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Nark51 Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:54 pm Posts: 855 Location: United Kingdom	Re: Fog on that one new map A major problem with fog is that the flag icon IFF still shows up through it for Sentinels. So on a map like Crossfire, Sunstar or even Dangerous Crossing where it is already implemented, Sentinels can still snipe the flag carrier long after he is enveloped in fog. It does help cappers avoid sentinels while they are setting up their routes though, I'll give it that. _________________ Important things: Possible solutions to D-stacking and ways to incentivize O Nark, certified #1 Chaser & #1 Scrambler Capper in Europe. Also #1 in Rabbit.
Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:36 am

Etheralking Joined: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:08 pm Posts: 149	Re: Fog on that one new map Trunks0 wrote: Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) What about disc sniping base turrets is an issue? :p We did the same in previous Tribes games. All that's different is that you had to be two to beat through the shield- but any nab with a keyboard can organize a turretkilling with someone else EZ PZ anyways. I don't get it O_o _________________
Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:54 am

Trunks0 Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm Posts: 85 Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada	Re: Fog on that one new map Etheralking wrote: Trunks0 wrote: Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) What about disc sniping base turrets is an issue? :p We did the same in previous Tribes games. All that's different is that you had to be two to beat through the shield- but any nab with a keyboard can organize a turretkilling with someone else EZ PZ anyways. I don't get it O_o It's to easy in T:A as it doesn't require a concentrated effort or any team work. A path finder can pull it off solo with little effort. _________________
Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:43 am

raptorak Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am Posts: 1271	Re: Fog on that one new map To be fair I think that some maps need fog, and others don't. My main issue was that the fogging looks rubbish on dangerous crossing and it actually looked better in Tribes 2! I would love a bit more fog on raindance (maybe a new variant of the map, with a lightning storm and darkened skies would be cool!) Also we should have a map that takes place in a sandstorm/snowstorm.
Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:39 am

Trunks0 Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm Posts: 85 Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada	Re: Fog on that one new map raptorak wrote: To be fair I think that some maps need fog, and others don't. My main issue was that the fogging looks rubbish on dangerous crossing and it actually looked better in Tribes 2! I would love a bit more fog on raindance (maybe a new variant of the map, with a lightning storm and darkened skies would be cool!) Also we should have a map that takes place in a sandstorm/snowstorm. A Stormy map, or version of a map, would be really cool and could lend its self well to some more interesting fog. _________________
Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:27 pm

pro-logic Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:01 pm Posts: 437	Re: Fog on that one new map Nark51 wrote: A major problem with fog is that the flag icon IFF still shows up through it for Sentinels. So on a map like Crossfire, Sunstar or even Dangerous Crossing where it is already implemented, Sentinels can still snipe the flag carrier long after he is enveloped in fog. It does help cappers avoid sentinels while they are setting up their routes though, I'll give it that. Yeah, I think this is more of a T:A map issue. The maps are generally flat. In previous games, even if you could aim the 4 pixels below the IFF, if you didn't get the shot off in the first few seconds you'd be sniping a mountain. There was just so many mountains.
Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:02 pm

Greth Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:03 pm Posts: 979 Location: Belgium Steam Gamer Name: Greth	Re: Fog on that one new map Trunks0 wrote: Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) Holy s*** ... If you think that's the biggest issue maps have right now ... Woah ... _________________ Wilderzone.org Admin and writer also check out my youtube.com/grethsc channel and youtube.com/leveluptv for vods and highlights
Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:55 pm

Trunks0 Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm Posts: 85 Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada	Re: Fog on that one new map Greth wrote: Trunks0 wrote: Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) Holy s*** ... If you think that's the biggest issue maps have right now ... Woah ... ??? I don't. Just that it would be an issue, if that was their fix for an issue like turret sniping. Also never said its the biggest issue, just one of many if they tried to use fog to solve game-play issues. _________________
Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:28 pm

illerFFN Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm Posts: 1174	Re: Fog on that one new map Comp reality counter-point: Consider the effects that the Spotting nerf had. ...now apply that impact to rubbish Pubs that don't even have mumble communication Whether it's fog, or mountains everywhere, it's still a massive spotting nerf.
Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:40 pm

