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Pyu-Pyu Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:27 am Posts: 76	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Saeviomage wrote: < many things > Thank you for the advice! I don't think I'll try and become an AR/Thumper person so I guess I'll try to be more clever even it it means I'll have to run away some times. When I used the Juggernaut gun people said angry things in the chat box, I would rather not have it like that. Maybe I'll learn to be a flagger instead. _________________ RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT RABBIT
Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:17 am

Jahnome Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:06 pm Posts: 74	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Immie wrote: Jahnome wrote: Surely you don't actually believe autos are difficult to use. Difficulty is relative. Is it hard to land 1-2 bullets out of every magazine? Of course not... but I have noticed a strange trend where essentially every player that believes autos are easy weapons are also pretty horrible at using them. The fact that various levels of success occur at all is proof that there is skill involved. No, they really don't. If you play the game for more than an hour and still can't land at least half a mag on anyone with chains, you just suck. They're incredibly easy weapons. It baffles be that anyone thinks they're hard to use. It's more like...rather than requiring skill to excel with them, it requires you to be s*** to not be decent with em.
Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:14 am

Punichan Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 am Posts: 458	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines actually... I think it's a great idea... (a person who uses Cheap PTH auto, and also NJ5 of RDR) for I was on both the user, and receiver side of the auto war...
Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:52 pm

Trundle Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:38 pm Posts: 346	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Jahnome wrote: Immie wrote: Jahnome wrote: Surely you don't actually believe autos are difficult to use. Difficulty is relative. Is it hard to land 1-2 bullets out of every magazine? Of course not... but I have noticed a strange trend where essentially every player that believes autos are easy weapons are also pretty horrible at using them. The fact that various levels of success occur at all is proof that there is skill involved. No, they really don't. If you play the game for more than an hour and still can't land at least half a mag on anyone with chains, you just suck. They're incredibly easy weapons. It baffles be that anyone thinks they're hard to use. It's more like...rather than requiring skill to excel with them, it requires you to be s*** to not be decent with em. Confirmed. Bad auto user in most games always liked rockets, grenades etc. T:A? Super easy to hose ppl down.
Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:59 pm

Saeviomage Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:59 pm Posts: 496	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos.
Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:14 am

Jahnome Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:06 pm Posts: 74	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Saeviomage wrote: ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos. Implying, etc.
Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:05 pm

Lesteriuse Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm Posts: 1743 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Using autos at floating targets is just as easy as hitting splash shots that deal a lot of damage because of banded splash. Autos are very unreliable against strafing targets(unless they're heavies), and spinfusors are very unreliable against floating targets(unless they're heavies). Also, @whoever said autos are subsonic in Ascend; they're not. They travel at around mach 3, if I recall the m/s values for them correctly. I'll roam around the forums to confirm. EDIT: Confirmed. Every auto has a projectile speed of 420 m/s, which translates to 1512 km/h. My estimation was way off, they travel at 1.23 mach, which falls into the supersonic category of speeds. _________________ A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage
Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:50 am

Immie Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm Posts: 1310	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines I know for a fact that not all bullet weapons have the same speed, but even if the slower ones are moving at 1.2 mach, that's still a hell of a lot slower than the light speed hitscan bullets you find in basiaclly every other game. My point was that bullet weapons in TA are not easily compared to other games, and they're certainly not objectively better or worse than any other game's take on bullets. _________________ Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes.
Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:26 am

Firerizer Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:35 pm Posts: 1318	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Lesteriuse wrote: Using autos at floating targets is just as easy as hitting splash shots that deal a lot of damage because of banded splash. Autos are very unreliable against strafing targets(unless they're heavies), and spinfusors are very unreliable against floating targets(unless they're heavies). Also, @whoever said autos are subsonic in Ascend; they're not. They travel at around mach 3, if I recall the m/s values for them correctly. I'll roam around the forums to confirm. EDIT: Confirmed. Every auto has a projectile speed of 420 m/s, which translates to 1512 km/h. My estimation was way off, they travel at 1.23 mach, which falls into the supersonic category of speeds. Ok, if Autos and Hyper pistols travel at 420m/s... Why is my Fusion/nuclear/(?) assisted, explosive disk, railgun (Spinfusor) travelling at 74 m/s (?) ? If smg's travel at 1.23 mach, why can't my Spinfusor travel at mach 2. And, since it's mass has been accounted for in its advanced technolocial, futuristic design... It should beable to transfer, both, kinetic and (exotic) explosive damage more efficiently in a one shot hit than any of the generous sprinklings of smgs/pistols/knives. The amount and damage of the Auto catagories can stay the same, just, bring the Spinfusor into a better parity, instead of b*astardizing the Spinfusor.
Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:40 pm

