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V0ldis Beta Tester Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:17 pm Posts: 3850	Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP Sooo hokay, besides learning to shoot and not stand still, I thought we could offer new players some general advice to perform better, especially in pvp. I can add these to one big list and separate into classes in the OP if there are enough meaningful replies. Preparation 1. Change your device keybinds. If you have a mouse with side-buttons take advantage of these. my current layout is 1 - 2 - 3 and then the devices are Mouseforward-Mouseback-F. My boost is 5 so I don't mis-press it and E is my beacon button. Neonphades recommends moving the score page from TAB. 2. Remove mouse acceleration in windows and mouse smoothing in game Go to your control panel and click on "hardware and sound", click "mouse" then go to "pointer options". Uncheck "Enhance Pointer Precision" and then where it says "Select a Pointer Speed" move the slider to the six notch on the slider if it isn't there already and then save. 3. If your mouse skills (aiming) are poor, play Osu! Osu! is a game that requires precise mouse moving and clicking to the tune of music that will help improve your ability to aim, check it out at http://osu.ppy.sh/ 4. Unfortunately, ping can be a factor in your success, you may have to consider device choices based on your lag. If you are shooting with a "tracking" weapon a ping of 40 means that you have almost no "lead" in your shots, where as with 100 you may have to aim in front of a moving target. The amount you lead scales with your ping, and at one point or another it becomes difficult to consistently hit your target. Aussies have 30 ping, they are just bad. JK 5. Read your class forum, especially the guides.[i] One of the biggest issues faced by new players is inneffective item and skill selection. In 1.4 the class trees changed, so make sure you aren't reading old information! Some of the most basic and common skill trees are as follows, although you should experiment and suit yours to your playstyle: Assault - Tank: 1/9/3 Assauilt - Roamer 1/5/7 Assault - AoE 1/5/7 Medic - Healing (Bio-feedback beam)- 6/7/0 Medic - Healing (Nanite) - 6/7/0 Medic - Poison (1)/x/8 - place the last four as you see fit Recon - Sniper 5/0/8 Recon - Bombcon 0/6/7 Robo - Double Turret 3/7/3 or http://www.agendaprofile.com/skill-buil ... 3b814b6000 Robo - Single Turret 5/8/0 Robo - Drone - too many options 1/0/12, 4/0/9, 5/0/9. Focus on either drone skills or gun skills. 6. Check out some merc vids. Robo - Magicandybar Assault - CaerusX Medic - Anaakin 7. Playing every class will make you a better player. I played recon exclusively till level 40ish, and regretted it. If you learn other classes' abilities you will be better at countering them. Play healing medic as well to get a better understanding of their cooldowns and healing ability, it will give you a better understanding of when to fight and when to flee. Furthermore, there is constant debate between the easiest classes to play, some say turret robo, bomb-con or healing medic but each presents a new set of challenges and skills. Find what you are most comfortable with and ride that until you have a better understanding of the game. 8. Use armor with the most Ns (health) and Rs (Ranged prot) you can get. Try to get rid of every B and M you can. At level 20 get full rare armor and mods it with full rare mods. At level 30 consider buying the NNR armor from Hawks with your tokens and put epic mods on it. 9. Use the Virtual Reality Arena to test weapons and builds. Even though you have to face players above level 30, the VR is a good place to test builds and weapons while you are queued or getting ready to merc. It can be found in the Transportation section off of the central hub in the dome. 10. Join an agency. Try to join an agency with a coherent mission statement and goal. Don't be afraid to ask questions to the recruiter. Even new agencies should have standards. Don't join any agency that is randomly inviting people, they are usually less organized. Get a mic, and make sure they have voip (mumble is most popular in GA). 11. Buy a booster when you hit 30, but not a moment before. Take your time to learn the classes and how to handle a jetpack in lowbie merc, above 30 is a different game. With that said, obtaining tokens takes quite a while without booster, especially if you aren't getting 15k a week from ava, I do recommend getting at least a 15 day some point, its an especially nice boost if you are leveling through PVE. 12. When you hit 30+ merc check your percentiles amongst the playerbase at Agendastats.com As a ranking system, agendastats allows you to compare your kills/damage/healing/objective points to your peers, giving you the ability to see where you are doing well, and where you are following short relative to others. 