SandRocker Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:29 pm Posts: 46	Re: Fog on that one new map blackchimes wrote: Why not just add it on ALL maps then(or at least ones where sniping is especially problematic) and drop the 10 second SEN penalty? That would give SEN a limited window during which to kill the capper, nerfing them substantially(since while targets appear smaller at longer ranges, they also move relatively slower, so they don't really become that much harder to hit at long distances compared to short distances). I know that fog in videogames in general is considered bad form(or just a relic of the past) but if you're throwing in the towel on one map might as well do it on everything. +1 _________________ because generator.
Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:46 pm

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Nark51

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:54 pm
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Re: Fog on that one new map

A major problem with fog is that the flag icon IFF still shows up through it for Sentinels. So on a map like Crossfire, Sunstar or even Dangerous Crossing where it is already implemented, Sentinels can still snipe the flag carrier long after he is enveloped in fog.

It does help cappers avoid sentinels while they are setting up their routes though, I'll give it that.

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:36 am

Etheralking

Joined: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:08 pm
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Re: Fog on that one new map

Trunks0 wrote:

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

What about disc sniping base turrets is an issue? :p

We did the same in previous Tribes games. All that's different is that you had to be two to beat through the shield- but any nab with a keyboard can organize a turretkilling with someone else EZ PZ anyways. I don't get it O_o

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:54 am

Trunks0

Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm
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Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada

Re: Fog on that one new map

Etheralking wrote:

Trunks0 wrote:

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

It's to easy in T:A as it doesn't require a concentrated effort or any team work. A path finder can pull it off solo with little effort.

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:43 am

raptorak

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am
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Re: Fog on that one new map

To be fair I think that some maps need fog, and others don't. My main issue was that the fogging looks rubbish on dangerous crossing and it actually looked better in Tribes 2!

I would love a bit more fog on raindance (maybe a new variant of the map, with a lightning storm and darkened skies would be cool!)

Also we should have a map that takes place in a sandstorm/snowstorm.

Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:39 am

Trunks0

Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm
Posts: 85
Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada

Re: Fog on that one new map

raptorak wrote:

A Stormy map, or version of a map, would be really cool and could lend its self well to some more interesting fog.

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:27 pm

pro-logic

Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:01 pm
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Re: Fog on that one new map

Nark51 wrote:

Yeah, I think this is more of a T:A map issue. The maps are generally flat. In previous games, even if you could aim the 4 pixels below the IFF, if you didn't get the shot off in the first few seconds you'd be sniping a mountain.

There was just so many mountains.

Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:02 pm

Greth

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:03 pm
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Re: Fog on that one new map

Trunks0 wrote:

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

Holy s*** ... If you think that's the biggest issue maps have right now ... Woah ...

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:55 pm

Trunks0

Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm
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Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada

Re: Fog on that one new map

Greth wrote:

Trunks0 wrote:

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

Holy s*** ... If you think that's the biggest issue maps have right now ... Woah ...

??? I don't. Just that it would be an issue, if that was their fix for an issue like turret sniping. Also never said its the biggest issue, just one of many if they tried to use fog to solve game-play issues.

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:28 pm

illerFFN

Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:52 pm
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Re: Fog on that one new map

Comp reality counter-point: Consider the effects that the Spotting nerf had.

...now apply that impact to rubbish Pubs that don't even have mumble communication
Whether it's fog, or mountains everywhere, it's still a massive spotting nerf.

Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:40 pm

SandRocker

Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:29 pm
Posts: 46

Re: Fog on that one new map

blackchimes wrote:

Why not just add it on ALL maps then(or at least ones where sniping is especially problematic) and drop the 10 second SEN penalty?

That would give SEN a limited window during which to kill the capper, nerfing them substantially(since while targets appear smaller at longer ranges, they also move relatively slower, so they don't really become that much harder to hit at long distances compared to short distances).

I know that fog in videogames in general is considered bad form(or just a relic of the past) but if you're throwing in the towel on one map might as well do it on everything.

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Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:46 pm

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