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root Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:30 pm Posts: 856	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP RootbeerAlamode wrote: whelp. How long to you think Tribes Vengeance 2 is going to last? Longer than T:V1 did, because hey it's F2P! "GUYS... E-SPORTS. We're gonna E-sport and save everything."
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:02 am

FloobBoober Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:40 pm Posts: 143	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Shrymp wrote: Royalewithcheese wrote: Shrymp wrote: Yesterday Bart said thrust vectoring is not going to happen (paraphrasing), and that they were happy with inheritance on most weapons (paraphrasing). Every other question he answered was something like "I don't know, man" or "That's a design team thing" That's disappointing. Where are these comments? His Twitch.tv "going over the patch notes" thing he does for 2 hours. http://www.twitch.tv/hirezbart/b/309408784 Title says 2.09.12 but it's from yesterday. I listened to the entire 2 hours and I was like "are you f*** kidding me?" One of the people in the chat room even asked, "how are you guys the best company ever to work with the community?" I laughed pretty hard. That could not be more disappointing. _________________ -BoogieMan
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:09 am

WerTicus Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:39 am Posts: 2620	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP at 47mins 35 seconds I asked bart about the thrust limitation issue: http://www.twitch.tv/hirezbart/b/309408784 he basically says its by design but does not really know. _________________ "The simple fact is that all the time and money and skill poured into consumer research on the new Coca-Cola could not measure or reveal the deep and abiding emotional attachment to original Coca-Cola felt by so many people."
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:11 am

sehvi Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:34 pm Posts: 2	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP i have been waiting for exactly all of these issues to be adressed patch after patch.. now i have to say that Hi-Rez has been listening for a bit.. but it's still sloppy and it still makes the game very, very frustrating. I totally agree with everything in the OP and i really, but then really hope Hi-Rez will start putting more effort into resolving these (KNOWN) problems. In my opinion this game really has potential.. but they really need to start polishing the core.
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:12 am

root Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:30 pm Posts: 856	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP sehvi wrote: i have been waiting for exactly all of these issues to be adressed patch after patch.. now i have to say that Hi-Rez has been listening for a bit.. but it's still sloppy and it still makes the game very, very frustrating. I totally agree with everything in the OP and i really, but then really hope Hi-Rez will start putting more effort into resolving these (KNOWN) problems. In my opinion this game really has potential.. but they really need to start polishing the core. They only listen to what they want to hear. They're very well-connected with the community (read: accessible), but they aren't actually responding to any of the major concerns, let alone showing that they are listening. The only thing they've done of note is removing hitscan (inevitable), and the custom load-outs (and even that is very constricted).
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:17 am

ArcticGhost Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:48 am Posts: 1 Location: Aperture Science Laboratories	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP I agree 100% _________________ (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:24 am

Patan Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:02 pm Posts: 59	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP I agree with the complete list. Every single point must be adressed for a good game that lasts.
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:40 am

TheEschaton Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm Posts: 2953 Steam Gamer Name: LeadProphet	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP It's time that we made these issues the central topic of debate on this forum. Weapon/class balancing can go right out the window since it's generally in a good place and can ALWAYS be tweaked after release without much issue. I'm signing on as fully in agreement with the OP. I'd add that spawn locations are also seriously FUBAR, but maybe that needs to take a backburner to this stuff. These aren't really balancing issues, HiRez. They are more like "makes sense" issues. btw, I'm fine with 50% inheritance, but there are weapons out there that don't have this still. EDIT: I will just add that the reason I'm becoming aware of these issues now instead of earlier in beta is because of the new map that is correctly sized for Tribes. It makes it clear that the physics as they currently are were tailored to small maps. On anything larger the limitations become quite obvious, even for a dunce like me. I am not just jumping on the bandwagon now. I have only just discovered it. _________________ Carrion (in-game name) Last edited by TheEschaton on Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:46 am

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP Everything in the OP needs to be addressed. The current physics system is unacceptable. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:00 pm

RootbeerAlamode Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:01 pm Posts: 1538 Steam Gamer Name: D-Hearts	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP We need these changes ASAP. The deadline is fast approaching and its typically hard to do a large overhaul of something like this after release. Please hi-rez, listen to your fans, listen to 14 years of amazing physics based gameplay. There is a reason people still play T2, and its not because the jets are incredibly weak and unintuitive. _________________ 100% Inheritance, 100% Intuitive. Inheritance Demonstration [video] Tips for Aiming with 100% [video]
Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:03 pm

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root

Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:30 pm
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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

RootbeerAlamode wrote:

whelp. How long to you think Tribes Vengeance 2 is going to last?