13. If you are new to AvA the following threads (amongst others) are a good idea to take a peak at for ideas on strikeforce class balance and tactics: Sansa's AvA guide for new players Aexrael's Foundation of a Strikeforce VOldis' video comilation There are many other worthy guides - too many to post. If you are an officer or strikeforce leader then reading the forums is practically a must. Post 1.4 the best comps would be 4 assaults, 4 medics and either 2 recons and 1 robo or vice-versa. I recommend using a bomb-con and a sniper to scorpia pain gun targets. There are also many helpful people waiting to assist you, don't be afraid to ask in city. Tactics 1. Don't be afraid to REST in pvp Especially if you are a recon and have bionics, rest is pretty easy to use. You might suggest that 10 seconds and power loss isn't much better than dying, but you want to save your BOOST. HOWEVER, be aware, rest applies a debuff so you take increased damage and are an easy kill if not crafty. It is worth it however, if you stay alive you get more shatters, bubbles, smashes and healing, which can easily win you a point. 2. Place shatters on roofs and walls It is very easy to both escape or place walls and domes around shatters to prevent them from taking out nests. Get creative with your shatter placement and you can catch players unawares. Also this can be construed as advice to robos to block those bombs 3. Don't sit on point (and/or expect heals) if turrets are going up around you. More players on point does not make it cap faster! The easiest way to capture a point is if the enemy is dead or scattered. Sitting on point while robos nest up around you will lead to a team wipe. The medics will not want to keep healing you if you play too passively, even if you are a point tank. 4. If you are stealth or in Perfect Target you cannot capture a point! If you are low on health and using one of these abilities you are better off resting and running away because the point attracts enemies. 5. This game is about movement. Whether you are a medic or a tank assault, you must be constantly moving and aware of what is around you. Standing stationary on point will only get you killed from behind. Robos should be building and rebuilding, snipers putting themselves in position to not miss, assaults taking out turrets and robos around the objective and medics thrusting up and around to avoid fire. 6. If you are the only one alive don't attack the point alone. You will probably die. In AvA teams often engage if they get at least one person down, on a roof or away from the point, the loss of a healer or damage class can easily sway the battle. 7. If an enemy with low health is far away or fleeing use your smg. It has greater range and accuracy for assaults, as such the Rhino SMG may not be the best choice of smg. 8. This isn't call of duty, if you are a sniper don't crouch, strafe. A crouching sniper is an easy target for other snipers. Furthermore, learn to shoot with bionics in sniping battles. 9. Make Robo nests your priority This is not the "recon's job," if everyone focuses, they go down quick. If the robo is very squishy you can attempt to kill him first, but generally you will find that you have to take out his med-crate. With this accomplished, kill the robo and then the turret. Recons - never throw bombs and run away. It does nothing, finish off the job. 10. Kill players attacking turrets. Robos: YOU CAN KILL THE PERSON ATTACKING YOUR TURRET. If you cooldown is up you don't always need to save it, killing the attacker and putting down a new one works. A meleecon slashing at the back of a turret is an easy kill. For everyone else: any medics healing someone taking out a nest is particularly vulnerable as they don't want to stray too far from the task at hand. If a robo still has his medcrate and/or power station up, standing in them to take out enemies attacking the nest gives you the upper hand. 11. If a good assault is being pocketed by a medic, focus the medic. The assault will be very tough to kill, but 2-3 people shouldn't have too much trouble with the medic. This tandem will be very powerful, as an assault with a medic will crush robo nests. If they are farming kills away from the objective, ignore them, just be careful if you are out there alone. 12. Manage your power wisely. Medics: don't heal targets at full health. Assaults: Right click when you can and bring powerstim. Robo's dont heal your turret unnecessarily. Recons: lolbionics. 13. Don't use perfect target. It makes you a worse player and doesn't help the team. Chances are you won't get healed up while in it. If you need, bring two shields and run Aegis. 14. If you are a medic make obtaining a second profile a priority. Being able to switch between healing and poison depending on the number of other medics can help a team a lot. Make sure you communicate. More to come! _________________ CAPS IS CALM Last edited by V0ldis on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:25 pm, edited 34 times in total.
Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:24 am

