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VashTHT Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm Posts: 1104	Re: Server Browser Lesteriuse wrote: ponyhof wrote: pubD wrote: The evidence is right in front of you. Right now there are plenty of custom servers and yet NO ONE plays on them except for pug servers or clan servers. Play now is just too easy and it's right there. or the more likely answer is "noone wants/needs them". How about that? People enjoy the game as is, without modifications and without important admins harassing players or trying to teach them to play. You want to force all players who does not need/want custom servers playing there. No good idea. Oh yes, people enjoy the game as it is. They don't leave after playing less than 20 hours, they definitely don't. The game isn't dying faster than GA did. You are completely right, all the evidence goes in your favour. I think you're missing an important point: Without conformity in servers we'd be looking at each server being different from the next. It would be really, really confusing to anyone looking to play a game, and so what do they do? They go to the "Official" servers, and then they think, "This game is not fun" and they leave. The first and most important step is balancing and fixing the OFFICIAL game, otherwise this is going to turn into mod after mod after mod and it'll be a huge mess of servers all playing differently. We don't need a Civil War. Look at a game like CS, I can scroll through countless servers and the variations used are almost always the same. With T:A, and what people have been saying, the variations would likely be extensive. We'd have too many, and I believe this would damage the game. I think the Base Game needs to be fixed before any of this happens. _________________ AsuraPhoenix wrote: blackwhiskers wrote: regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you. No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others. No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1741 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Server Browser Except it has been like this in every single game to date. Besides, official Hi-Rez servers could have a flashy and shiny icon right by their name so the players that can't read server names like [default rules], [no strikes], [shrike only] can still get into a match even though they boast a 1-digit IQ. _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:09 pm

VashTHT Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm Posts: 1104	Re: Server Browser Lesteriuse wrote: Except it has been like this in every single game to date. Besides, official Hi-Rez servers could have a flashy and shiny icon right by their name so the players that can't read server names like [default rules], [no strikes], [shrike only] can still get into a match even though they boast a 1-digit IQ. But that's my point. If they didn't like Official Servers before, they'd go to them, and then what? "Oh, it's the same... ugh... see ya." It's best to have a good, popular game to start with that people THEN mod and alter, as opposed to a game that is decent, but doesn't retain many players, that people then mod and alter. _________________ AsuraPhoenix wrote: blackwhiskers wrote: regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you. No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others. No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:13 pm

Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1741 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Server Browser My point is that players that can't even parse something as simple as a f*** server list aren't even worth keeping. I don't think anyone that has troubles doing even the simplest tasks like that can coordinate in a team and be an intelligent teammate. And vice versa. If you have people that can contribute to the Tribes experience of teamwork, they won't have a problem selecting a default server. EDIT: since you actually have to pay money for a server, you won't have an abundance of useless servers with retarded settings. If you can't think of/mimic a popular setting, there's no point in renting a server because you'd effectively be wasting money. _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage Last edited by Lesteriuse on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:24 pm

Mabeline Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:56 am Posts: 329 Location: eSports	Re: Server Browser you are one of the worst posters on the forum please stop the convenience of 'play now' is absolutely an essential thing - you're so incredibly myopic it's laughable _________________ SkepticTA wrote: The only thing comp needs to ban is Mabel.
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:27 pm

Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1741 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Server Browser Mabeline wrote: you are one of the worst posters on the forum please stop the convenience of 'play now' is absolutely an essential thing - you're so incredibly myopic it's laughable Fair enough. How would you fix the eternally empty custom servers? _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:31 pm

