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Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix Fractal grenades are a powerful option for area denial. The problem is that they are far too inconsistent. Sometimes a heavy walks into one and dies almost instantly, and sometimes a light just saunters through one unharmed. This is ridiculous. No weapon should be this reliant on random chance. Therefore, the grenades should be made more consistent. 1. Drop the damage to 160 per bolt, or roughly a 61% nerf. The bolts right now deal too much damage for the burst speed to be greatly increase. 2. Drop the time between bursts by 66%, i.e., triple the amount of lasers. This maintains a similar DPS while having two benefits. One, the overall DPS will be far more consistent. Two, the AoE on a fractal will be easier to see. 3. Cut the knockback on fractals by 80%. This means that there will be less knockback overall, which is a good thing. Getting stuck in a fractal vortex is frustrating. What would be the end result? Grenades that more adequately fit their role as area denial. As they are now, fractals are far too random. No weapon in the game should be balanced around randomness to that degree. Normalizing their DPS needs to be done. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:42 pm

RootbeerAlamode Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:01 pm Posts: 1538 Steam Gamer Name: D-Hearts	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix +1 fractals are far too random. Random is bad. _________________ 100% Inheritance, 100% Intuitive. Inheritance Demonstration [video] Tips for Aiming with 100% [video]
Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:43 pm

NiXXeD Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:02 am Posts: 657	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix I agree with the idea. The numbers might be off, but Hirez can balance that. Less knockback and more consistent DPS in the fractal damage area.
Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:47 pm

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix NiXXeD wrote: I agree with the idea. The numbers might be off, but Hirez can balance that. Less knockback and more consistent DPS in the fractal damage area. Yeah, the numbers are just rough ideas. I don't have any specific data for it, but tripling the fire rate seems good to me. No way to be sure unless HiRez tests things out, though. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:27 pm

w00tm0ng3r Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:44 am Posts: 94	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix I personally wouldn't mind if they went all the way with this idea and just turned it into a napalm blob field or something like that. The nade explodes into a cloud and everyone in the cloud takes constant damage until they get out.
Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:34 pm

Wobberjockey Beta Tester Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:30 am Posts: 8726 Location: In a handbasket, heading somewhere	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix agreed . i skied by a fractal in a random hill on a route today, and i was stopped dead, and puled back into the aoe. that's excessive _________________ original art at http://tinyurl.com/shazbotsig The Tribes READ ME. Quite possibly the most important thread you'll never read
Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:49 pm

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix Wobberjockey wrote: agreed . i skied by a fractal in a random hill on a route today, and i was stopped dead, and puled back into the aoe. that's excessive Is that a bug? Fractals don't so much have knockback as knock around. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:06 pm

LumensAquilae Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:04 am Posts: 277	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix I agree, this is a good idea.
Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:51 am

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix Bumping. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:12 am

zazard Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:55 am Posts: 78	Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix +1, i think it's a logical thing to do.
Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:43 pm

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Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
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Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

Fractal grenades are a powerful option for area denial. The problem is that they are far too inconsistent. Sometimes a heavy walks into one and dies almost instantly, and sometimes a light just saunters through one unharmed. This is ridiculous. No weapon should be this reliant on random chance. Therefore, the grenades should be made more consistent.

1. Drop the damage to 160 per bolt, or roughly a 61% nerf. The bolts right now deal too much damage for the burst speed to be greatly increase.
2. Drop the time between bursts by 66%, i.e., triple the amount of lasers. This maintains a similar DPS while having two benefits. One, the overall DPS will be far more consistent. Two, the AoE on a fractal will be easier to see.
3. Cut the knockback on fractals by 80%. This means that there will be less knockback overall, which is a good thing. Getting stuck in a fractal vortex is frustrating.

What would be the end result? Grenades that more adequately fit their role as area denial. As they are now, fractals are far too random. No weapon in the game should be balanced around randomness to that degree. Normalizing their DPS needs to be done.

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Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:42 pm

RootbeerAlamode

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:01 pm
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Steam Gamer Name: D-Hearts

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

+1 fractals are far too random. Random is bad.

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Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:43 pm

NiXXeD

Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:02 am
Posts: 657

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

I agree with the idea. The numbers might be off, but Hirez can balance that. Less knockback and more consistent DPS in the fractal damage area.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:47 pm

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

NiXXeD wrote:

I agree with the idea. The numbers might be off, but Hirez can balance that. Less knockback and more consistent DPS in the fractal damage area.

Yeah, the numbers are just rough ideas. I don't have any specific data for it, but tripling the fire rate seems good to me. No way to be sure unless HiRez tests things out, though.

_________________
100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:27 pm

w00tm0ng3r

Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:44 am
Posts: 94

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

I personally wouldn't mind if they went all the way with this idea and just turned it into a napalm blob field or something like that. The nade explodes into a cloud and everyone in the cloud takes constant damage until they get out.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:34 pm

Wobberjockey

Beta Tester

Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:30 am
Posts: 8726
Location: In a handbasket, heading somewhere

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

agreed . i skied by a fractal in a random hill on a route today, and i was stopped dead, and puled back into the aoe.

that's excessive

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Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:49 pm

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

Wobberjockey wrote:

agreed . i skied by a fractal in a random hill on a route today, and i was stopped dead, and puled back into the aoe.

that's excessive

Is that a bug? Fractals don't so much have knockback as knock around.

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100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:06 pm

LumensAquilae

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:04 am
Posts: 277

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

I agree, this is a good idea.

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:51 am

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

Bumping.

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100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:12 am

zazard

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:55 am
Posts: 78

Re: Fractal Grenade Consistency Fix

+1, i think it's a logical thing to do.

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:43 pm

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