Mhak Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:30 am Posts: 751	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP V0ldis wrote: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP 1. Shoot turrets first, medics second, robos third, assaults and recons only if they're on a point or trying to kill you. 2. Don't suck. I don't know how most of you manage to skip this step, but please stop. It's a f*** important step. 3. ????????????????????? 4. PROFIT _________________
Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:10 am

ForeverAlone Alpha Tester Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:00 pm Posts: 175	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP Everyone knows playing a poison medic and pistol sniping off-point is the most efficient way to support your team... God. _________________
Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:15 am

SteamTrout Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:21 am Posts: 3448 Location: Land of Rainbows and Sunshine	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP If there's an assault in front of you with 200 health left, waving his hands and bodyblocking your shots - please heal him. Please. _________________ No-skill Agenda Tauryll wrote: Frenzy wave is like sex in a convenient wave format
Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:34 am

-Ironheart Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:34 am Posts: 1141 Location: Moscow	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP Don't play rere. Don't play poison. Don't play drobo. None of these "specs" will help you get better at the game. _________________ http://imgur.com/a/cQtFG
Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:52 am

Roja Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:05 pm Posts: 223	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP Medics.. dont got for KILLS, go for healing, assists!!! thats the medic class job!, stay on point helping ur Assaults. nad if u feel like running with a poison wave, use Neut wave, that can win matches!!!. Robos have med crates. dont stick with them, Recons have bionics they can rest also dont waste time healing recons off the point when ur assaults are there getting the s*** kicked out of them!!! _________________
Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:00 pm

-Sena- Beta Tester Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:51 pm Posts: 791 Location: hk	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP when no one is healing you dont stand on the point.. try juke around to aviod focus fire. _________________ doomah wrote: PS: remember kill sena FIRST
Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:28 pm

debaser71 Joined: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:21 am Posts: 617	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP the issue isn't spec...it's the skill gap more people need basic fps 101 skills LoSing, juking, dodging, never running or jetting in straight lines, sweep sniping, tracking, target prioritizing, choosing the right weapon for the situation, situational awareness, lag leading, etc...basic basic stuff /sigh freakin' tab target EQ clones are ruining gamers _________________ FSM AgendaStats.com - where stats are fudged and ratings are rigged.
Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:01 am

-Huff- Beta Tester Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:07 am Posts: 1966 Location: Texas	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP debaser71 wrote: more people need basic fps 101 skills LoSing, juking, dodging, never running or jetting in straight lines, sweep sniping, tracking, target prioritizing, choosing the right weapon for the situation, situational awareness, lag leading, etc...basic basic stuff I think you found the answer.
Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:38 am

HiRezDuke Hi-Rez Team Member Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:07 pm Posts: 5242 Location: Hi-Rez	Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP Nice guide. Keep updating the OP with helpful and productive information, and it will stay a sticky.
Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:03 pm

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V0ldis

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Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:17 pm
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Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

Sooo hokay, besides learning to shoot and not stand still, I thought we could offer new players some general advice to perform better, especially in pvp. I can add these to one big list and separate into classes in the OP if there are enough meaningful replies.

Preparation

1. Change your device keybinds. If you have a mouse with side-buttons take advantage of these. my current layout is 1 - 2 - 3 and then the devices are Mouseforward-Mouseback-F. My boost is 5 so I don't mis-press it and E is my beacon button. Neonphades recommends moving the score page from TAB.

2. Remove mouse acceleration in windows and mouse smoothing in game Go to your control panel and click on "hardware and sound", click "mouse" then go to "pointer options". Uncheck "Enhance Pointer Precision" and then where it says "Select a Pointer Speed" move the slider to the six notch on the slider if it isn't there already and then save.

3. If your mouse skills (aiming) are poor, play Osu! Osu! is a game that requires precise mouse moving and clicking to the tune of music that will help improve your ability to aim, check it out at http://osu.ppy.sh/

4. Unfortunately, ping can be a factor in your success, you may have to consider device choices based on your lag. If you are shooting with a "tracking" weapon a ping of 40 means that you have almost no "lead" in your shots, where as with 100 you may have to aim in front of a moving target. The amount you lead scales with your ping, and at one point or another it becomes difficult to consistently hit your target. Aussies have 30 ping, they are just bad. JK

5. Read your class forum, especially the guides.[i] One of the biggest issues faced by new players is inneffective item and skill selection. In 1.4 the class trees changed, so make sure you aren't reading old information! Some of the most basic and common skill trees are as follows, although you should experiment and suit yours to your playstyle:

1/9/3

1/5/7

6/7/0

(1)/x/8 - place the last four as you see fit

5/0/8

0/6/7

3/7/3

http://www.agendaprofile.com/skill-buil ... 3b814b6000

5/8/0

6. Check out some merc vids.

Robo - Magicandybar

Assault - CaerusX

Medic - Anaakin

7. Playing every class will make you a better player. I played recon exclusively till level 40ish, and regretted it. If you learn other classes' abilities you will be better at countering them. Play healing medic as well to get a better understanding of their cooldowns and healing ability, it will give you a better understanding of when to fight and when to flee. Furthermore, there is constant debate between the easiest classes to play, some say turret robo, bomb-con or healing medic but each presents a new set of challenges and skills. Find what you are most comfortable with and ride that until you have a better understanding of the game.

