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Pharlan Joined: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:28 am Posts: 66	Re: Bringing back bounce physics eureus wrote: mrboneguy wrote: The changes seem good to me. Ever used a route that required bouncing? If you run into a rock at high speeds, you don't bounce. Bounce routes were an exploit, not a feature. Glad their gone.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:54 pm

FleurDeLis Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:01 pm Posts: 659	Re: Bringing back bounce physics >Rock bouncing creates powerful back to fronts on maps where they don't exist in a usable fashion (xfire back to front is perhaps the greatest example as it's not possible without bouncing, nigh impossible to see coming and has a nearly 5 second stand-to-stand return) and creates other quick return routes >Said routes make SEN more required and chasing more of a bust >a segment of the playerbase thinks they're "fair and balanced" Maybe about as fair and balanced as Fox News.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:18 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics In clearly broken scenarios the map should be tweaked then. You could remove the rock that enables the powerful back-front on Crossfire. Simple as that. Instead of entirely removing the possibility of bouncing off objects which is applicable in so many other scenarios. It was fun to throw off chasers and snipers using tricky bounces as well, which required some skill.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:14 pm

Durzaka Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm Posts: 1276	Re: Bringing back bounce physics eureus wrote: In clearly broken scenarios the map should be tweaked then. You could remove the rock that enables the powerful back-front on Crossfire. Simple as that. Instead of entirely removing the possibility of bouncing off objects which is applicable in so many other scenarios. It was fun to throw off chasers and snipers using tricky bounces as well, which required some skill. fix the problem on one map, or remove rock bouncing everywhere and focus more on balance? Seems like a no brainer. ALL rock bounce routes just wouldnt be possible without the rock bounce (obviously) and considering rocks aren't made of rubber, anything but hitting a rock, losing momentum and taking damage just shouldnt happen. EDIT: also, considering how hard chasing and sniping is, and how easy capping can be, cappers don't need more advantages. They already can be almost unchaseable and require snipers to get the capper. And that is already too much.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:41 pm

Nanu Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 6:49 pm Posts: 763 Location: Germany Steam Gamer Name: NANU [GER]	Re: Bringing back bounce physics hirez liked the idee that rockroutes brought into the game. but i cant see how they woud agree on keeping them ingame. we might see some intended reflexionwalls back in the further for new map to bounce of, shiny yellow reflexionpad with a reflectoricon on it, or somekind of less astetic broken information of the casual player "here use this wall/rock" rockbounces trow the gameplay/asthetics of movement out of the window, like the bunnyhopping for increased speed of 350+ was till it got outpatched. _________________ teamdefender / interupt / debuffs-lover for life rpgs?: debuff, support, healer, crowdkitter watching a video of compplayers teaches nothing, watching it 5 times will enlight, you that dodge is OP or pizza is tasting nice.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:16 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Wait, this game had bunny-hopping at some point? That's awesome. Bring it back too! Make it Quake style, balanced, yet powerful!
Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:10 pm

noudesu Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:12 pm Posts: 22	Re: Bringing back bounce physics eureus wrote: Wait, this game had bunny-hopping at some point? That's awesome. Bring it back too! Make it Quake style, balanced, yet powerful! Nah, it was dumb. All it did was make those who did it untouchable and those who didn't useless. Once everyone figures it out it would just be needless extra inputs to go faster, which is pointless because everyone else would be faster too.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:31 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Well, if "bunny hopping" was implemented like it is in, say Quake 3 Arena, then it would be awesome. Especially indoors. Even more fast-paced gameplay. Right now the jumping doesn't even feel like jumping.
Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:40 pm

eureus Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm Posts: 599	Re: Bringing back bounce physics Nanu wrote: hirez liked the idee that rockroutes brought into the game. but i cant see how they woud agree on keeping them ingame. we might see some intended reflexionwalls back in the further for new map to bounce of, shiny yellow reflexionpad with a reflectoricon on it, or somekind of less astetic broken information of the casual player "here use this wall/rock" rockbounces trow the gameplay/asthetics of movement out of the window, like the bunnyhopping for increased speed of 350+ was till it got outpatched. Or maybe a "Bouncer" perk which would allow all kinds of bouncing. Although that might end up being broken
Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:38 pm

gloowa Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:58 pm Posts: 471	Re: Bringing back bounce physics eureus wrote: I do think that bounces <90 degrees shouldn't be as penalized as they are now and be reverted back to their old state. Only if i can come crashing down from the sky at the ground, hit it with 89 deg. of attack angle and have my entire vertical speed converted into tangential to ground speed. Because both suggestions make about as much sense. _________________
Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:26 pm

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Pharlan

Joined: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:28 am
Posts: 66

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

eureus wrote:

mrboneguy wrote:

The changes seem good to me.

