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Tamburlaine Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am Posts: 1859	Re: Falcon (Sent) The bullets move at the same speed as those of comparable weapons. The chaingun, LAR, and... f***, there's one other one... the silenced pistol? I think it's the silenced pistol. Those ones have slower bullets. And the pew-pew blaster, of course. But not the falcon. _________________ oh god where does this link go how did it get here I am not good with computer
Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:02 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Falcon (Sent) Litego wrote: Thing is, the only snipers that are a threat and people bother to go for are really good players. So when the noob goes for the pro sniper and gets owned by an inferior weapon, that weapon has to be OP. sparkest wrote: it is objectively one of the worst automatics in the game. [...] the problem is most players play stupidly. There have been lots of times where i've had someone miss a backstab, then fly lazily above my head at close range as they wait for me to land so they can spinfusor me. This is completely the wrong thing to do ^These For crying out loud, people, you know it's a sniper from all the rifle-trails they're emitting, and you know that it is impossible for them to have any splash-damage weaponry (outside grenades) so why do you keep floating over all the time? _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:07 pm

SxxyKate Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:23 am Posts: 1614 Location: California	Re: Falcon (Sent) hvcterr wrote: Litego wrote: Thing is, the only snipers that are a threat and people bother to go for are really good players. So when the noob goes for the pro sniper and gets owned by an inferior weapon, that weapon has to be OP. sparkest wrote: it is objectively one of the worst automatics in the game. [...] the problem is most players play stupidly. There have been lots of times where i've had someone miss a backstab, then fly lazily above my head at close range as they wait for me to land so they can spinfusor me. This is completely the wrong thing to do ^These For crying out loud, people, you know it's a sniper from all the trails they're shooting, and you know they have absolutely no splash-damage weaponry, so why do you keep floating all the time? cuz dey bad n dey 2 edumacated and learn2 play _________________ SexyKate's Youtube Channel Clicky! Dueling Theory 101 : a beginner's guide to dueling in T:A
Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:11 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Falcon (Sent) Meh... I want to see melee buffed. I survive being surprise-meleed so much that it's sort of sad, because they often deserve those kills. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:14 pm

LagoonSeven Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:16 pm Posts: 421	Re: Falcon (Sent) SxxyKate wrote: why dont you carry automatics? do u carry spinfusor and thumper dx together? maybe MIRV and heavy spinfusor? lol Playing T:A, Not carrying a balanced loadout of burst damage and dps automatics for duels, ISHYGDDT Since you seem to love insults and not saying anything constructive, im not gonna hold back either, cept il just say it right out instead of implying it. You sound like a idiot. I mean, what the f* do you think JUG's and SLD's start with? they start with mortar/MKD and AR/thumper. Which gun do you think they are gonna buy first? For jug i can tell you flat out that its gonna be the MIRV, as anyone who actually uses a jug primary is gonna want that unless indoors 24/7 (where they would still prioritize it over the X1 as they have no use for the X1 indoors). As for soldier, the 42k trademark spinfusor (cause the soldier's AR is pretty bad, and spin > thump) or the 100k pew pew pistol? Obvious choice. TONS of people are not going to have a "balanced loadout" for a very VERY long time. Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP. And people wonder why others get massively upset over XP rates. Also even if you had a "balanced loadout" that has nothing to do with the fact that the Falcon in its current iteration is much too strong as a secondary for a sniper class. SxxyKate wrote: its way easier for people to scream OP than for them to get better at the game and changing their tactics. they are so casual. lol SxxyKate wrote: just get better lol SxxyKate wrote: cuz dey bad n dey 2 edumacated and learn2 play Please actually contribute something. Your sounding like a terribly stupid idiot and a troll. I understand you disagree with me and others, but do so in a constructive way please. You haven't contributed a single thing in this entire topic. I remember reading some guy saying "ignore SxxyKate she is a troll" and thinking it was kind of mean of him to outright say that. Now i dont think that anymore sadly. This kind of elitist douchebaggery is almost as bad as consistent llama grabs... ...almost... Now back to the topic, I can't find the bullet speed charts for the life of me (if someone could, that would be nice), but i remember the differences being pretty miniscule (could be wrong, once again if someone has that data i would appreciate it). The advantages of the falcon far outweigh the negatives considering it is a secondary for a long ranged class that is supposed to have close range weakness. It simply comes down to the fact that the falcon gives the sniper d* good close range capabilities that he really shouldn't have. Although with the recent range nerf to snipers, I am feeling a little more forgiving of it, but i still personally feel that it needs some tweaking (im not talking huge stuff). I would love to know Hi-Rez's design philosophy behind this class... _________________
Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:22 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Falcon (Sent) LagoonSeven wrote: Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP. The elephant in the room here is the Rhino. That is, the Infiltrator's Rhino SMG. It is part of the basic loadout, it is in the same tier as the NJ4/TCN4, and goes with a class which should have no problem getting into range against a Sentinel... A Sentinel who has to spend 100k if he wants the Falcon, which is either the worst SMG/AR or the second-worst depending on how you look at things. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:32 pm