Saeviomage Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:59 pm Posts: 496	Re: Automatic weapons and magazines Jahnome wrote: Saeviomage wrote: ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos. Implying, etc. The only possible explanation I can think of for people who think it's really easy to land a whole clip is that the targets they are shooting at are terrible at avoiding fire. Ok, so perhaps I should rephrase: ITT, people who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos
Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:29 pm

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Pyu-Pyu

Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:27 am
Posts: 76

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Saeviomage wrote:

< many things >

Thank you for the advice! I don't think I'll try and become an AR/Thumper person so I guess I'll try to be more clever even it it means I'll have to run away some times. When I used the Juggernaut gun people said angry things in the chat box, I would rather not have it like that. Maybe I'll learn to be a flagger instead.

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Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:17 am

Jahnome

Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:06 pm
Posts: 74

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Immie wrote:

Jahnome wrote:

Surely you don't actually believe autos are difficult to use.

Difficulty is relative. Is it hard to land 1-2 bullets out of every magazine? Of course not... but I have noticed a strange trend where essentially every player that believes autos are easy weapons are also pretty horrible at using them. The fact that various levels of success occur at all is proof that there is skill involved.

No, they really don't. If you play the game for more than an hour and still can't land at least half a mag on anyone with chains, you just suck. They're incredibly easy weapons. It baffles be that anyone thinks they're hard to use.

It's more like...rather than requiring skill to excel with them, it requires you to be s*** to not be decent with em.

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:14 am

Punichan

Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:46 am
Posts: 458

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

actually... I think it's a great idea... (a person who uses Cheap PTH auto, and also NJ5 of RDR) for I was on both the user, and receiver side of the auto war...

Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:52 pm

Trundle

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:38 pm
Posts: 346

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Jahnome wrote:

Immie wrote:

Jahnome wrote:

Surely you don't actually believe autos are difficult to use.

Confirmed. Bad auto user in most games always liked rockets, grenades etc. T:A? Super easy to hose ppl down.

Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:59 pm

Saeviomage

Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:59 pm
Posts: 496

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos.

Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:14 am

Jahnome

Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:06 pm
Posts: 74

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Saeviomage wrote:

ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos.

Implying, etc.

Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:05 pm

Lesteriuse

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm
Posts: 1743
Location: Zagreb, Croatia

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Using autos at floating targets is just as easy as hitting splash shots that deal a lot of damage because of banded splash.

Autos are very unreliable against strafing targets(unless they're heavies), and spinfusors are very unreliable against floating targets(unless they're heavies).

Also, @whoever said autos are subsonic in Ascend; they're not. They travel at around mach 3, if I recall the m/s values for them correctly. I'll roam around the forums to confirm.

EDIT: Confirmed. Every auto has a projectile speed of 420 m/s, which translates to 1512 km/h. My estimation was way off, they travel at 1.23 mach, which falls into the supersonic category of speeds.

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A thread on performance bottlenecks in the engine and what needs to be optimised
My blueplate/mid-air nitron montage

Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:50 am

Immie

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm
Posts: 1310

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

I know for a fact that not all bullet weapons have the same speed, but even if the slower ones are moving at 1.2 mach, that's still a hell of a lot slower than the light speed hitscan bullets you find in basiaclly every other game. My point was that bullet weapons in TA are not easily compared to other games, and they're certainly not objectively better or worse than any other game's take on bullets.

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Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:26 am

Firerizer

Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:35 pm
Posts: 1318

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Lesteriuse wrote:

Ok, if Autos and Hyper pistols travel at 420m/s...
Why is my Fusion/nuclear/(?) assisted, explosive disk, railgun (Spinfusor) travelling at 74 m/s (?) ?
If smg's travel at 1.23 mach, why can't my Spinfusor travel at mach 2.
And, since it's mass has been accounted for in its advanced technolocial, futuristic design...
It should beable to transfer, both, kinetic and (exotic) explosive damage more efficiently
in a one shot hit than any of the generous sprinklings of smgs/pistols/knives.

The amount and damage of the Auto catagories can stay the same, just, bring the Spinfusor into a better parity,
instead of b*astardizing the Spinfusor.

Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:40 pm

Saeviomage

Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:59 pm
Posts: 496

Re: Automatic weapons and magazines

Jahnome wrote:

Saeviomage wrote:

ITT, people who are bad with autos who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos.

Implying, etc.

The only possible explanation I can think of for people who think it's really easy to land a whole clip is that the targets they are shooting at are terrible at avoiding fire.

Ok, so perhaps I should rephrase:
ITT, people who've only shot at people who are bad at avoiding autos

Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:29 pm

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