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Wildtaz Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm Posts: 34	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Spynet wrote: AvA seriously needed a mechanic that makes it exponentially harder to keep large territories. I've been asking for this for over a month now. We might ACTUALLY have a player-driven world soon. GASP Well... I'm not holding my breath to see if these changes make AvA any more casual/small agency-freindly. my thoughts as well.
Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:59 pm

onorc Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:19 pm Posts: 2	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Greeve wrote: I dont understand how you dont feel the knockback was causing the problem. If your guys arent getting knocked off the point, then there is no way for the guy to cap it, even if he is invincible for 10s. A better nerf would have been to simply add a perfect target like effect to the character who is shielded to not be able to cap anything. I would rather they take this boost back to the drawing board and come up with something more creative than simply taking our original boost, making it single target and adding a knockback effect, because thats really all it is now. Very little differentiation in terms of playstyle and a half assed fix in my opinion. agreed. now its meh and i wish i hadn't spent 50 c-tokens on it. should have left the boost alone except for to make user unable to cap. i don't think ive gotten to use it more than 5x in one match anyway, and that was a long match. as it is now its kinda worthless.
Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:15 pm

Fiftysixk Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:27 am Posts: 942 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Steam Gamer Name: [PLC] BIGRED	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Wildtaz wrote: Spynet wrote: AvA seriously needed a mechanic that makes it exponentially harder to keep large territories. I've been asking for this for over a month now. We might ACTUALLY have a player-driven world soon. GASP Well... I'm not holding my breath to see if these changes make AvA any more casual/small agency-freindly. my thoughts as well. What I wrote in a thread the other day: camaro406ss wrote: Im glad they decided that the situation was bad enough that it warranted an immediate change to the system. I like the idea of strategically placing your HQ where you think it would most benefit your agency. My only complaint is the whole random aspect of losing hexes that are "too far" away. Randomly losing hexes is uninteresting, I would rather see some sort of meaningful disadvantage given to the defending team if the hex they control is too far from their HQ. How about a scorched earth aura? Maybe something like an escalating stat disadvantage? What do you think about speed, protection, and damage being adjusted by how far they are away from their HQ? Each piece of tech they bring can have less health and damage. Dropships can carry less cargo. Why not have it so if its 4 hexes away from the HQ its -5% per player and 10% per tech? When its 20 hexes away its 30% less speed, protection, and damage per player and -50% per tech. Losing hexes too far away from your main base would take care of itself, screw random losses. _________________
Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:26 pm

Wildtaz Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm Posts: 34	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 onorc wrote: Greeve wrote: I dont understand how you dont feel the knockback was causing the problem. If your guys arent getting knocked off the point, then there is no way for the guy to cap it, even if he is invincible for 10s. A better nerf would have been to simply add a perfect target like effect to the character who is shielded to not be able to cap anything. I would rather they take this boost back to the drawing board and come up with something more creative than simply taking our original boost, making it single target and adding a knockback effect, because thats really all it is now. Very little differentiation in terms of playstyle and a half assed fix in my opinion. agreed. now its meh and i wish i hadn't spent 50 c-tokens on it. should have left the boost alone except for to make user unable to cap. i don't think ive gotten to use it more than 5x in one match anyway, and that was a long match. as it is now its kinda worthless. think if they modify anything from the Conquest or Merc store, they should also remove 'Said" item from peoples inventory and credit back the tokens spent on it. That way IF you still want to keep it you can go back and purchase it.
Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Hyral Beta Tester Joined: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:39 pm Posts: 62	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Sansa wrote: Please leave minimun time at 1 hr. 2 hrs will burn us out more than we already are. Even after you defend your hexes while open, you still have to spend time trying to take back any hexes you lost after production is closed. This requires someone to play 3 hrs a night, that's not practical. This patch was DESIGNED to do just that, burn the big agencies out so the little ones get a shot at some territory, stop thinking about yourself and think about the entire game and how the rest of the community/smaller AvA agencies see this change, to them, its fantastic, to you, well now you have to do more work to deal with your 120 some-odd hexes. this is the price you pay for over expansion. And if you can't deal with it, well go troll the forums and cry about it some more, iunno what to tell you there (but since the trolling/crying of forums is typical JL behavior I expect this in the near future). In conclusion: deal the f*** with it.
Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:52 pm

