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Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Brute is by far the lowest played class in the game and his spinfusor is almost universally regarded as the worst one in the game. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:43 pm

Chuckdatass Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:12 pm Posts: 424 Location: SoCal Steam Gamer Name: Chuckdatass	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Alpherior wrote: WitchDoctorVega wrote: Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon. I'd say this sounds about right, or instead, 1150 damage 780 splash, with maybe 10% faster fire rate and/or projectile speed. I'm surprised other people actually are with me on this Heavy Spinfusor buff notion -- I was honestly expecting to be shot down by people who say things like "it does the most damage so it actually needs a nerf". (Which isn't even true seeing as it has the second lowest dps for Spinfusors). Dude the brute is one of the most talked about classes that needs a buff. I'm more surprised someone didn't come in here suggesting the search function. But these change, plus a shield pack worth using would be nice. _________________ In Game Name: ChuckingIt Due to censorship of my name! Put Tribes 2 Style Force Fields on Base Turrets and Base Sensor. For the generators' sake.. Siege!
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:46 pm

wooser Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm Posts: 695	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? SkepticTA wrote: Everything about it feels right for a "heavy" spinfusor, except the damage numbers. If soldier disc can OHK two of the light classes, then the HSF should do damage in the 1100-1200 range without a bonus against armor. That is enough to near-kill a medium, three-shot a heavy. As an aside, the HBL should also get a huge damage buff, enough to OHK a medium. Pathfinder BL can OHK other lights, so I don't see why the heavy version should be so gimped. Ohohoho I dunno what game you're playing but the HBL needs no buffs at all. Though something I've wondered, if lights had just 50 more health only heavy class weapons would one shot them. Makes me think pathers could do with their own utility pack.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:17 am

DogmeatX Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 am Posts: 1259	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? If you guys want a laugh go into practice mode and compare pathfinder bolt launcher with jug/brute spinfusors. Seriously, go try it. Light weapon there almost matches/outdoes heavy disk if you take rate of fire into account.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:36 am

Shaeress Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:32 pm Posts: 307	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Almost all of us agree that a lot of the weapons needs to be rebalanced. I'd much rather see a buff to the heavy spinfusor damage than faster rate of fire. I want the heavy spinfusor to be a slow firing weapon of destruction and fear. I honestly think that the heavy spinfusor should one shot mediums with direct hits, because when they see that spinfusor coming they should tremble with fear, as it is supposed to be with heavies, and the brute is the combat oriented heavy. Then set all spinfusors to have the same projectile speed. I pretty much switch between seven of the classes and I really dislike that my accuracy is reset to zero every time I switch to a class, since all that knowledge spent calculating your point of impact in relation to the target is suddenly of by several percent, and on a distance those few percent is the difference between a blueplate, hitting the ground behind the capper launching him away with extra speed or missing altogether. _________________ We're so clutch.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:06 am

DemoEvolved Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am Posts: 2031	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? The reason the ROF on the HSF is so low is because it is an OSK style weapon meant to be used indoors, and to disc snipe raised turrets & equipment on ArxN. While some players are having success using him as HOF, it seems like a mismatch since the Doomie is supposed to be there. Looking at the roles for the three heavies, you have Doomie - HOF or Gen D Juggie - Offence f-stand disrupt Brute - HO, gen sab, indoor enemy disrupt, & turtle breaker (aka fractal delivery system). Previously the Brute would devour SMG Techs and could easily skate past collateral fire for a free gen win. Now, Techs have thumper & emp mines, Gen Doomies have invis mines, and fractals are rightfully doing only damage to players and deployables. You just don't see light classes inside the enemy base anymore. I think he could safely get a buff to survivability (shield pack effectiveness) and the rate of fire on the HSF could be improved. This does not increase OSK effectiveness which is risky, but extends what he can deal with while he is brutalizing.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:34 am

DemoEvolved Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am Posts: 2031	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? OTOH Brute will probably get a 4 shot Heavy Arx Buster Primary for 100k that would also basically solve everything.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:40 am

wooser Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm Posts: 695	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? I'd expect a heavy grenade launcher probably. Just because the ARX and spinfusor have similar ranges and the GL playstyle suits the brute better imo. Still, gonna need a buff to the shield pack, HSF, auto shotty and light stickies above any new weapons probably. I think all heavies need medium-level regen too, which the brute would benefit most from.
Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:53 am

BluNewt Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:56 pm Posts: 360	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? long as the brute's GL isn't yellow looks like a recycled tech weapon on the raider tech, yellow guy w/ yellow guns raider, spikey guy w/ a yellow gun?
Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:34 pm

Alpherior Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm Posts: 266 Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Yeah, some good posts here. I would really love a Brute buff, because even though its said to be one of the worst classes and least played, its actually my main. Someone also mentioned that it should be able to 1-shot a medium class... I'd have to say, I can almost agree with that, I mean, its a HEAVY, COMBAT CLASS with a HEAVY SPINFUSOR and it can barely 1-shot a light class (that is, IF you get a direct hit with that year-long reload time). _________________ Main Class: Brute (Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)
Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:22 pm

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Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
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Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Brute is by far the lowest played class in the game and his spinfusor is almost universally regarded as the worst one in the game.

