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Serosen Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:35 pm Posts: 393	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand Myrdraal wrote: texmaster wrote: Myrdraal wrote: While I've experienced this frustration, it's not like capper isn't already the most accessible role in the game. I'm not saying eliminate it just make it a little more challenging than simply lobbing a single charge to end a flag chase. There is also a perk to prevent it, if it is that much of a problem to you. Iron Grip is still a perk? Or whatever it was called.
Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:46 pm

Skoffin Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:54 pm Posts: 445	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand ^No _________________ "Juggernauts excel at long range bombardment...and devastate with their mortars"? Funny, last I checked nearly every weapon in the game out ranges the mortar. Increase the muzzle velocity on mortars already. Pretty please?
Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:49 pm

IronKane Beta Tester Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 497	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand texmaster wrote: There really needs to be some improvement on this. Someone with full health and the flag should not be stopped cold by one person with this belt item. At the very least there should be a counter pack or a health requirement, ie less than 50% health you are vulnerable. Because right now people have figured out you only need one of these guys around the flag to stop flag grabbers. One hit and the flag is dropped. It is by far the least skilled function in the game and one of the most impactful. I'm assuming that you mean the pathfinders impact nitron? General consensus is that chasing is broken, so removing the nitron would result in an almost guaranteed cap. Reach negates the Super Heavy perk for the most part. So what is your suggestion to fix things? Or are you only biotching about your inability to cap?
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:07 pm

PROJIE Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:16 am Posts: 294	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now. _________________ Stack 'n' Hack - #1 t2 7 man team 311 - #2 base++, #2 classic team icon - #1 classic team exiled arena - #1 arena voted best player all time - t2 competitive community current best t:a player watch me annihilate newbs - www.twitch.tv/projectileomg
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:09 pm

Nanu Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 763 Location: Germany Steam Gamer Name: NANU [GER]	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand the game has to be fast, escorting a heavycarrier (without nitro for chasing) woud be slow. hirez show zero interest in slowed movement(nitro/openstand/gravity at high speed). your desired gameplay of competiv gameplay and interesting fighting stand in a completly different gamedesign decission then T:Ascend. asking for remove of knockout in the current gamedesign, is kinda pointless. you might instead ask for a different game/mode/design or shoud move toward another game. _________________ teamdefender / interupt / debuffs-lover for life rpgs?: debuff, support, healer, crowdkitter watching a video of compplayers teaches nothing, watching it 5 times will enlight, you that dodge is OP or pizza is tasting nice.
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:26 pm

SkepticTA Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm Posts: 3062	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand PROJIE wrote: nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now. Something I actually agree with comp people about, nitrons are stupid and unnecessary in a game where chasing actually works. _________________ (AHK) T:A Physics Profiler
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:34 pm

Gierling Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:56 am Posts: 1382	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand IMHO the 100% effectiveness within it's radius EVERY TIME is a problem. IMHO the Nitron should not do any damage at all, but have a higher chance of succeeding the lower the targets health and the closer the hit. So a fringe hit on a full health capper should have a low chance of causing the fumble, while a direct hit on a capper with 300 health or less should gauruntee a fumble.
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:39 pm

Ananasi Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:49 pm Posts: 1001	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand Gierling wrote: So a fringe hit on a full health capper should have a low chance of causing the fumble, while a direct hit on a capper with 300 health or less should gauruntee a fumble. I'll assume you are joking since the impact nitrons do 300 damage on direct hit.
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Skoffin Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:54 pm Posts: 445	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand Jesus f***ing tap dancing christ. Nitrons absolutely should not be nerfed. I remember when they not only forced a flag drop but caused you to lose your pack AND weapon as well. Except they were called concussion grenades then, you got 5 as a light and any armor could carry them. Kids these days really don't want a challenge when they play a game. _________________ "Juggernauts excel at long range bombardment...and devastate with their mortars"? Funny, last I checked nearly every weapon in the game out ranges the mortar. Increase the muzzle velocity on mortars already. Pretty please?
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:49 pm

IronKane Beta Tester Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 497	Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand PROJIE wrote: nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now. Interesting to hear this from the comp players. My success rate as a Soldier Capper would at least double if the nitron was removed or nerfed significantly. I can only imagine what it would do for the pathfinder if the only thing he needs to worry about was autos or a welcoming committee at his flag stand. I love escorted flag runs. They're extremely fun and exciting, both as a participant and as a spectator. So how would you fix chasing if the nitron was nerfed?
Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:56 pm

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Serosen

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:35 pm
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Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

Myrdraal wrote:

texmaster wrote:

Myrdraal wrote:

While I've experienced this frustration, it's not like capper isn't already the most accessible role in the game.