8. Use armor with the most Ns (health) and Rs (Ranged prot) you can get. Try to get rid of every B and M you can. At level 20 get full rare armor and mods it with full rare mods. At level 30 consider buying the NNR armor from Hawks with your tokens and put epic mods on it.

9. Use the Virtual Reality Arena to test weapons and builds. Even though you have to face players above level 30, the VR is a good place to test builds and weapons while you are queued or getting ready to merc. It can be found in the Transportation section off of the central hub in the dome.

10. Join an agency. Try to join an agency with a coherent mission statement and goal. Don't be afraid to ask questions to the recruiter. Even new agencies should have standards. Don't join any agency that is randomly inviting people, they are usually less organized. Get a mic, and make sure they have voip (mumble is most popular in GA).

11. Buy a booster when you hit 30, but not a moment before. Take your time to learn the classes and how to handle a jetpack in lowbie merc, above 30 is a different game. With that said, obtaining tokens takes quite a while without booster, especially if you aren't getting 15k a week from ava, I do recommend getting at least a 15 day some point, its an especially nice boost if you are leveling through PVE.

12. When you hit 30+ merc check your percentiles amongst the playerbase at Agendastats.com As a ranking system, agendastats allows you to compare your kills/damage/healing/objective points to your peers, giving you the ability to see where you are doing well, and where you are following short relative to others.

13. If you are new to AvA the following threads (amongst others) are a good idea to take a peak at for ideas on strikeforce class balance and tactics:

Sansa's AvA guide for new players
Aexrael's Foundation of a Strikeforce
VOldis' video comilation

There are many other worthy guides - too many to post. If you are an officer or strikeforce leader then reading the forums is practically a must. Post 1.4 the best comps would be 4 assaults, 4 medics and either 2 recons and 1 robo or vice-versa. I recommend using a bomb-con and a sniper to scorpia pain gun targets. There are also many helpful people waiting to assist you, don't be afraid to ask in city.

Tactics

1. Don't be afraid to REST in pvp Especially if you are a recon and have bionics, rest is pretty easy to use. You might suggest that 10 seconds and power loss isn't much better than dying, but you want to save your BOOST. HOWEVER, be aware, rest applies a debuff so you take increased damage and are an easy kill if not crafty. It is worth it however, if you stay alive you get more shatters, bubbles, smashes and healing, which can easily win you a point.

2. Place shatters on roofs and walls It is very easy to both escape or place walls and domes around shatters to prevent them from taking out nests. Get creative with your shatter placement and you can catch players unawares. Also this can be construed as advice to robos to block those bombs

3. Don't sit on point (and/or expect heals) if turrets are going up around you. More players on point does not make it cap faster! The easiest way to capture a point is if the enemy is dead or scattered. Sitting on point while robos nest up around you will lead to a team wipe. The medics will not want to keep healing you if you play too passively, even if you are a point tank.

4. If you are stealth or in Perfect Target you cannot capture a point! If you are low on health and using one of these abilities you are better off resting and running away because the point attracts enemies.

5. This game is about movement. Whether you are a medic or a tank assault, you must be constantly moving and aware of what is around you. Standing stationary on point will only get you killed from behind. Robos should be building and rebuilding, snipers putting themselves in position to not miss, assaults taking out turrets and robos around the objective and medics thrusting up and around to avoid fire.

6. If you are the only one alive don't attack the point alone. You will probably die. In AvA teams often engage if they get at least one person down, on a roof or away from the point, the loss of a healer or damage class can easily sway the battle.

7. If an enemy with low health is far away or fleeing use your smg. It has greater range and accuracy for assaults, as such the Rhino SMG may not be the best choice of smg.