SxxyKate Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:23 am Posts: 1614 Location: California	Re: Falcon (Sent) somebody should've bought the preorder starter pack right when closed beta started lol cuz by the the time UI and Class overhaul rolled around, I had enough EXP (3bill?) to unlock just about everything. What I'm saying is, you should really buy some gold and boost, so you catch up and also support HiRez then you can haz balanced loadouts for every class. you might think i'm trolling, but im just saying the truth without all that sugarcoating _________________ SexyKate's Youtube Channel Clicky! Dueling Theory 101 : a beginner's guide to dueling in T:A
Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:42 pm

Oroibahazopi Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 pm Posts: 1139	Re: Falcon (Sent) LagoonSeven wrote: Since you seem to love insults and not saying anything constructive, im not gonna hold back either, cept il just say it right out instead of implying it. You sound like a idiot. I mean, what the f*** do you think JUG's and SLD's start with? they start with mortar/MKD and AR/thumper. ablablabla SLD's spinfusor does 910 dmg on a direct hit.
Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:47 pm

Tamburlaine Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am Posts: 1859	Re: Falcon (Sent) hvcterr wrote: LagoonSeven wrote: Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP. The elephant in the room here is the Rhino. Elly the eSports Elephant would like to remind people that the doombringer has a great automatic right away, too. So of the six classes with automatics (not including the LAR in this), four are unlocked right at the start. One of them is substantially weaker than the others (the AR). Of the locked automatics, one is the baller-ass LMG, and one is the falcon, which is comparable to the AR in many regards but is apparently overpowered by virtue of what class it is on. Therefore, Meta-Knight should be banned from competitive Smash Bros. Brawl. _________________ oh god where does this link go how did it get here I am not good with computer
Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:52 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Falcon (Sent) Tamburlaine wrote: Elly the eSports Elephant would like to remind people that the doombringer has a great automatic right away, too. Yeah, but slow Doombringers don't typically go into fights against a Falcon-wielding sniper _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
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Tamburlaine

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

The bullets move at the same speed as those of comparable weapons. The chaingun, LAR, and... f***, there's one other one... the silenced pistol? I think it's the silenced pistol. Those ones have slower bullets. And the pew-pew blaster, of course. But not the falcon.

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:02 pm

hvcterr

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

Litego wrote:

Thing is, the only snipers that are a threat and people bother to go for are really good players. So when the noob goes for the pro sniper and gets owned by an inferior weapon, that weapon has to be OP.

sparkest wrote:

it is objectively one of the worst automatics in the game. [...] the problem is most players play stupidly. There have been lots of times where i've had someone miss a backstab, then fly lazily above my head at close range as they wait for me to land so they can spinfusor me. This is completely the wrong thing to do

^These

For crying out loud, people, you know it's a sniper from all the rifle-trails they're emitting, and you know that it is impossible for them to have any splash-damage weaponry (outside grenades) so why do you keep floating over all the time?

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:07 pm

SxxyKate

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:23 am
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Re: Falcon (Sent)

hvcterr wrote:

Litego wrote:

sparkest wrote:

^These

For crying out loud, people, you know it's a sniper from all the trails they're shooting, and you know they have absolutely no splash-damage weaponry, so why do you keep floating all the time?

cuz dey bad n dey 2 edumacated and learn2 play

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:11 pm

hvcterr

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

Meh... I want to see melee buffed. I survive being surprise-meleed so much that it's sort of sad, because they often deserve those kills.

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:14 pm

LagoonSeven

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

SxxyKate wrote:

why dont you carry automatics? do u carry spinfusor and thumper dx together? maybe MIRV and heavy spinfusor? lol

Playing T:A,
Not carrying a balanced loadout of burst damage and dps automatics for duels,
ISHYGDDT

Since you seem to love insults and not saying anything constructive, im not gonna hold back either, cept il just say it right out instead of implying it.

You sound like a idiot. I mean, what the f*** do you think JUG's and SLD's start with? they start with mortar/MKD and AR/thumper. Which gun do you think they are gonna buy first? For jug i can tell you flat out that its gonna be the MIRV, as anyone who actually uses a jug primary is gonna want that unless indoors 24/7 (where they would still prioritize it over the X1 as they have no use for the X1 indoors). As for soldier, the 42k trademark spinfusor (cause the soldier's AR is pretty bad, and spin > thump) or the 100k pew pew pistol? Obvious choice. TONS of people are not going to have a "balanced loadout" for a very VERY long time. Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP.

And people wonder why others get massively upset over XP rates.

Also even if you had a "balanced loadout" that has nothing to do with the fact that the Falcon in its current iteration is much too strong as a secondary for a sniper class.

SxxyKate wrote:

its way easier for people to scream OP than for them to get better at the game and changing their tactics.

they are so casual. lol

SxxyKate wrote:

just get better lol

SxxyKate wrote:

cuz dey bad n dey 2 edumacated and learn2 play

Please actually contribute something. Your sounding like a terribly stupid idiot and a troll. I understand you disagree with me and others, but do so in a constructive way please. You haven't contributed a single thing in this entire topic. I remember reading some guy saying "ignore SxxyKate she is a troll" and thinking it was kind of mean of him to outright say that. Now i dont think that anymore sadly.

This kind of elitist douchebaggery is almost as bad as consistent llama grabs...

...almost...

Now back to the topic, I can't find the bullet speed charts for the life of me (if someone could, that would be nice), but i remember the differences being pretty miniscule (could be wrong, once again if someone has that data i would appreciate it). The advantages of the falcon far outweigh the negatives considering it is a secondary for a long ranged class that is supposed to have close range weakness. It simply comes down to the fact that the falcon gives the sniper d*** good close range capabilities that he really shouldn't have.

Although with the recent range nerf to snipers, I am feeling a little more forgiving of it, but i still personally feel that it needs some tweaking (im not talking huge stuff).

I would love to know Hi-Rez's design philosophy behind this class...

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:22 pm

hvcterr

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

LagoonSeven wrote:

Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP.

The elephant in the room here is the Rhino. That is, the Infiltrator's Rhino SMG.

It is part of the basic loadout, it is in the same tier as the NJ4/TCN4, and goes with a class which should have no problem getting into range against a Sentinel... A Sentinel who has to spend 100k if he wants the Falcon, which is either the worst SMG/AR or the second-worst depending on how you look at things.

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:32 pm

SxxyKate

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

somebody should've bought the preorder starter pack right when closed beta started lol

cuz by the the time UI and Class overhaul rolled around, I had enough EXP (3bill?) to unlock just about everything.

What I'm saying is, you should really buy some gold and boost, so you catch up and also support HiRez

then you can haz balanced loadouts for every class.

you might think i'm trolling, but im just saying the truth without all that sugarcoating

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:42 pm

Oroibahazopi

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 pm
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Re: Falcon (Sent)

LagoonSeven wrote:

SLD's spinfusor does 910 dmg on a direct hit.

Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:47 pm

Tamburlaine

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am
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Re: Falcon (Sent)

hvcterr wrote:

LagoonSeven wrote:

Seriously, the only classes that have a great auto available right away is raider and TCN, the rest cost 100k XP.

The elephant in the room here is the Rhino.

Elly the eSports Elephant would like to remind people that the doombringer has a great automatic right away, too. So of the six classes with automatics (not including the LAR in this), four are unlocked right at the start. One of them is substantially weaker than the others (the AR). Of the locked automatics, one is the baller-ass LMG, and one is the falcon, which is comparable to the AR in many regards but is apparently overpowered by virtue of what class it is on.

Therefore, Meta-Knight should be banned from competitive Smash Bros. Brawl.

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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:52 pm

hvcterr

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Re: Falcon (Sent)

Tamburlaine wrote:

Elly the eSports Elephant would like to remind people that the doombringer has a great automatic right away, too.

Yeah, but slow Doombringers don't typically go into fights against a Falcon-wielding sniper

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