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ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! Immie wrote: "Reload on weapon switch" This is not a new mechanic. Being able to switch before you've reloaded is. Just wait for the reload before you switch and it will be exactly the same as T1/2/V. You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch. Other than that, I agree- less bounce, less arm time, more AoE, more damage. You're kidding me right? Previous Tribes NEVER had this...one of the best things was the fact that firing was continuous...it didn't interrupt your shots, it didn't interrupt the flow of the game. Now, it's RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD. If it wasn't reloaded, then you couldn't switch. It's not the same, and me having to fix it manually is dumb. When you only have TWO weapons, it's even worse. And what's worse, you can't even see what you're hitting due to the reload!!! _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie Last edited by ArchangelXv1 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:16 am

Immie Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm Posts: 1310	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! raaaw wrote: Immie wrote: You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch. That's because it _IS_ frustrating, even for the Jug. I didn't want to put it this way, but I meant the kind of frustration one feels when forced to watch someone doing it wrong. _________________ Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes.
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ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! Oh whatever, you're telling me that in order to play this game right, I have to physically fix it myself? Something that wasn't broken but is now implemented to make it more "realistic"? Gimme a break. I wasn't switching for nothing..sometimes I was because I felt I might need the disc, sometimes it was after using the disc. Sometimes it was after making a needed shot, and then needing my secondary. Having to reload afterwards is just lame-brained. I'd much rather have it not LET me switch, than let me switch and then have to reload. Does that make better sense? _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie Last edited by ArchangelXv1 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:20 am

HowdyPartner Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:48 pm Posts: 658	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! Immie wrote: raaaw wrote: Immie wrote: You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch. That's because it _IS_ frustrating, even for the Jug. I didn't want to put it this way, but I meant the kind of frustration one feels when forced to watch someone doing it wrong. Dunno about the wrong part, weapon switch after reload is what I've been doing prior to Tribes: Ascend. Of course after a few games that will become a non-issue as you get accustomed but in the meantime it's just frustrating.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:25 am

Immie Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm Posts: 1310	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! Load up T1/2/V, fire your mortar. Now try to change weapons. You can't, not until you have reloaded. In TA, you can switch before you have reloaded. If you just wait for the reload before you switch, it's like you're playing the old way again! ArchangelXv1 wrote: I'd much rather have it not LET me switch, than let me switch and then have to reload. Does that make better sense? So you want less freedom then? _________________ Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:26 am

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! No, I'd rather have it work the same way as previous Tribes so I'm not having to relearn everything just becaue it's T:A. Why change the mechanic if it's not broken? It seems that's a very common thing with this beta thus far. Being allowed to switch just gives you a sense of having one in the pipe, when you really don't. And it messes up crucial shots. It's lame. Hell, and I have to watch that huge arm up in my face over and over, blocking my view and my aim. It's annoying. This is one of the biggest things that irks me about this game, and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one. _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:31 am

DvNTicus Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:26 am Posts: 40	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! wow thanks for the vid... shame the mortar is like a 98 year old bloke without viagra
Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:33 am

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Updated with high resolution version. _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:15 am

handbr4ke Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:35 am Posts: 194	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version I'd find it much more frustrating if you couldn't switch when reloading. But then I'm a battlefield vet so for me switching while reloading and cancelling the reload is a mechanic I both expect and prefer. Of course it never harms to have settings for things like this which won't have an effect the balance, to make everyone happy.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:40 am

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version And that's precisely why it was changed probably...to appeal to BF, COD, & more "realistic" military shooter fans. In previous Tribes games, you didn't have to reload after every shot...at least not the way it's done here. There were no huge animations in your face. It was just CHUNK...chigga chigga...CHUNK...chigga chigga...CHUNK. Now it's CHUNK...RELOADHUGEARMINYOURFACE...CHUNK...RELOADHUGEARMINYOURFACE...CHUNK. Regardless, the weapon switching isn't my main beef. I can deal with it, but unless the mortar gets some tweaks, I'm afraid I'll be outta here pretty soon. _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:46 am

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ArchangelXv1

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

Immie wrote:

"Reload on weapon switch"

This is not a new mechanic. Being able to switch before you've reloaded is. Just wait for the reload before you switch and it will be exactly the same as T1/2/V.