8. This isn't call of duty, if you are a sniper don't crouch, strafe. A crouching sniper is an easy target for other snipers. Furthermore, learn to shoot with bionics in sniping battles.

9. Make Robo nests your priority This is not the "recon's job," if everyone focuses, they go down quick. If the robo is very squishy you can attempt to kill him first, but generally you will find that you have to take out his med-crate. With this accomplished, kill the robo and then the turret. Recons - never throw bombs and run away. It does nothing, finish off the job.

10. Kill players attacking turrets. Robos: YOU CAN KILL THE PERSON ATTACKING YOUR TURRET. If you cooldown is up you don't always need to save it, killing the attacker and putting down a new one works. A meleecon slashing at the back of a turret is an easy kill. For everyone else: any medics healing someone taking out a nest is particularly vulnerable as they don't want to stray too far from the task at hand. If a robo still has his medcrate and/or power station up, standing in them to take out enemies attacking the nest gives you the upper hand.

11. If a good assault is being pocketed by a medic, focus the medic. The assault will be very tough to kill, but 2-3 people shouldn't have too much trouble with the medic. This tandem will be very powerful, as an assault with a medic will crush robo nests. If they are farming kills away from the objective, ignore them, just be careful if you are out there alone.

12. Manage your power wisely. Medics: don't heal targets at full health. Assaults: Right click when you can and bring powerstim. Robo's dont heal your turret unnecessarily. Recons: lolbionics.

13. Don't use perfect target. It makes you a worse player and doesn't help the team. Chances are you won't get healed up while in it. If you need, bring two shields and run Aegis.

14. If you are a medic make obtaining a second profile a priority. Being able to switch between healing and poison depending on the number of other medics can help a team a lot. Make sure you communicate.

More to come!

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Last edited by V0ldis on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:25 pm, edited 34 times in total.

Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:24 am

Mhak

Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:30 am
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Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

V0ldis wrote:

Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

1. Shoot turrets first, medics second, robos third, assaults and recons only if they're on a point or trying to kill you.

2. Don't suck. I don't know how most of you manage to skip this step, but please stop. It's a f*** important step.

3. ?????????????????????

4. PROFIT

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Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:10 am

ForeverAlone

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Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:00 pm
Posts: 175

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

Everyone knows playing a poison medic and pistol sniping off-point is the most efficient way to support your team...

God.

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Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:15 am

SteamTrout

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:21 am
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Location: Land of Rainbows and Sunshine

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

If there's an assault in front of you with 200 health left, waving his hands and bodyblocking your shots - please heal him. Please.

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Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:34 am

-Ironheart

Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:34 am
Posts: 1141
Location: Moscow

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

Don't play rere.

Don't play poison.

Don't play drobo.

None of these "specs" will help you get better at the game.

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Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:52 am

Roja

Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:05 pm
Posts: 223

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

Medics.. dont got for KILLS, go for healing, assists!!! thats the medic class job!, stay on point helping ur Assaults. nad if u feel like running with a poison wave, use Neut wave, that can win matches!!!.

Robos have med crates. dont stick with them, Recons have bionics they can rest also dont waste time healing recons off the point when ur assaults are there getting the s*** kicked out of them!!!

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Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:00 pm

-Sena-

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Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:51 pm
Posts: 791
Location: hk

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

when no one is healing you dont stand on the point.. try juke around to aviod focus fire.

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PS: remember kill sena FIRST

Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:28 pm

debaser71

Joined: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:21 am
Posts: 617

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

the issue isn't spec...it's the skill gap

more people need basic fps 101 skills

LoSing, juking, dodging, never running or jetting in straight lines, sweep sniping, tracking, target prioritizing, choosing the right weapon for the situation, situational awareness, lag leading, etc...basic basic stuff

/sigh

freakin' tab target EQ clones are ruining gamers

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Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:01 am

-Huff-

Beta Tester

Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:07 am
Posts: 1966
Location: Texas

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

debaser71 wrote:

more people need basic fps 101 skills

LoSing, juking, dodging, never running or jetting in straight lines, sweep sniping, tracking, target prioritizing, choosing the right weapon for the situation, situational awareness, lag leading, etc...basic basic stuff

I think you found the answer.

Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:38 am

HiRezDuke

Hi-Rez Team Member

Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:07 pm
Posts: 5242
Location: Hi-Rez

Re: Tips and Tricks for New Players in PvP

Nice guide.

Keep updating the OP with helpful and productive information, and it will stay a sticky.

Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:03 pm