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Alpherior Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm Posts: 266 Location: Ontario, Canada	Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Hello, everyone! This is my first post on the forum. I just wanted to suggest a possible adjustment for the Brute class Heavy Spinfusor -- It does nice damage, with good ammo, but the actual firing interval is very difficult to work with. A light, or even a medium size class could touch the ground and shoot you twice before you can even shoot another Heavy Spinfusor shot. I'd simply suggest some sort of 15-25%+ reload/firing interval adjustment, to sort of help out a heavy class in need, not to mention how chased and difficult it is to use in the arena game mode (among most heavy classes). I understand that its the Spinfusor that does the most damage, but the fire rate trade-off is really hard to work with, and I'd expect some more power coming from a heavy class. I'd also suggest that when using your jet pack while in the air after being knocked off a platform, you have more force pushing you upwards. Currently, in arena, a heavy class (and even sometimes light and medium classes) can't even jet pack back to a platform even if they're right next to it at chest height. EDIT I'd also like to point out that according to this thread viewtopic.php?f=313&t=45710 the Heavy Spinfusor has the second lowest DPS. I would expect that even with a fire rate/damage trade-off it would be ahead in first place. _________________ Main Class: Brute (Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)
Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 pm

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder. I also agree that jets need to be stronger. It would help if they didn't have that weird cap, too. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:54 pm

TheGargoyle Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:49 pm Posts: 266 Location: Northamptonshire, England	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Elysiume wrote: I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder. 2080 damage! I'd buy that for a dollar. _________________ Tribes: Ascend game-tag: "Gargoyle" Tribes-2 game-tag: "[BDH] Pain Reaver" Classes most frequently used: "Doombringer (DMB)" "Brute (BRT)" and "Juggernaut (JUG)"
Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:56 pm

Alpherior Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm Posts: 266 Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Elysiume wrote: I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder. I also agree that jets need to be stronger. It would help if they didn't have that weird cap, too. Thats sort of the other side of the coin, yeah. Instead of even adjusting the speed at all, perhaps it just needs a damage buff (980 damage to 1050, maybe). I understand that they tried to make the weapon balanced with faster projectile speed and more ammo, but when its on a heavy class, it may not be enough (not to mention I think a max of 30 ammo might be overkill). _________________ Main Class: Brute (Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)
Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:59 pm

wooser Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm Posts: 695	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:09 pm

Alpherior Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm Posts: 266 Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? wooser wrote: The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik. If thats truly the case then all the more reason for a buff! _________________ Main Class: Brute (Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:14 pm

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Alpherior wrote: wooser wrote: The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik. If thats truly the case then all the more reason for a buff! Yeah, the current hspin is bad. They should normalize disc speeds for every spinfusor. There's no reason to have them be slightly different. Then make the hspin deal 1100 damage. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:18 pm

SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? Everything about it feels right for a "heavy" spinfusor, except the damage numbers. If soldier disc can OHK two of the light classes, then the HSF should do damage in the 1100-1200 range without a bonus against armor. That is enough to near-kill a medium, three-shot a heavy. As an aside, the HBL should also get a huge damage buff, enough to OHK a medium. Pathfinder BL can OHK other lights, so I don't see why the heavy version should be so gimped. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:31 pm

WitchDoctorVega Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am Posts: 2482 Location: On the coast, NH Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? stealth spinfusor = appropriate damage light spinfusor = appropriate damage spinfusor = appropriate damage spinfusor mkd = appropriate damage Heavy Spinfusor = low damage for a "heavy" weapon. Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon. _________________ CYBRIDS 4 LYF! Metagens 4 ever!
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:32 pm

Alpherior Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm Posts: 266 Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment? WitchDoctorVega wrote: Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon. I'd say this sounds about right, or instead, 1150 damage 780 splash, with maybe 10% faster fire rate and/or projectile speed. I'm surprised other people actually are with me on this Heavy Spinfusor buff notion -- I was honestly expecting to be shot down by people who say things like "it does the most damage so it actually needs a nerf". (Which isn't even true seeing as it has the second lowest dps for Spinfusors). _________________ Main Class: Brute (Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)
Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:41 pm

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Alpherior

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm
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Location: Ontario, Canada

Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Hello, everyone! This is my first post on the forum. I just wanted to suggest a possible adjustment for the Brute class Heavy Spinfusor -- It does nice damage, with good ammo, but the actual firing interval is very difficult to work with. A light, or even a medium size class could touch the ground and shoot you twice before you can even shoot another Heavy Spinfusor shot. I'd simply suggest some sort of 15-25%+ reload/firing interval adjustment, to sort of help out a heavy class in need, not to mention how chased and difficult it is to use in the arena game mode (among most heavy classes). I understand that its the Spinfusor that does the most damage, but the fire rate trade-off is really hard to work with, and I'd expect some more power coming from a heavy class.

