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AnarchyAo Joined: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:10 pm Posts: 319 Location: Harrisonburg, VA Steam Gamer Name: AnarchyAo	100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. hi, Rage: If you are near your flag when an enemy picks it up, you become enraged. Rage grants you an instant +50% heal, and reduces your mass by 20% for 10 seconds. Additionally, your next thrust will have no energy cost and provide maximum throughput. -------------------------------------------------------------------- wording may not be best but basically I think this fixes all the concerns. the next thrust must be used within the 10 sec enrage buff period to provide the maximum throughput, no energy cost thrust. Only thrust packers benefit from rage fully with this proposed revision and it doesn't make the perk desirable by cappers either.
Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:10 am

ACutePuppy Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:26 pm Posts: 307 Location: Refer to collar.	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. That limits the perk to being applicable to only pathfinders. Which is kind of the problem I have with Rage in general. It's a chaser's perk. Perhaps a different armor type for chasers would be a better path than Rage? Currently no classes have alternate armors, though it's totally a menu option. I feel like that'd be a good start. Introduce Pathfinder MK II -- reduces mass (makes the thrust pack more effective), increases regen time. Perhaps even a lower overall health (not as important to chasers), and a slight boost to air control. Lightweight is a great concept, but REALLY messy as a perk. I'd be happy to dump it completely in favor for a new Pathfinder armor class. Look at it that way and heavy armors could be outfitted in the same style. A "massive" heavy could include traits like Super Heavy, and an offensive build could be more nimble. This fits the flow of the game in the F2P model as well. By the time you can really utilize the benefits of the armor type you'll have enough to unlock it. The Mk II armors could be detrimental to a new player very easily, especially in the case of roles like chasing and HoF. That could cut down on the number of perks, leaving things like Quick Draw to be more enticing. _________________
Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:39 am

rounder Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:06 am Posts: 5	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. Sounds like a good way to keep rage from basically ending up as another buff for Snipers, which I think everyone knows we do not need. I support trying this.
Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:42 am

Whitewhale Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:09 pm Posts: 3559	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. love it simple and effective
Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:54 am

SewingPin Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm Posts: 58	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. Yes! Basicaly a mass reduction or knockback force increase (same thing?) as I already suggested in another thread. Not sure about thrust being that needed, I'd much prefer 1 thrust + 1 knockback = 270ish sanics. With egocentric, you can pretty much even scrap lightweight. But hopefuly this suggestion coming from Anarchy might get it done _________________ Only one question remains. Have you been NAUGHTY or NICE? In gaming, your genitalia are of zero importance. Unless you directly attach controls to them. Then yes, men will have an advantage when piloting aircraft.
Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:49 am

SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:22 am

SewingPin Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm Posts: 58	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. SkepticTA wrote: While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk. Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't. _________________ Only one question remains. Have you been NAUGHTY or NICE? In gaming, your genitalia are of zero importance. Unless you directly attach controls to them. Then yes, men will have an advantage when piloting aircraft.
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:30 am

GenjuroUser Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:07 pm Posts: 136	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. SewingPin wrote: SkepticTA wrote: While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk. Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't. SH: inf, soldier, doom, brute, jug Pilot: Any Reach: EVERY class Mechanic: lol. I still think the flag stand option is the best one. Works mapwide for the current bonus, except the energy regeneration is reduced from +150% to +50% and it halves the cost of activating packs for 10 seconds. Also make the HP heal happen over 5 seconds. If the flag is not on the stand, it has the current radius (pre 3x buff) but only gives half the bonuses (+25% hp/5 and +25% regen).
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 am

-AEnubis- Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am Posts: 5042 Location: NA East	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. How about it activate if you witness the grab, regardless or range. This way you could give your self a bit more of a head start. Then it wouldn't be so class specific. _________________ Physics \| CTF Scoring \| Team Selection
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:41 am

SewingPin Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm Posts: 58	Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended. GenjuroUser wrote: SewingPin wrote: SkepticTA wrote: While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk. Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't. SH: inf, soldier, doom, brute, jug Pilot: Any Reach: EVERY class Mechanic: lol. I still think the flag stand option is the best one. Works mapwide for the current bonus, except the energy regeneration is reduced from +150% to +50% and it halves the cost of activating packs for 10 seconds. Also make the HP heal happen over 5 seconds. If the flag is not on the stand, it has the current radius (pre 3x buff) but only gives half the bonuses (+25% hp/5 and +25% regen). Yes, mechanic is lolz but it suited my purpose SH: inf/sld, dmb is way better with quickdraw(assuming you are smart and have the titan). Brute, Jug? LOLNO. Pilot: if you want to be effective and not waste yourself being useful elsewhere, then just SLD/TCN; Reach: maybe if you try inf retrieval, but other than that, pth is the only time it is needed. Now actualy may even be superceeded by safe fall if you work in shrike-infested environments. _________________ Only one question remains. Have you been NAUGHTY or NICE? In gaming, your genitalia are of zero importance. Unless you directly attach controls to them. Then yes, men will have an advantage when piloting aircraft.
Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:04 am

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AnarchyAo

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100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

hi,

Rage: If you are near your flag when an enemy picks it up, you become enraged. Rage grants you an instant +50% heal, and reduces your mass by 20% for 10 seconds. Additionally, your next thrust will have no energy cost and provide maximum throughput.