You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch.

Other than that, I agree- less bounce, less arm time, more AoE, more damage.

You're kidding me right? Previous Tribes NEVER had this...one of the best things was the fact that firing was continuous...it didn't interrupt your shots, it didn't interrupt the flow of the game. Now, it's RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD RELOAD. If it wasn't reloaded, then you couldn't switch. It's not the same, and me having to fix it manually is dumb.

When you only have TWO weapons, it's even worse. And what's worse, you can't even see what you're hitting due to the reload!!!

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:16 am

Immie

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

raaaw wrote:

Immie wrote:

You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch.

That's because it _IS_ frustrating, even for the Jug.

I didn't want to put it this way, but I meant the kind of frustration one feels when forced to watch someone doing it wrong.

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ArchangelXv1

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

Oh whatever, you're telling me that in order to play this game right, I have to physically fix it myself? Something that wasn't broken but is now implemented to make it more "realistic"?

Gimme a break. I wasn't switching for nothing..sometimes I was because I felt I might need the disc, sometimes it was after using the disc. Sometimes it was after making a needed shot, and then needing my secondary. Having to reload afterwards is just lame-brained.

I'd much rather have it not LET me switch, than let me switch and then have to reload. Does that make better sense?

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Fool's Epic T1 Movie

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:20 am

HowdyPartner

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

Immie wrote:

raaaw wrote:

Immie wrote:

You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch.

That's because it _IS_ frustrating, even for the Jug.

I didn't want to put it this way, but I meant the kind of frustration one feels when forced to watch someone doing it wrong.

Dunno about the wrong part, weapon switch after reload is what I've been doing prior to Tribes: Ascend. Of course after a few games that will become a non-issue as you get accustomed but in the meantime it's just frustrating.

Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:25 am

Immie

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

Load up T1/2/V, fire your mortar.

Now try to change weapons.

You can't, not until you have reloaded.

In TA, you can switch before you have reloaded. If you just wait for the reload before you switch, it's like you're playing the old way again!

ArchangelXv1 wrote:

I'd much rather have it not LET me switch, than let me switch and then have to reload. Does that make better sense?

So you want less freedom then?

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ArchangelXv1

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

No, I'd rather have it work the same way as previous Tribes so I'm not having to relearn everything just becaue it's T:A. Why change the mechanic if it's not broken? It seems that's a very common thing with this beta thus far.

Being allowed to switch just gives you a sense of having one in the pipe, when you really don't. And it messes up crucial shots. It's lame. Hell, and I have to watch that huge arm up in my face over and over, blocking my view and my aim. It's annoying.

This is one of the biggest things that irks me about this game, and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:31 am

DvNTicus

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

wow thanks for the vid... shame the mortar is like a 98 year old bloke without viagra

Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:33 am

ArchangelXv1

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Updated with high resolution version. :mrgreen:

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:15 am

handbr4ke

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Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

I'd find it much more frustrating if you couldn't switch when reloading. But then I'm a battlefield vet so for me switching while reloading and cancelling the reload is a mechanic I both expect and prefer. Of course it never harms to have settings for things like this which won't have an effect the balance, to make everyone happy.

Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:40 am

ArchangelXv1

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Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

And that's precisely why it was changed probably...to appeal to BF, COD, & more "realistic" military shooter fans.

In previous Tribes games, you didn't have to reload after every shot...at least not the way it's done here. There were no huge animations in your face. It was just CHUNK...chigga chigga...CHUNK...chigga chigga...CHUNK. Now it's CHUNK...RELOADHUGEARMINYOURFACE...CHUNK...RELOADHUGEARMINYOURFACE...CHUNK.

Regardless, the weapon switching isn't my main beef. I can deal with it, but unless the mortar gets some tweaks, I'm afraid I'll be outta here pretty soon.

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:46 am

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