Sycarius Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:20 pm Posts: 2298 Location: Near HiRez :)	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Hyral wrote: Sansa wrote: Please leave minimun time at 1 hr. 2 hrs will burn us out more than we already are. Even after you defend your hexes while open, you still have to spend time trying to take back any hexes you lost after production is closed. This requires someone to play 3 hrs a night, that's not practical. This patch was DESIGNED to do just that, burn the big agencies out so the little ones get a shot at some territory, stop thinking about yourself and think about the entire game and how the rest of the community/smaller AvA agencies see this change, to them, its fantastic, to you, well now you have to do more work to deal with your 120 some-odd hexes. this is the price you pay for over expansion. And if you can't deal with it, well go troll the forums and cry about it some more, iunno what to tell you there (but since the trolling/crying of forums is typical JL behavior I expect this in the near future). In conclusion: deal the f*** with it. Okay then, so you think large Agencies who have a big stake in winning will burn-out? In the process of them burning out, what happens to the small Agencies with 2 hexes open during the 8-10 hours a day that the large Agencies have to be online to produce and defend? I'm sure the "little guys" will thank you for being so insightful as they are on for 3 hours a night minimum wasting their time by gaining little-to-no map coverage. You aren't thinking about smaller Agencies. You're just happy the large Agencies take a hit. It's a completely counter-productive change that is basically a reversion toward the previous system that forced people to play 40+ hours a week. _________________ Signature by -Nomad-
Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:03 pm

blue Beta Tester Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 8:49 am Posts: 3877 Steam Gamer Name: blue	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 "Burn-Out" means get tired of the game and quit. If you think 'making players quit' is a good design concept.....
Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:07 pm

LiuAnshan Beta Tester Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:41 pm Posts: 502 Steam Gamer Name: 刘安山 or LiuAnshan	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Hyral wrote: Sansa wrote: Please leave minimun time at 1 hr. 2 hrs will burn us out more than we already are. Even after you defend your hexes while open, you still have to spend time trying to take back any hexes you lost after production is closed. This requires someone to play 3 hrs a night, that's not practical. This patch was DESIGNED to do just that, burn the big agencies out so the little ones get a shot at some territory, stop thinking about yourself and think about the entire game and how the rest of the community/smaller AvA agencies see this change, to them, its fantastic, to you, well now you have to do more work to deal with your 120 some-odd hexes. this is the price you pay for over expansion. And if you can't deal with it, well go troll the forums and cry about it some more, iunno what to tell you there (but since the trolling/crying of forums is typical JL behavior I expect this in the near future). In conclusion: deal the f*** with it. I don't think she's only "thinking about herself", I'm pretty sure she's thinking about the future of the game as a whole and how good an idea it is to have a game mechanic that is likely to burn out players that are successful. _________________ Always trying to get better.
Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:47 pm

Wildtaz Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm Posts: 34	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 its not desgined to "burn players out" but as ya said its to give smaller agencys a fighting chance,and to prevent large ones from just dominating everyting and making AvA pointless. IF it was about who had the bigger agency you mite as well just have Fubar,Vortex,and Protocol roll a dice to see who wins.now this is no disrespect to those agencys, but even Protocol tried to point out the Exploits with in the AvA system so HR would change it. And as I stated earlyer,its NOT about how many HEXES you own its your NET WORTH. PvP games are really hard to balance aspecially when you throw territory control into the mix,GA is only 4months old.
Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:15 pm

GaleDogma Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:37 am Posts: 2	Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010 Love how JL just completely beats the system by creating a bunch of extra agencies and throwing a couple of their extra people in there so that their hexes don't auto open as much.
Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:35 pm

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Wildtaz

Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm
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Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Spynet wrote:

AvA seriously needed a mechanic that makes it exponentially harder to keep large territories. I've been asking for this for over a month now. We might ACTUALLY have a player-driven world soon. *GASP*

Well... I'm not holding my breath to see if these changes make AvA any more casual/small agency-freindly.

my thoughts as well.

Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:59 pm

onorc

Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:19 pm
Posts: 2

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Greeve wrote:

I dont understand how you dont feel the knockback was causing the problem. If your guys arent getting knocked off the point, then there is no way for the guy to cap it, even if he is invincible for 10s. A better nerf would have been to simply add a perfect target like effect to the character who is shielded to not be able to cap anything. I would rather they take this boost back to the drawing board and come up with something more creative than simply taking our original boost, making it single target and adding a knockback effect, because thats really all it is now. Very little differentiation in terms of playstyle and a half assed fix in my opinion.

agreed. now its meh and i wish i hadn't spent 50 c-tokens on it.
should have left the boost alone except for to make user unable to cap.
i don't think ive gotten to use it more than 5x in one match anyway, and that was a long match. as it is now its kinda worthless.

Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:15 pm

Fiftysixk

Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:27 am
Posts: 942
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Steam Gamer Name: [PLC] BIGRED

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Wildtaz wrote:

Spynet wrote:

my thoughts as well.

What I wrote in a thread the other day:

camaro406ss wrote:

Im glad they decided that the situation was bad enough that it warranted an immediate change to the system. I like the idea of strategically placing your HQ where you think it would most benefit your agency.

My only complaint is the whole random aspect of losing hexes that are "too far" away. Randomly losing hexes is uninteresting, I would rather see some sort of meaningful disadvantage given to the defending team if the hex they control is too far from their HQ.

How about a scorched earth aura? Maybe something like an escalating stat disadvantage? What do you think about speed, protection, and damage being adjusted by how far they are away from their HQ? Each piece of tech they bring can have less health and damage. Dropships can carry less cargo. Why not have it so if its 4 hexes away from the HQ its -5% per player and 10% per tech? When its 20 hexes away its 30% less speed, protection, and damage per player and -50% per tech. Losing hexes too far away from your main base would take care of itself, screw random losses.

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Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:26 pm

Wildtaz

Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm
Posts: 34

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

onorc wrote:

Greeve wrote:

think if they modify anything from the Conquest or Merc store, they should also remove 'Said" item from peoples inventory and credit back the tokens spent on it. That way IF you still want to keep it you can go back and purchase it.

Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Hyral

Beta Tester

Joined: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:39 pm
Posts: 62

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Sansa wrote:

Please leave minimun time at 1 hr. 2 hrs will burn us out more than we already are. Even after you defend your hexes while open, you still have to spend time trying to take back any hexes you lost after production is closed. This requires someone to play 3 hrs a night, that's not practical.

This patch was DESIGNED to do just that, burn the big agencies out so the little ones get a shot at some territory, stop thinking about yourself and think about the entire game and how the rest of the community/smaller AvA agencies see this change, to them, its fantastic, to you, well now you have to do more work to deal with your 120 some-odd hexes. this is the price you pay for over expansion. And if you can't deal with it, well go troll the forums and cry about it some more, iunno what to tell you there (but since the trolling/crying of forums is typical JL behavior I expect this in the near future).

In conclusion: deal the f*** with it.

Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:52 pm

Sycarius

Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:20 pm
Posts: 2298
Location: Near HiRez :)

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Hyral wrote:

Sansa wrote:

Okay then, so you think large Agencies who have a big stake in winning will burn-out? In the process of them burning out, what happens to the small Agencies with 2 hexes open during the 8-10 hours a day that the large Agencies have to be online to produce and defend?

I'm sure the "little guys" will thank you for being so insightful as they are on for 3 hours a night minimum wasting their time by gaining little-to-no map coverage. You aren't thinking about smaller Agencies. You're just happy the large Agencies take a hit. It's a completely counter-productive change that is basically a reversion toward the previous system that forced people to play 40+ hours a week.

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Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:03 pm

blue

Beta Tester

Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 8:49 am
Posts: 3877
Steam Gamer Name: blue

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

"Burn-Out" means get tired of the game and quit. If you think 'making players quit' is a good design concept.....

Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:07 pm

LiuAnshan

Beta Tester

Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:41 pm
Posts: 502
Steam Gamer Name: 刘安山 or LiuAnshan

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Hyral wrote:

Sansa wrote:

I don't think she's only "thinking about herself", I'm pretty sure she's thinking about the future of the game as a whole and how good an idea it is to have a game mechanic that is likely to burn out players that are successful.

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Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:47 pm

Wildtaz

Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:06 pm
Posts: 34

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

its not desgined to "burn players out" but as ya said its to give smaller agencys a fighting chance,and to prevent large ones from just dominating everyting and making AvA pointless.
IF it was about who had the bigger agency you mite as well just have Fubar,Vortex,and Protocol roll a dice to see who wins.now this is no disrespect to those agencys, but even Protocol tried to point out the Exploits with in the AvA system so HR would change it.
And as I stated earlyer,its NOT about how many HEXES you own its your NET WORTH. PvP games are really hard to balance aspecially when you throw territory control into the mix,GA is only 4months old.

Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:15 pm

GaleDogma

Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:37 am
Posts: 2

Re: Global Agenda Hot Fix - 6/18/2010

Love how JL just completely beats the system by creating a bunch of extra agencies and throwing a couple of their extra people in there so that their hexes don't auto open as much.

Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:35 pm