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Melchi32 Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm Posts: 133	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_- _________________ Base XP = time played BonusXP = [25%Base XP/rank] + [badges] + [25%Base XP if win] Thus XP is only based on : 1.time played in the match 2.team choosed 3.position achieved in the team Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing. Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens.
Sun May 13, 2012 8:44 pm

Frostiken Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am Posts: 1045	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Melchi32 wrote: Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_- Like it or not, that's how it's going to be from here on out. Besides, it's not like scripting to automate stupid actions wasn't prevalant in other Tribes. My scripts directory for T2 was practically larger than my game install. I had scripts that would automatically buy vehicles for me by picking it before I stepped on the VPad, I had scripts that would automatically plop beacons down when I spit out a deployable inventory station... even jump / jet was a script, and wasn't default game behavior. One of the most common scripts was the one that would let the pilot see the bombardier's bomb reticule.
Sun May 13, 2012 8:51 pm

supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Frostiken wrote: Melchi32 wrote: Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_- Like it or not, that's how it's going to be from here on out. Besides, it's not like scripting to automate stupid actions wasn't prevalant in other Tribes. My scripts directory for T2 was practically larger than my game install. I had scripts that would automatically buy vehicles for me by picking it before I stepped on the VPad, I had scripts that would automatically plop beacons down when I spit out a deployable inventory station... even jump / jet was a script, and wasn't default game behavior. One of the most common scripts was the one that would let the pilot see the bombardier's bomb reticule. Oh sweet jesus, please link me your scrips. Or tell me where you got hem. Pretty please with sugar and a cheery ontop :3 I suck at programming, I have auto hotkey and have a crosshair one but i need a auto fire. Can i has linkey? Please? _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
Sun May 13, 2012 8:54 pm

Vinson Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm Posts: 231	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Soldiers AR should do 85 damage a shot and taper to 65 damage at long range. its a joke that the AR is outdone by both the LAR and the raiders SMG. The Thumper DX should have slightly more range and stopping power, a la the techs thumper. as of right now the soldier remains my favourite class and should be the best midfield defender and a serious choice for flag defence and chasing, and while he does fill the roles well he is seriously gimped vs the raiders plasma gun, shield/jammer pack and nj4/5. even pathfinders have better weapons for chasing, and never mind their speed and nitrons. upping the soldiers firepower is a must, he should be scaring raiders in midfield, not becoming their playthings. the spinfusor eagle soldier probably just needs the eagle to hit harder (125) and not taper off beyond 55, with a much longer falloff then right now with its limited range. soldier needs some love
Sun May 13, 2012 10:51 pm

ctrl-k Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:48 am Posts: 89	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Raider gets a pretty powerful grenade launcher (although I still hate the thing because it lacks inheritance) and a powerful smg. Soldier gets a pitiful grenade launcher and one of the worst automatics. Or the redundant combo of DL + Thumper or crappy pistol. So basically Raider doesn't have to comply to the initial Hi-Rez design element of letting the players only have one and a half weapons, and at this point most classes don't. Even PTH now has two useful weapons. But the Soldier hasn't really been updated. It still strongly reflects the 1.5 weapon design. E: There's no way you can use Soldier for chasing. Breaking stand offs maybe, but he's far too slow to be considered a chaser.
Mon May 14, 2012 2:09 am

supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. ctrl-k wrote: Raider gets a pretty powerful grenade launcher (although I still hate the thing because it lacks inheritance) and a powerful smg. Soldier gets a pitiful grenade launcher and one of the worst automatics. Or the redundant combo of DL + Thumper or crappy pistol. So basically Raider doesn't have to comply to the initial Hi-Rez design element of letting the players only have one and a half weapons, and at this point most classes don't. Even PTH now has two useful weapons. But the Soldier hasn't really been updated. It still strongly reflects the 1.5 weapon design. E: There's no way you can use Soldier for chasing. Breaking stand offs maybe, but he's far too slow to be considered a chaser. That is why so many weapons need to be tweaked, posted in topics that i thought needed changes such as ALL the shotguns for example, also the sparrow and nova colt and eagle could see to some buffs. Dont get me started on sabre and thumperDX. the novablaster and mkd are one of the few 1.5 weapons that are usable, repair tool is fine. Although it needs to fix deployables 10X faster. Also X1 outclasses the MKD, same with falcon and blaster. However these weapons are actually usable and in some situations, actually better. (both better indoors, but dont know why the hell sent would be indoors to begin with.) Soldiers can chase, You just need ego, spinfusor and to expend most of your health discjumping two or three times. Hes not a good chaser mind you, never said that, but its possible to chase if you a really bored and its 4:0 or 4:1 _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
Mon May 14, 2012 2:30 am