I'm not saying eliminate it just make it a little more challenging than simply lobbing a single charge to end a flag chase.

There is also a perk to prevent it, if it is that much of a problem to you.

Iron Grip is still a perk? Or whatever it was called.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:46 pm

Skoffin

Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:54 pm
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Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

^No

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"Juggernauts excel at long range bombardment...and devastate with their mortars"? Funny, last I checked nearly every weapon in the game out ranges the mortar. Increase the muzzle velocity on mortars already. Pretty please?

Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:49 pm

IronKane

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Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm
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Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

texmaster wrote:

There really needs to be some improvement on this. Someone with full health and the flag should not be stopped cold by one person with this belt item. At the very least there should be a counter pack or a health requirement, ie less than 50% health you are vulnerable.

Because right now people have figured out you only need one of these guys around the flag to stop flag grabbers. One hit and the flag is dropped.

It is by far the least skilled function in the game and one of the most impactful.

I'm assuming that you mean the pathfinders impact nitron? General consensus is that chasing is broken, so removing the nitron would result in an almost guaranteed cap. Reach negates the Super Heavy perk for the most part. So what is your suggestion to fix things? Or are you only biotching about your inability to cap?

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:07 pm

PROJIE

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:16 am
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Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now.

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Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:09 pm

Nanu

Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 6:49 pm
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Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

the game has to be fast,
escorting a heavycarrier (without nitro for chasing) woud be slow.
hirez show zero interest in slowed movement(nitro/openstand/gravity at high speed).
your desired gameplay of competiv gameplay and interesting fighting stand in a completly different gamedesign decission then T:Ascend.
asking for remove of knockout in the current gamedesign, is kinda pointless.
you might instead ask for a different game/mode/design or shoud move toward another game.

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teamdefender / interupt / debuffs-lover for life
rpgs?: debuff, support, healer, crowdkitter
watching a video of compplayers teaches nothing, watching it 5 times will enlight, you that dodge is OP or pizza is tasting nice.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:26 pm

SkepticTA

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:41 pm
Posts: 3062

Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

PROJIE wrote:

nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now.

Something I actually agree with comp people about, nitrons are stupid and unnecessary in a game where chasing actually works.

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Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:34 pm

Gierling

Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:56 am
Posts: 1382

Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

IMHO the 100% effectiveness within it's radius EVERY TIME is a problem.

IMHO the Nitron should not do any damage at all, but have a higher chance of succeeding the lower the targets health and the closer the hit.

So a fringe hit on a full health capper should have a low chance of causing the fumble, while a direct hit on a capper with 300 health or less should gauruntee a fumble.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:39 pm

Ananasi

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:49 pm
Posts: 1001

Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

Gierling wrote:

So a fringe hit on a full health capper should have a low chance of causing the fumble, while a direct hit on a capper with 300 health or less should gauruntee a fumble.

I'll assume you are joking since the impact nitrons do 300 damage on direct hit.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Skoffin

Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:54 pm
Posts: 445

Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

Jesus f***ing tap dancing christ.

Nitrons absolutely should not be nerfed. I remember when they not only forced a flag drop but caused you to lose your pack AND weapon as well. Except they were called concussion grenades then, you got 5 as a light and any armor could carry them. Kids these days really don't want a challenge when they play a game.

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:49 pm

IronKane

Beta Tester

Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm
Posts: 497

Re: The ability to knock the flag out of someone's hand

PROJIE wrote:

nitrons are a stupid mechanic that make stalemates and escorted slower grabs home extremely difficult to achieve. A lot of comp players have been asking for nitron nerfs for a long time now.

Interesting to hear this from the comp players. My success rate as a Soldier Capper would at least double if the nitron was removed or nerfed significantly. I can only imagine what it would do for the pathfinder if the only thing he needs to worry about was autos or a welcoming committee at his flag stand.

I love escorted flag runs. They're extremely fun and exciting, both as a participant and as a spectator.

So how would you fix chasing if the nitron was nerfed?

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:56 pm

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