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blackchimes Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:07 am Posts: 1109	Fog on that one new map (adding fog everywhere) Why not just add it on ALL maps then(or at least ones where sniping is especially problematic) and drop the 10 second SEN penalty? That would give SEN a limited window during which to kill the capper, nerfing them substantially(since while targets appear smaller at longer ranges, they also move relatively slower, so they don't really become that much harder to hit at long distances compared to short distances). I know that fog in videogames in general is considered bad form(or just a relic of the past) but if you're throwing in the towel on one map might as well do it on everything. Last edited by blackchimes on Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:20 am

raptorak Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am Posts: 1271	Re: Fog on that one new map I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it).
Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:56 am

Rangelus Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am Posts: 240	Re: Fog on that one new map raptorak wrote: I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it). If you mean the T2 fog, I agree 100%. Bring back fog. I honestly think it makes the game more dramatic. Back in the day, there was fog because of hardware limitations on such massive maps. Now, it should be added for tactical and graphical reasons. I personally cannot think of any reason why fog shouldn't be added to the maps. Maybe the smallest maps (i.e. Sunstar) are too small to have fog, but you could work in some similar but slightly different effect (like wind-blown sand?)
Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:02 am

Trunks0 Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm Posts: 85 Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada	Re: Fog on that one new map Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) _________________
Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:22 am

fac3nade Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:15 am Posts: 1145	Re: Fog on that one new map Rangelus wrote: raptorak wrote: I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it). If you mean the T2 fog, I agree 100%. Bring back fog. I honestly think it makes the game more dramatic. Back in the day, there was fog because of hardware limitations on such massive maps. Now, it should be added for tactical and graphical reasons. I personally cannot think of any reason why fog shouldn't be added to the maps. Maybe the smallest maps (i.e. Sunstar) are too small to have fog, but you could work in some similar but slightly different effect (like wind-blown sand?) in that way it might help with the whole texture popping thing too. it's not really bad in tribes, but a nice fog would mask it when you're coming down on a hill. it won't help vs the sniper elite tho. they'll just learn to shoot just below the triangle. some kid got me a while back in raindance from flag stand to flag stand. [vgcs] "i just shot the triangle" _________________
Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:31 am

Rangelus Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am Posts: 240	Re: Fog on that one new map Trunks0 wrote: Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets) Granted. Adding shields to base assets would help solve this, but fog certainly wouldn't fix this issue. fac3nade wrote: in that way it might help with the whole texture popping thing too. it's not really bad in tribes, but a nice fog would mask it when you're coming down on a hill. it won't help vs the sniper elite tho. they'll just learn to shoot just below the triangle. some kid got me a while back in raindance from flag stand to flag stand. [vgcs] "i just shot the triangle" True. Not sure what to do about this, except reducing hitboxes (actually, all automatics need this anyway).
Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:35 am

meimei Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:29 am Posts: 946	Re: Fog on that one new map you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right? its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea i like night maps tho
Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:03 am

Rangelus Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am Posts: 240	Re: Fog on that one new map meimei wrote: you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right? its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea i like night maps tho No more than anything else, and only if it's coded by monkeys.
Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:33 am

meimei Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:29 am Posts: 946	Re: Fog on that one new map Rangelus wrote: meimei wrote: you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right? its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea i like night maps tho No more than anything else, and only if it's coded by monkeys. it can be done at a driver level, thats hard to beat, balancing a online game with anything visual is usually an open invitation for someone to hack and gain an advantage you want to limit how far someone see's? then do that! dont cover it up with fog
Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:01 am

CreativeConstraints Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:17 am Posts: 1198	Re: Fog on that one new map meimei wrote: you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right? its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea i like night maps tho This could easily be fixed with a culling distance on player information set roughly where the fog starts - you might be able to hack away the fog, but that does you little good if the game server sends you no location information on players that are beyond the fog distance.
Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:03 am

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blackchimes

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:07 am
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Fog on that one new map (adding fog everywhere)

Why not just add it on ALL maps then(or at least ones where sniping is especially problematic) and drop the 10 second SEN penalty?

That would give SEN a limited window during which to kill the capper, nerfing them substantially(since while targets appear smaller at longer ranges, they also move relatively slower, so they don't really become that much harder to hit at long distances compared to short distances).

I know that fog in videogames in general is considered bad form(or just a relic of the past) but if you're throwing in the towel on one map might as well do it on everything.

Last edited by blackchimes on Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:20 am

raptorak

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am
Posts: 1271

Re: Fog on that one new map

I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it).

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:56 am

Rangelus

Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am
Posts: 240

Re: Fog on that one new map

raptorak wrote:

I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it).

If you mean the T2 fog, I agree 100%.

Bring back fog. I honestly think it makes the game more dramatic. Back in the day, there was fog because of hardware limitations on such massive maps. Now, it should be added for tactical and graphical reasons. I personally cannot think of any reason why fog shouldn't be added to the maps. Maybe the smallest maps (i.e. Sunstar) are too small to have fog, but you could work in some similar but slightly different effect (like wind-blown sand?)

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:02 am

Trunks0

Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:57 pm
Posts: 85
Location: Vancouver,B.C., Canada

Re: Fog on that one new map

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:22 am

fac3nade

Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:15 am
Posts: 1145

Re: Fog on that one new map

Rangelus wrote:

raptorak wrote:

I wouldn't mind fogging in the maps, it's just that the fog is implemented so poorly - it used to look so much more dramatic with layered fog (sorry I don't know how to describe it).

in that way it might help with the whole texture popping thing too. it's not really bad in tribes, but a nice fog would mask it when you're coming down on a hill. it won't help vs the sniper elite tho. they'll just learn to shoot just below the triangle. some kid got me a while back in raindance from flag stand to flag stand. [vgcs] "i just shot the triangle"

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:31 am

Rangelus

Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am
Posts: 240

Re: Fog on that one new map

Trunks0 wrote:

Adding fog for "tactical reasons", would seem like a band-aid fix to larger game-play problems they haven't properly addressed(Yes, I'm looking squarely at issues like disc sniping base turrets)

Granted. Adding shields to base assets would help solve this, but fog certainly wouldn't fix this issue.

fac3nade wrote:

True. Not sure what to do about this, except reducing hitboxes (actually, all automatics need this anyway).

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:35 am

meimei

Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:29 am
Posts: 946

Re: Fog on that one new map

you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right?
its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea

i like night maps tho

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:03 am

Rangelus

Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:19 am
Posts: 240

Re: Fog on that one new map

meimei wrote:

you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right?
its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea

i like night maps tho

No more than anything else, and only if it's coded by monkeys.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:33 am

meimei

Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:29 am
Posts: 946

Re: Fog on that one new map

Rangelus wrote:

meimei wrote:

you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right?
its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea

i like night maps tho

No more than anything else, and only if it's coded by monkeys.

it can be done at a driver level, thats hard to beat, balancing a online game with anything visual is usually an open invitation for someone to hack and gain an advantage

you want to limit how far someone see's? then do that! dont cover it up with fog

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:01 am

CreativeConstraints

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:17 am
Posts: 1198

Re: Fog on that one new map

meimei wrote:

you know anything visual like that others can hack to gain an advantage right?
its why to me the argument of adding fog to limit snipers or spotting was such a poor idea

i like night maps tho

This could easily be fixed with a culling distance on player information set roughly where the fog starts - you might be able to hack away the fog, but that does you little good if the game server sends you no location information on players that are beyond the fog distance.

Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:03 am

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