Melchi32 Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm Posts: 133	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. ctrl-k wrote: There's no way you can use Soldier for chasing. I'm assuming one could use the Thumper DX as a propellant since it is one of the worst explosive weapons _________________ Base XP = time played BonusXP = [25%Base XP/rank] + [badges] + [25%Base XP if win] Thus XP is only based on : 1.time played in the match 2.team choosed 3.position achieved in the team Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing. Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens.
Mon May 14, 2012 2:36 am

Vinson Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm Posts: 231	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Ive been using soldier for chasing for about a week now. Its brutally hard. I switched to my Jammer/ARX raider for one match, and it was like super easy mode - nevermind using plasma gun instead, 1 of the 3 arx shots usually does as well as the thumper dx in midfield. the thumper has a role, but its just too weak combined with the horrible AR, the NJ4 is so much easier and hits harder...why oh why? if i get my tech the sparrow, I think his thumper/sparrow combo plus deployable turrets is better for chasing and midfield fighting than the soldier. before jackal, plasma the game was in good shape. hirez made a mistake with these weapons, and the raiders roles are much to multifaceted and his weapons are far superior. The inf in open beta was good - sneaky, smart, annoying. Now, everyone runs around stealthing and lobbing jackal rounds like they are a soldier. I can only assume its hirez forcing purchases and that the soldier will get new and bad upgrades like jackal and plasma, and this makes me worry because balance is swinging the wrong way to even more dps and damage with less aiming skill needed ala plasma gun or jackal. the game is good, but Hirez needs to think very hard how to fix this bad precedent they set with these new weapons and make some minor tweaks to balance weapons the right way or it might get ugly very fast.
Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 am

Ashesx Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:15 am Posts: 469 Location: Twelve days north of hopeless and a few degrees south of freezing to death.	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. I don't know where this impression that the Pathfinder shouldn't be able to hold its own in a duel against other classes. Sure, it's a capping and chasing class, but every class has the potential to beat every other class. Soldier needs a little help, I think. He mostly needs a better secondary weapon. But I think he'll always suffer from "Jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. Versatility is his asset, but he's kind of stuck in that place where his versatility is out-classed by the specialties of other classes. I still love the class, and I love people who underestimate the Soldier. Although SF + Auto is probably a combination that shouldn't be available for any class to have. LAR should really be a primary weapon... _________________ Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
Mon May 14, 2012 5:37 am

supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier. Ashesx wrote: I don't know where this impression that the Pathfinder shouldn't be able to hold its own in a duel against other classes. Sure, it's a capping and chasing class, but every class has the potential to beat every other class. Soldier needs a little help, I think. He mostly needs a better secondary weapon. But I think he'll always suffer from "Jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. Versatility is his asset, but he's kind of stuck in that place where his versatility is out-classed by the specialties of other classes. I still love the class, and I love people who underestimate the Soldier. Although SF + Auto is probably a combination that shouldn't be available for any class to have. LAR should really be a primary weapon... "Although SF+auto shouldnt be a combo." Why not? Many other classes have something similar. Infiltrator has stealth spinfusor or jackal + SN7 (16 shot, decent rof) Raider has plasmagun or grenade launcher or arx and a NJ4 (the most bitched about auto in the game) Jugg has spinfusor discs, mortar and X1 (2nd most powerful auto, most powerful secondary) Just switch the falcon and the eagle pistol. Give eagle to sentinels and falcon to soldiers. Increase eagle RoF slightly so sents will still be able to duel semi competently (20 shot semi auto instead of 26shot full auto, also change damage and make it projectile instead of hitscan) That will make Spinfusor actually viable, let him have versitility and people will stop bitching about falcon being OP. That and actually make the thumper DX useful too. _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
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Melchi32

Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm
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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_-

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1.time played in the match
2.team choosed
3.position achieved in the team
Kills/accolades/credits/score mean nothing.
Found on the wikia and checked on many scorescreens.

Sun May 13, 2012 8:44 pm

Frostiken

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:42 am
Posts: 1045

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Melchi32 wrote:

Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_-

Like it or not, that's how it's going to be from here on out.

Besides, it's not like scripting to automate stupid actions wasn't prevalant in other Tribes. My scripts directory for T2 was practically larger than my game install. I had scripts that would automatically buy vehicles for me by picking it before I stepped on the VPad, I had scripts that would automatically plop beacons down when I spit out a deployable inventory station... even jump / jet was a script, and wasn't default game behavior. One of the most common scripts was the one that would let the pilot see the bombardier's bomb reticule.

Sun May 13, 2012 8:51 pm

supern00b

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am
Posts: 551
Location: New Zealand

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Frostiken wrote:

Melchi32 wrote:

Scripting to outpass click to fire is OP -_-

Oh sweet jesus, please link me your scrips. Or tell me where you got hem.
Pretty please with sugar and a cheery ontop :3
I suck at programming, I have auto hotkey and have a crosshair one but i need a auto fire.
Can i has linkey? Please?

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Sun May 13, 2012 8:54 pm

Vinson

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm
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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Soldiers AR should do 85 damage a shot and taper to 65 damage at long range. its a joke that the AR is outdone by both the LAR and the raiders SMG. The Thumper DX should have slightly more range and stopping power, a la the techs thumper.

as of right now the soldier remains my favourite class and should be the best midfield defender and a serious choice for flag defence and chasing, and while he does fill the roles well he is seriously gimped vs the raiders plasma gun, shield/jammer pack and nj4/5.

even pathfinders have better weapons for chasing, and never mind their speed and nitrons.

upping the soldiers firepower is a must, he should be scaring raiders in midfield, not becoming their playthings.

the spinfusor eagle soldier probably just needs the eagle to hit harder (125) and not taper off beyond 55, with a much longer falloff then right now with its limited range.

soldier needs some love

Sun May 13, 2012 10:51 pm

ctrl-k

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:48 am
Posts: 89

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Raider gets a pretty powerful grenade launcher (although I still hate the thing because it lacks inheritance) and a powerful smg.

Soldier gets a pitiful grenade launcher and one of the worst automatics. Or the redundant combo of DL + Thumper or crappy pistol.

So basically Raider doesn't have to comply to the initial Hi-Rez design element of letting the players only have one and a half weapons, and at this point most classes don't. Even PTH now has two useful weapons. But the Soldier hasn't really been updated. It still strongly reflects the 1.5 weapon design.

E: There's no way you can use Soldier for chasing. Breaking stand offs maybe, but he's far too slow to be considered a chaser.

Mon May 14, 2012 2:09 am

supern00b

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am
Posts: 551
Location: New Zealand

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

ctrl-k wrote:

That is why so many weapons need to be tweaked, posted in topics that i thought needed changes such as ALL the shotguns for example, also the sparrow and nova colt and eagle could see to some buffs. Dont get me started on sabre and thumperDX. the novablaster and mkd are one of the few 1.5 weapons that are usable, repair tool is fine. Although it needs to fix deployables 10X faster.
Also X1 outclasses the MKD, same with falcon and blaster. However these weapons are actually usable and in some situations, actually better. (both better indoors, but dont know why the hell sent would be indoors to begin with.)

Soldiers can chase, You just need ego, spinfusor and to expend most of your health discjumping two or three times. