\| 4 \| Eagle \| 4 \| AutoSG \| 4 \| Shotgun\| 4 \| Saw-Off\| 4 \| SN7 Sil\| 5 \| N Colt \| 5 \| N Blast\| 5 \| Knives \| 5 \| This option should satisfy your concerns, as with 4 AP the Chain Gun will still be very capable of fighting off offensive Heavies. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much! Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
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VoltCruelerz Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:50 pm Posts: 721	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? Aside from not understanding why the two sniper rifles are in different levels, I'd be fine with option 3. _________________
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DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? VoltCruelerz wrote: Aside from not understanding why the two sniper rifles are in different levels, I'd be fine with option 3. Hehe, VGRD, I wasn't really sure whether to put them in 3 or 4. On second thought splitting them might be a bit weird. I think I'll just place them both in 4 lol _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!
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blackchimes Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:07 am Posts: 1108	Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns? Yeah, because that's what X1/Disk/Potential Energy Jugs need. Another f*** buff.
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Tharnes

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 am
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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier.

Much like this:
Falcon | 1 |
Rhino | 1 |
TCN4 | 1 |
NJ4 | 1 |
LAR | 2 |
AR | 2 |
X1 LMG | 3 |
BXT1 R | 3 |
Phase R| 4 |
Chain | 5 |

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Last edited by Tharnes on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:50 pm

DibbzTheLoner

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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

Tharnes wrote:

Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier.

Thanks for the feedback.

Could you illuminate the reasons behind your suggestions? I can kinda guess where you're coming from but I'm not sure.

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:56 pm

Tharnes

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:36 am
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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

DibbzTheLoner wrote:

Tharnes wrote:

Much better now, but the CG needs to be in AP4/AP5, while the Sniperrifles should be around 3/4. The CG should be alone in AP5 tier.

Thanks for the feedback.

Could you illuminate the reasons behind your suggestions? I can kinda guess where you're coming from but I'm not sure.

Yes.

Falcon | 1 |
Rhino | 1 |
TCN4 | 1 |
NJ4 | 1 |
LAR | 2 |
AR | 2 |
X1 LMG | 3 |
BXT1 R | 3 |
Phase R| 4 |
Chain | 5 |

The Pistols / Sec.: don't really need changes in my opinion, maybe after the autos got adjusted.

Phase/BXT1: There is no reason to deal 100% hitscan damage to heavys (it's like shooting fish in a bowl), and they don't even need to work on heavys that well.

Chaingun: Should be the most powerful auto in the game, right now it's outshined by every smg and the LMG. Well, it isn't going be even with Tier 5 AP, but it's a step in the right direction. The DMB needs the CG to fight of base invaders, regardless of the armor tier.

LMG: Not sure about this, but I think the Jug needs some firepower. The Mortar/Disc/LMG combo is quite op, but heavys in general are just terrible... T3 seems to be okay.

LAR/AR: These two weapons are quite weak right now and assault rifles should work better than SMGs against heavys.

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:13 pm

UniversalPie

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Location: GTA Ontario

Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

Option #2
and
Option #2

Any way we could get Hi-Rez to actually consider this?

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:17 pm

DibbzTheLoner

Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am
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Location: Australia
Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz

Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

UniversalPie wrote:

Option #2
and
Option #2

Any way we could get Hi-Rez to actually consider this?

Thanks for the feedback

VGRD
As far as I can tell it's by pure fluke if a HiRez member so much as reads a forum thread... perhaps someone knows how to make it more likely but I don't really have a clue.

Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:36 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:35 pm

WitchDoctorVega

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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

i really, really like this idea.

Oh, and Table # 2 is what i'd like to see. Sounds very balanced and its not over the top like 40% resist on mediums.

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:51 pm

DibbzTheLoner

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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

WitchDoctorVega wrote:

i really, really like this idea.

Oh, and Table # 2 is what i'd like to see. Sounds very balanced and its not over the top like 40% resist on mediums.

Thanks Vega ^^

And yeah, I wanted to keep this change as reasonable as possible, as going over the top just destroys the integrity of the "balance" this idea is aiming towards.

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@Tharnes I've adapted your suggestion into Weapon AP List option #3:

Code:

Weapon:| AP: |
--------------
Falcon |  1  |
Rhino  |  1  |
TCN4   |  1  |
NJ4    |  1  |
LAR    |  2  |
AR     |  3  |
X1 LMG |  3  |
Phase R|  4  |
BXT1 R |  4  |
Chain  |  4  |
Sparrow|  4  |
Eagle  |  4  |
AutoSG |  4  |
Shotgun|  4  |
Saw-Off|  4  |
SN7 Sil|  5  |
N Colt |  5  |
N Blast|  5  |
Knives |  5  |

This option should satisfy your concerns, as with 4 AP the Chain Gun will still be very capable of fighting off offensive Heavies.

Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:24 am, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:12 pm

VoltCruelerz

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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

Aside from not understanding why the two sniper rifles are in different levels, I'd be fine with option 3.

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:18 am

DibbzTheLoner

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Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

VoltCruelerz wrote:

Aside from not understanding why the two sniper rifles are in different levels, I'd be fine with option 3.

Hehe, VGRD, I wasn't really sure whether to put them in 3 or 4. On second thought splitting them might be a bit weird. I think I'll just place them both in 4 lol

Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:24 am

blackchimes

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Posts: 1108

Re: [Idea/Balance] Armour Penetration stat/rating on guns?

Yeah, because that's what X1/Disk/Potential Energy Jugs need. Another f*** buff.

Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:51 am

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