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Tamburlaine Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am Posts: 1859	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance vifoxe wrote: Of course, if we had proper physics then we wouldn't have this issue. That sentence there is by far the most important part of your post. Unlikely as it is, I'd rather see physics and energy issues worked out than see the map changed to compensate for the funky physics and weak jetpacks. Even though I advocated for a conduit to the stand... _________________ oh god where does this link go how did it get here I am not good with computer
Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:56 pm

vifoxe Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm Posts: 554	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance so do I, but in all honesty what's more likely to change? If they're not going to fix the game, they're going to have to fix the maps.
Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Kaffein Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:33 am Posts: 89	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance Map seems good but there are a few issues right off the bat... No rocket turret. The dip before the ramp of each base is not much of a dip compared to the T1 version of the map. Inside the base there used to be two ledges to the left and right that accepted turrets; There is no ledge there now. (Highest floor) The base roof details might annoy some. I like that you can see in the base from the roof. _________________ i5 760 Quadcore @ 3.4GHz \| 8GB Mem \| HD6950 2GB @ 1920x1080 w/ Cat. 13.1 \| WIN 7 Pro 64bit \| (3DMark11 OK)
Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:30 pm

sparkest Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm Posts: 1425	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance The vertical terrain scaling is way off, especially in the midfield. The center canyon is way way too deep (like 3x too much) & too smooth. It needs a bunch more small bumps and moguls instead of these large perfectly smooth hills. Cut the vertical scaling (by a lot) & let Kate have a pass at making the terrain more like TDM Katabatic and TDM Inferno, and it'll be a superb map.
Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:00 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance Great map. Well done. The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for? Maybe you can just punch a hole right through that and make it a risky back-route opportunity?
Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:02 pm

Newmz Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:44 pm Posts: 5059 Steam Gamer Name: newmz.tw	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance eureus wrote: Great map. Well done. The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for? Maybe you can just punch a hole right through that and make it a risky back-route opportunity? destructible wall that rebuilds itself? sounds like fun. _________________ list of common GA abbreviations COMPLAIN ABOUT BAD SMITE TEAMS HERE HiRezErez wrote: Think of all the people who like to troll sitting in chat instead of in your match
Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:10 pm

Monathin Joined: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:25 pm Posts: 6	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance Played this map a few times, turtling a serious issue considering that the wonky physics mean routes aren't nearly as fast as they should be, and there's no way to pull off back to fronts or front to backs, limiting cap routes. A brute in the generator room and a doombringer on the flag stand shuts down pretty much all but the most concentrated of efforts, and that's without taking into account good sens being able to shut down cappers that get aaway and the usual myriad of technicians dropping turrets where-ever they can. It's a faithful straight port, but with the myriad of unresolved issues in the game already (the power of Ascend weaponry on an old school map, and the weakness of disc jumping/jetpacks) it's extremely heavily skewed towards Defense, which makes for extremely boring games.
Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:23 pm

KineticFlow Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm Posts: 58	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance I don't have nostalgia goggle on I'm afraid. Well it might grow on me, but right now my reaction is: one entrance to gen room??! In pub matches this is far from ideal imho. Also: very hard to get to the flag stand as super-heavy DMB, but what's new? :p _________________ My hand's on a gun and I find the range; God tempts me What did you say? Think I'm passing out. ~ Porcupine Tree, Anesthetize
Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:45 pm

KineticFlow Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm Posts: 58	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance eureus wrote: The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for? Hiding from the incessant rain of tactical strikes. (Or sometimes baking you in the oven, if there's a JUG on the hill or a RDR or INF on the roof.) _________________ My hand's on a gun and I find the range; God tempts me What did you say? Think I'm passing out. ~ Porcupine Tree, Anesthetize Last edited by KineticFlow on Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:49 pm

vifoxe Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm Posts: 554	Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance I'm starting to think that the scale is a bit too big. It literally feels 20% bigger than before. Is T:A 1:1 or 2:1 uu?
Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:55 pm

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Tamburlaine

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am
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Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

vifoxe wrote:

Of course, if we had proper physics then we wouldn't have this issue.

That sentence there is by far the most important part of your post. Unlikely as it is, I'd rather see physics and energy issues worked out than see the map changed to compensate for the funky physics and weak jetpacks.

Even though I advocated for a conduit to the stand...

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:56 pm

vifoxe

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm
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Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

so do I, but in all honesty what's more likely to change? If they're not going to fix the game, they're going to have to fix the maps.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Kaffein

Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:33 am
Posts: 89

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

Map seems good but there are a few issues right off the bat...

No rocket turret.
The dip before the ramp of each base is not much of a dip compared to the T1 version of the map.
Inside the base there used to be two ledges to the left and right that accepted turrets; There is no ledge there now. (Highest floor)
The base roof details might annoy some.

I like that you can see in the base from the roof.

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:30 pm

sparkest

Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:04 pm
Posts: 1425

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

The vertical terrain scaling is way off, especially in the midfield. The center canyon is way way too deep (like 3x too much) & too smooth. It needs a bunch more small bumps and moguls instead of these large perfectly smooth hills. Cut the vertical scaling (by a lot) & let Kate have a pass at making the terrain more like TDM Katabatic and TDM Inferno, and it'll be a superb map.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:00 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

Great map. Well done.
The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for?
Maybe you can just punch a hole right through that and make it a risky back-route opportunity?

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:02 pm

Newmz

Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:44 pm
Posts: 5059
Steam Gamer Name: newmz.tw

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

eureus wrote:

Great map. Well done.
The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for?
Maybe you can just punch a hole right through that and make it a risky back-route opportunity?

destructible wall that rebuilds itself? sounds like fun.

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HiRezErez wrote:

Think of all the people who like to troll sitting in chat instead of in your match

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:10 pm

Monathin

Joined: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:25 pm
Posts: 6

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

Played this map a few times, turtling a serious issue considering that the wonky physics mean routes aren't nearly as fast as they should be, and there's no way to pull off back to fronts or front to backs, limiting cap routes. A brute in the generator room and a doombringer on the flag stand shuts down pretty much all but the most concentrated of efforts, and that's without taking into account good sens being able to shut down cappers that get aaway and the usual myriad of technicians dropping turrets where-ever they can.

It's a faithful straight port, but with the myriad of unresolved issues in the game already (the power of Ascend weaponry on an old school map, and the weakness of disc jumping/jetpacks) it's extremely heavily skewed towards Defense, which makes for extremely boring games.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:23 pm

KineticFlow

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm
Posts: 58

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

I don't have nostalgia goggle on I'm afraid.

Well it might grow on me, but right now my reaction is: one entrance to gen room??!
In pub matches this is far from ideal imho.

Also: very hard to get to the flag stand as super-heavy DMB, but what's new? :p

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My hand's on a gun and I find the range; God tempts me
What did you say? Think I'm passing out.
~ Porcupine Tree, Anesthetize

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:45 pm

KineticFlow

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm
Posts: 58

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

eureus wrote:

The only thing I don't get is that little room behind the flag. What's it for?

Hiding from the incessant rain of tactical strikes.

(Or sometimes baking you in the oven, if there's a JUG on the hill or a RDR or INF on the roof.)

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My hand's on a gun and I find the range; God tempts me
What did you say? Think I'm passing out.
~ Porcupine Tree, Anesthetize

Last edited by KineticFlow on Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:49 pm

vifoxe

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:57 pm
Posts: 554

Re: Map Feedback - CTF Raindance

I'm starting to think that the scale is a bit too big. It literally feels 20% bigger than before. Is T:A 1:1 or 2:1 uu?

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:55 pm