Longer than T:V1 did, because hey it's F2P!

"GUYS... E-SPORTS.

We're gonna E-sport and save everything."

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:02 am

FloobBoober

Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:40 pm
Posts: 143

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Shrymp wrote:

Royalewithcheese wrote:

Shrymp wrote:

Yesterday Bart said thrust vectoring is not going to happen (paraphrasing), and that they were happy with inheritance on most weapons (paraphrasing).

Every other question he answered was something like "I don't know, man" or "That's a design team thing"

That's disappointing. Where are these comments?

His Twitch.tv "going over the patch notes" thing he does for 2 hours.

http://www.twitch.tv/hirezbart/b/309408784
Title says 2.09.12 but it's from yesterday. I listened to the entire 2 hours and I was like "are you f*** kidding me?"

One of the people in the chat room even asked, "how are you guys the best company ever to work with the community?"

I laughed pretty hard.

That could not be more disappointing.

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-BoogieMan

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:09 am

WerTicus

Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:39 am
Posts: 2620

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

at 47mins 35 seconds I asked bart about the thrust limitation issue:

http://www.twitch.tv/hirezbart/b/309408784

he basically says its by design but does not really know.

_________________
"The simple fact is that all the time and money and skill poured into consumer research on the new Coca-Cola could not measure or reveal the deep and abiding emotional attachment to original Coca-Cola felt by so many people."

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:11 am

sehvi

Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:34 pm
Posts: 2

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

i have been waiting for exactly all of these issues to be adressed patch after patch.. now i have to say that Hi-Rez has been listening for a bit.. but it's still sloppy and it still makes the game very, very frustrating.

I totally agree with everything in the OP and i really, but then really hope Hi-Rez will start putting more effort into resolving these (KNOWN) problems. In my opinion this game really has potential.. but they really need to start polishing the core.

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:12 am

root

Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:30 pm
Posts: 856

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

sehvi wrote:

They only listen to what they want to hear. They're very well-connected with the community (read: accessible), but they aren't actually responding to any of the major concerns, let alone showing that they are listening.

The only thing they've done of note is removing hitscan (inevitable), and the custom load-outs (and even that is very constricted).

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:17 am

ArcticGhost

Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:48 am
Posts: 1
Location: Aperture Science Laboratories

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

I agree 100%

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Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:24 am

Patan

Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:02 pm
Posts: 59

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

I agree with the complete list. Every single point must be adressed for a good game that lasts.

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:40 am

TheEschaton

Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:53 pm
Posts: 2953
Steam Gamer Name: LeadProphet

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

It's time that we made these issues the central topic of debate on this forum. Weapon/class balancing can go right out the window since it's generally in a good place and can ALWAYS be tweaked after release without much issue.

I'm signing on as fully in agreement with the OP. I'd add that spawn locations are also seriously FUBAR, but maybe that needs to take a backburner to this stuff.

These aren't really balancing issues, HiRez. They are more like "makes sense" issues.

btw, I'm fine with 50% inheritance, but there are weapons out there that don't have this still.

EDIT: I will just add that the reason I'm becoming aware of these issues now instead of earlier in beta is because of the new map that is correctly sized for Tribes. It makes it clear that the physics as they currently are were tailored to small maps. On anything larger the limitations become quite obvious, even for a dunce like me. I am not just jumping on the bandwagon now. I have only just discovered it.

_________________
Carrion (in-game name)

Last edited by TheEschaton on Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:46 am

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

Everything in the OP needs to be addressed. The current physics system is unacceptable.

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100% inheritance is something the game needs.
Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:00 pm

RootbeerAlamode

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:01 pm
Posts: 1538
Steam Gamer Name: D-Hearts

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

We need these changes ASAP. The deadline is fast approaching and its typically hard to do a large overhaul of something like this after release.

Please hi-rez, listen to your fans, listen to 14 years of amazing physics based gameplay. There is a reason people still play T2, and its not because the jets are incredibly weak and unintuitive.

_________________
100% Inheritance, 100% Intuitive.
Inheritance Demonstration [video]
Tips for Aiming with 100% [video]

Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:03 pm

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