Ever used a route that required bouncing?

If you run into a rock at high speeds, you don't bounce. Bounce routes were an exploit, not a feature. Glad their gone.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:54 pm

FleurDeLis

Joined: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:01 pm
Posts: 659

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

>Rock bouncing creates powerful back to fronts on maps where they don't exist in a usable fashion (xfire back to front is perhaps the greatest example as it's not possible without bouncing, nigh impossible to see coming and has a nearly 5 second stand-to-stand return) and creates other quick return routes
>Said routes make SEN more required and chasing more of a bust
>a segment of the playerbase thinks they're "fair and balanced"

Maybe about as fair and balanced as Fox News.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:18 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

In clearly broken scenarios the map should be tweaked then. You could remove the rock that enables the powerful back-front on Crossfire. Simple as that. Instead of entirely removing the possibility of bouncing off objects which is applicable in so many other scenarios.

It was fun to throw off chasers and snipers using tricky bounces as well, which required some skill.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:14 pm

Durzaka

Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:42 pm
Posts: 1276

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

eureus wrote:

fix the problem on one map, or remove rock bouncing everywhere and focus more on balance?

Seems like a no brainer.

ALL rock bounce routes just wouldnt be possible without the rock bounce (obviously) and considering rocks aren't made of rubber, anything but hitting a rock, losing momentum and taking damage just shouldnt happen.

EDIT: also, considering how hard chasing and sniping is, and how easy capping can be, cappers don't need more advantages.

They already can be almost unchaseable and require snipers to get the capper. And that is already too much.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:41 pm

Nanu

Joined: Mon May 03, 2010 6:49 pm
Posts: 763
Location: Germany
Steam Gamer Name: NANU [GER]

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

hirez liked the idee that rockroutes brought into the game.
but i cant see how they woud agree on keeping them ingame.
we might see some intended reflexionwalls back in the further for new map to bounce of, shiny yellow reflexionpad with a reflectoricon on it, or somekind of less astetic broken information of the casual player "here use this wall/rock"

rockbounces trow the gameplay/asthetics of movement out of the window, like the bunnyhopping for increased speed of 350+ was till it got outpatched.

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rpgs?: debuff, support, healer, crowdkitter
watching a video of compplayers teaches nothing, watching it 5 times will enlight, you that dodge is OP or pizza is tasting nice.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:16 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Wait, this game had bunny-hopping at some point? That's awesome. Bring it back too! Make it Quake style, balanced, yet powerful!

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:10 pm

noudesu

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:12 pm
Posts: 22

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

eureus wrote:

Wait, this game had bunny-hopping at some point? That's awesome. Bring it back too! Make it Quake style, balanced, yet powerful!

Nah, it was dumb. All it did was make those who did it untouchable and those who didn't useless. Once everyone figures it out it would just be needless extra inputs to go faster, which is pointless because everyone else would be faster too.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:31 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Well, if "bunny hopping" was implemented like it is in, say Quake 3 Arena, then it would be awesome. Especially indoors. Even more fast-paced gameplay. Right now the jumping doesn't even feel like jumping.

Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:40 pm

eureus

Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 599

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

Nanu wrote:

Or maybe a "Bouncer" perk which would allow all kinds of bouncing. Although that might end up being broken

Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:38 pm

gloowa

Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:58 pm
Posts: 471

Re: Bringing back bounce physics

eureus wrote:

I do think that bounces <90 degrees shouldn't be as penalized as they are now and be reverted back to their old state.

Only if i can come crashing down from the sky at the ground, hit it with 89 deg. of attack angle and have my entire vertical speed converted into tangential to ground speed. Because both suggestions make about as much sense.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:26 pm

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