Mabeline Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:56 am Posts: 329 Location: eSports	Re: Server Browser the t;a ui has a real problem with conveying importance. everything is listed top down, completely homogeneous fonts and styling, which means that the thing on top must be the most important. think of any website you regularly use, how many of them put completely separate categories of things in a vertical list? play now provides a completely consistent experience. i personally don't want to be bothered with dealing with every server's obnoxious nuances, they simply don't provide enough of a difference in experience to justify the pain of dealing with the potentially obnoxious {rules,admins,rotations,culture,...} of any particular server, because i simply don't care about it. i just log on to crush noobs, the only way i'll ever get a decent experience is in a pickup (and even those tend to be pretty trashy in terms of game quality). the very idea of moving to a server-browser only system is ridiculous, it's not that games have been so dumbed down that people no longer comprehend a server browser, it's that matchmaking is way easier to use, even if you can handle slogging through a server list. extending the matchmaker to include a proper party system, smoothing out the joining process, adding preferred/banned map lists, fixing the god awful region system, improving the rules, and straight up improving the game are all far more important and useful than the nostalgia trip that is a (potentially mandatory?!?) server browser. making the basic flow for getting in to the game more complicated is certainly not the answer. _________________ SkepticTA wrote: The only thing comp needs to ban is Mabel. Last edited by Mabeline on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:47 pm

strydr26 Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:47 pm Posts: 8	Re: Server Browser What about something like a current average player level in the server browser so its easy (and quick) to find one close to your level. I am all in for having a server browser though - quick join continuously frustrates me
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:50 pm

strydr26 Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:47 pm Posts: 8	Re: Server Browser but KEEP the quick join also - sometimes Im just too high to look and pick from a list :p and by high I mean crazy effing altitude ...
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:52 pm

pubD Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:14 pm Posts: 359	Re: Server Browser How about we discuss a few ideas? If play now has to stay: 1. Play Now becomes something mainly for new players. After rank 10ish you will get a message with something like "WARNING: Play Now is intended for new players. Players over rank 10 will not gain XP. Use the server browser! [Continue anyway?]" or 2. Play Now picks a random hi-rez server/custom server for you from servers on the browser (hopefully you would be able to use filters to narrow down the type of game you want). Also there should be a way to view the server info from in game to see if you want to stay on the server or not. _________________ T:A - existence
Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:57 pm

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VashTHT

Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm
Posts: 1104

Re: Server Browser

Lesteriuse wrote:

ponyhof wrote:

pubD wrote:

The evidence is right in front of you. Right now there are plenty of custom servers and yet NO ONE plays on them except for pug servers or clan servers. Play now is just too easy and it's right there.

or the more likely answer is "noone wants/needs them". How about that? People enjoy the game as is, without modifications and without important admins harassing players or trying to teach them to play.
You want to force all players who does not need/want custom servers playing there. No good idea.

Oh yes, people enjoy the game as it is. They don't leave after playing less than 20 hours, they definitely don't. The game isn't dying faster than GA did.

You are completely right, all the evidence goes in your favour.

I think you're missing an important point:

Without conformity in servers we'd be looking at each server being different from the next. It would be really, really confusing to anyone looking to play a game, and so what do they do? They go to the "Official" servers, and then they think, "This game is not fun" and they leave.

The first and most important step is balancing and fixing the OFFICIAL game, otherwise this is going to turn into mod after mod after mod and it'll be a huge mess of servers all playing differently. We don't need a Civil War.

Look at a game like CS, I can scroll through countless servers and the variations used are almost always the same. With T:A, and what people have been saying, the variations would likely be extensive. We'd have too many, and I believe this would damage the game.

I think the Base Game needs to be fixed before any of this happens.

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AsuraPhoenix wrote:

blackwhiskers wrote:

regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you.

No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others.

No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:05 pm

Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1741
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Server Browser

Except it has been like this in every single game to date. Besides, official Hi-Rez servers could have a flashy and shiny icon right by their name so the players that can't read server names like [default rules], [no strikes], [shrike only] can still get into a match even though they boast a 1-digit IQ.

_________________

A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:09 pm

VashTHT

Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm
Posts: 1104

Re: Server Browser

Lesteriuse wrote:

But that's my point. If they didn't like Official Servers before, they'd go to them, and then what? "Oh, it's the same... ugh... see ya."