I'd also suggest that when using your jet pack while in the air after being knocked off a platform, you have more force pushing you upwards. Currently, in arena, a heavy class (and even sometimes light and medium classes) can't even jet pack back to a platform even if they're right next to it at chest height.

*EDIT* I'd also like to point out that according to this thread viewtopic.php?f=313&t=45710 the Heavy Spinfusor has the second lowest DPS. I would expect that even with a fire rate/damage trade-off it would be ahead in first place.

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Main Class: Brute
(Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 pm

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder.

I also agree that jets need to be stronger. It would help if they didn't have that weird cap, too.

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100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:54 pm

TheGargoyle

Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:49 pm
Posts: 266
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Elysiume wrote:

I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder.

2080 damage! I'd buy that for a dollar.

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Tribes: Ascend game-tag: "Gargoyle"
Tribes-2 game-tag: "[BDH] Pain Reaver"
Classes most frequently used: "Doombringer (DMB)" "Brute (BRT)" and "Juggernaut (JUG)"

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:56 pm

Alpherior

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 266
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Elysiume wrote:

I think they should just make the heavy spinfusor hit a lot harder. Like, 1100 damage harder.

I also agree that jets need to be stronger. It would help if they didn't have that weird cap, too.

Thats sort of the other side of the coin, yeah. Instead of even adjusting the speed at all, perhaps it just needs a damage buff (980 damage to 1050, maybe). I understand that they tried to make the weapon balanced with faster projectile speed and more ammo, but when its on a heavy class, it may not be enough (not to mention I think a max of 30 ammo might be overkill).

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Main Class: Brute
(Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:59 pm

wooser

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:07 pm
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Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik.

Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:09 pm

Alpherior

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 266
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

wooser wrote:

The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik.

If thats truly the case then all the more reason for a buff!

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Main Class: Brute
(Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:14 pm

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Alpherior wrote:

wooser wrote:

The heavy spinfusor has a slower moving projectile, afaik.

If thats truly the case then all the more reason for a buff!

Yeah, the current hspin is bad.

They should normalize disc speeds for every spinfusor. There's no reason to have them be slightly different. Then make the hspin deal 1100 damage.

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100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:18 pm

SkepticTA

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm
Posts: 3062

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

Everything about it feels right for a "heavy" spinfusor, except the damage numbers. If soldier disc can OHK two of the light classes, then the HSF should do damage in the 1100-1200 range without a bonus against armor. That is enough to near-kill a medium, three-shot a heavy.

As an aside, the HBL should also get a huge damage buff, enough to OHK a medium. Pathfinder BL can OHK other lights, so I don't see why the heavy version should be so gimped.

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Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:31 pm

WitchDoctorVega

Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:15 am
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Location: On the coast, NH
Steam Gamer Name: ..WitchDoctor..

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

stealth spinfusor = appropriate damage

light spinfusor = appropriate damage

spinfusor = appropriate damage

spinfusor mkd = appropriate damage

Heavy Spinfusor = low damage for a "heavy" weapon.

Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon.

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Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:32 pm

Alpherior

Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm
Posts: 266
Location: Ontario, Canada

Re: Heavy Spinfusor Buff + Jet Pack Adjustment?

WitchDoctorVega wrote:

Perhaps making it do 1180 damage on a direct hit, 800 splash? It wont 1-shot a medium, or splash-kill a light armor with that damage scale, but do the "appropriate" damage for a heavy primary weapon.

I'd say this sounds about right, or instead, 1150 damage 780 splash, with maybe 10% faster fire rate and/or projectile speed.

I'm surprised other people actually are with me on this Heavy Spinfusor buff notion -- I was honestly expecting to be shot down by people who say things like "it does the most damage so it actually needs a nerf". (Which isn't even true seeing as it has the second lowest dps for Spinfusors).

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Main Class: Brute
(Devestator Spinfusor/Plasma Cannon/Extended Fractal/Safety Third/Potential Energy/Survival Pack)

Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:41 pm

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