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Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:43 pm

Chuckdatass

Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:12 pm
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Location: SoCal
Steam Gamer Name: Chuckdatass

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Alpherior wrote:

WitchDoctorVega wrote:

Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon.

I'd say this sounds about right, or instead, 1150 damage 780 splash, with maybe 10% faster fire rate and/or projectile speed.

I'm surprised other people actually are with me on this Heavy Spinfusor buff notion -- I was honestly expecting to be shot down by people who say things like "it does the most damage so it actually needs a nerf". (Which isn't even true seeing as it has the second lowest dps for Spinfusors).

Dude the brute is one of the most talked about classes that needs a buff. I'm more surprised someone didn't come in here suggesting the search function.

But these change, plus a shield pack worth using would be nice.

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In Game Name: ChuckingIt Due to censorship of my name!
Put Tribes 2 Style Force Fields on Base Turrets and Base Sensor. For the generators' sake..
Siege!

Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:46 pm

wooser

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm
Posts: 695

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

SkepticTA wrote:

Everything about it feels right for a "heavy" spinfusor, except the damage numbers. If soldier disc can OHK two of the light classes, then the HSF should do damage in the 1100-1200 range without a bonus against armor. That is enough to near-kill a medium, three-shot a heavy.

As an aside, the HBL should also get a huge damage buff, enough to OHK a medium. Pathfinder BL can OHK other lights, so I don't see why the heavy version should be so gimped.

Ohohoho I dunno what game you're playing but the HBL needs no buffs at all.

Though something I've wondered, if lights had just 50 more health only heavy class weapons would one shot them. Makes me think pathers could do with their own utility pack.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:17 am

DogmeatX

Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 am
Posts: 1259

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

If you guys want a laugh go into practice mode and compare pathfinder bolt launcher with jug/brute spinfusors. Seriously, go try it. Light weapon there almost matches/outdoes heavy disk if you take rate of fire into account.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:36 am

Shaeress

Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:32 pm
Posts: 307

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Almost all of us agree that a lot of the weapons needs to be rebalanced. I'd much rather see a buff to the heavy spinfusor damage than faster rate of fire. I want the heavy spinfusor to be a slow firing weapon of destruction and fear. I honestly think that the heavy spinfusor should one shot mediums with direct hits, because when they see that spinfusor coming they should tremble with fear, as it is supposed to be with heavies, and the brute is the combat oriented heavy.
Then set all spinfusors to have the same projectile speed. I pretty much switch between seven of the classes and I really dislike that my accuracy is reset to zero every time I switch to a class, since all that knowledge spent calculating your point of impact in relation to the target is suddenly of by several percent, and on a distance those few percent is the difference between a blueplate, hitting the ground behind the capper launching him away with extra speed or missing altogether.

_________________

We're so clutch.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:06 am

DemoEvolved

Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am
Posts: 2031

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

The reason the ROF on the HSF is so low is because it is an OSK style weapon meant to be used indoors, and to disc snipe raised turrets & equipment on ArxN.

While some players are having success using him as HOF, it seems like a mismatch since the Doomie is supposed to be there.
Looking at the roles for the three heavies, you have

Doomie - HOF or Gen D
Juggie - Offence f-stand disrupt
Brute - HO, gen sab, indoor enemy disrupt, & turtle breaker (aka fractal delivery system).

Previously the Brute would devour SMG Techs and could easily skate past collateral fire for a free gen win. Now, Techs have thumper & emp mines, Gen Doomies have invis mines, and fractals are rightfully doing only damage to players and deployables. You just don't see light classes inside the enemy base anymore.

I think he could safely get a buff to survivability (shield pack effectiveness) and the rate of fire on the HSF could be improved. This does not increase OSK effectiveness which is risky, but extends what he can deal with while he is brutalizing.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:34 am

DemoEvolved

Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am
Posts: 2031

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

OTOH Brute will probably get a 4 shot Heavy Arx Buster Primary for 100k that would also basically solve everything.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:40 am

wooser

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm
Posts: 695

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

I'd expect a heavy grenade launcher probably. Just because the ARX and spinfusor have similar ranges and the GL playstyle suits the brute better imo.

Still, gonna need a buff to the shield pack, HSF, auto shotty and light stickies above any new weapons probably. I think all heavies need medium-level regen too, which the brute would benefit most from.

Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:53 am

BluNewt

Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:56 pm
Posts: 360

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

long as the brute's GL isn't yellow

looks like a recycled tech weapon on the raider

tech, yellow guy w/ yellow guns

raider, spikey guy w/ a yellow gun?

Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:34 pm

Alpherior

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 266
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Yeah, some good posts here. I would really love a Brute buff, because even though its said to be one of the worst classes and least played, its actually my main. Someone also mentioned that it should be able to 1-shot a medium class... I'd have to say, I can almost agree with that, I mean, its a HEAVY, COMBAT CLASS with a HEAVY SPINFUSOR and it can barely 1-shot a light class (that is, IF you get a direct hit with that year-long reload time).

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Main Class: Brute
(Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)

Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:22 pm

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