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wording may not be best but basically I think this fixes all the concerns. the next thrust must be used within the 10 sec enrage buff period to provide the maximum throughput, no energy cost thrust. Only thrust packers benefit from rage fully with this proposed revision and it doesn't make the perk desirable by cappers either.

Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:10 am

ACutePuppy

Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:26 pm
Posts: 307
Location: Refer to collar.

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

That limits the perk to being applicable to only pathfinders. Which is kind of the problem I have with Rage in general. It's a chaser's perk. Perhaps a different armor type for chasers would be a better path than Rage?

Currently no classes have alternate armors, though it's totally a menu option. I feel like that'd be a good start. Introduce Pathfinder MK II -- reduces mass (makes the thrust pack more effective), increases regen time.

Perhaps even a lower overall health (not as important to chasers), and a slight boost to air control.

Lightweight is a great concept, but REALLY messy as a perk. I'd be happy to dump it completely in favor for a new Pathfinder armor class.

Look at it that way and heavy armors could be outfitted in the same style. A "massive" heavy could include traits like Super Heavy, and an offensive build could be more nimble.

This fits the flow of the game in the F2P model as well. By the time you can really utilize the benefits of the armor type you'll have enough to unlock it. The Mk II armors could be detrimental to a new player very easily, especially in the case of roles like chasing and HoF.

That could cut down on the number of perks, leaving things like Quick Draw to be more enticing.

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Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:39 am

rounder

Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:06 am
Posts: 5

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

Sounds like a good way to keep rage from basically ending up as another buff for Snipers, which I think everyone knows we do not need.

I support trying this.

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:42 am

Whitewhale

Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:09 pm
Posts: 3559

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

love it

simple and effective

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:54 am

SewingPin

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm
Posts: 58

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

Yes! Basicaly a mass reduction or knockback force increase (same thing?) as I already suggested in another thread. Not sure about thrust being that needed, I'd much prefer 1 thrust + 1 knockback = 270ish sanics. With egocentric, you can pretty much even scrap lightweight. But hopefuly this suggestion coming from Anarchy might get it done

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Only one question remains. Have you been NAUGHTY or NICE?
In gaming, your genitalia are of zero importance. Unless you directly attach controls to them. Then yes, men will have an advantage when piloting aircraft.

Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:49 am

SkepticTA

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm
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Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk.

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Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:22 am

SewingPin

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm
Posts: 58

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

SkepticTA wrote:

While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk.

Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't.

Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:30 am

GenjuroUser

Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:07 pm
Posts: 136

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

SewingPin wrote:

SkepticTA wrote:

While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk.

Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't.

SH: inf, soldier, doom, brute, jug
Pilot: Any
Reach: EVERY class
Mechanic: lol.

I still think the flag stand option is the best one. Works mapwide for the current bonus, except the energy regeneration is reduced from +150% to +50% and it halves the cost of activating packs for 10 seconds. Also make the HP heal happen over 5 seconds. If the flag is not on the stand, it has the current radius (pre 3x buff) but only gives half the bonuses (+25% hp/5 and +25% regen).

Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 am

-AEnubis-

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:40 am
Posts: 5042
Location: NA East

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

How about it activate if you witness the grab, regardless or range. This way you could give your self a bit more of a head start. Then it wouldn't be so class specific.

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Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:41 am

SewingPin

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:58 pm
Posts: 58

Re: 100% fullproof way of fixing rage to work as intended.

GenjuroUser wrote:

SewingPin wrote:

SkepticTA wrote:

While it would technically work fine, it is too class-specific for a perk.

Uh huh. As if super heavy, pilot, reach and mechanic aren't.

Yes, mechanic is lolz but it suited my purpose

SH: inf/sld, dmb is way better with quickdraw(assuming you are smart and have the titan). Brute, Jug? LOLNO. Pilot: if you want to be effective and not waste yourself being useful elsewhere, then just SLD/TCN; Reach: maybe if you try inf retrieval, but other than that, pth is the only time it is needed. Now actualy may even be superceeded by safe fall if you work in shrike-infested environments.

Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:04 am

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