It's best to have a good, popular game to start with that people THEN mod and alter, as opposed to a game that is decent, but doesn't retain many players, that people then mod and alter.

_________________

AsuraPhoenix wrote:

blackwhiskers wrote:

regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you.

No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others.

No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:13 pm

Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1741
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Server Browser

My point is that players that can't even parse something as simple as a f*** server list aren't even worth keeping. I don't think anyone that has troubles doing even the simplest tasks like that can coordinate in a team and be an intelligent teammate.

And vice versa. If you have people that can contribute to the Tribes experience of teamwork, they won't have a problem selecting a default server.

EDIT: since you actually have to pay money for a server, you won't have an abundance of useless servers with retarded settings. If you can't think of/mimic a popular setting, there's no point in renting a server because you'd effectively be wasting money.

_________________

A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Last edited by Lesteriuse on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:24 pm

Mabeline

Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:56 am
Posts: 329
Location: eSports

Re: Server Browser

you are one of the worst posters on the forum please stop
the convenience of 'play now' is absolutely an essential thing - you're so incredibly myopic it's laughable

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SkepticTA wrote:

The only thing comp needs to ban is Mabel.

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:27 pm

Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1741
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Server Browser

Mabeline wrote:

you are one of the worst posters on the forum please stop
the convenience of 'play now' is absolutely an essential thing - you're so incredibly myopic it's laughable

Fair enough.

How would you fix the eternally empty custom servers?

_________________

A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:31 pm

Mabeline

Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:56 am
Posts: 329
Location: eSports

Re: Server Browser

the t;a ui has a real problem with conveying importance. everything is listed top down, completely homogeneous fonts and styling, which means that the thing on top must be the most important. think of any website you regularly use, how many of them put completely separate categories of things in a vertical list?

play now provides a completely consistent experience. i personally don't want to be bothered with dealing with every server's obnoxious nuances, they simply don't provide enough of a difference in experience to justify the pain of dealing with the potentially obnoxious {rules,admins,rotations,culture,...} of any particular server, because i simply don't care about it. i just log on to crush noobs, the only way i'll ever get a decent experience is in a pickup (and even those tend to be pretty trashy in terms of game quality).

the very idea of moving to a server-browser only system is ridiculous, it's not that games have been so dumbed down that people no longer comprehend a server browser, it's that matchmaking is way easier to use, even if you can handle slogging through a server list.

extending the matchmaker to include a proper party system, smoothing out the joining process, adding preferred/banned map lists, fixing the god awful region system, improving the rules, and straight up improving the game are all far more important and useful than the nostalgia trip that is a (potentially mandatory?!?) server browser.

making the basic flow for getting in to the game more complicated is certainly not the answer.

_________________

SkepticTA wrote:

The only thing comp needs to ban is Mabel.

Last edited by Mabeline on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:47 pm

strydr26

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:47 pm
Posts: 8

Re: Server Browser

What about something like a current average player level in the server browser so its easy (and quick) to find one close to your level.

I am all in for having a server browser though - quick join continuously frustrates me

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:50 pm

strydr26

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:47 pm
Posts: 8

Re: Server Browser

but KEEP the quick join also - sometimes Im just too high to look and pick from a list :p

and by high I mean crazy effing altitude ...

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:52 pm

pubD

Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:14 pm
Posts: 359

Re: Server Browser

How about we discuss a few ideas? If play now has to stay:

1. Play Now becomes something mainly for new players. After rank 10ish you will get a message with something like "WARNING: Play Now is intended for new players. Players over rank 10 will not gain XP. Use the server browser! [Continue anyway?]"

or

2. Play Now picks a random hi-rez server/custom server for you from servers on the browser (hopefully you would be able to use filters to narrow down the type of game you want). Also there should be a way to view the server info from in game to see if you want to stay on the server or not.

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T:A - existence

Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:57 pm

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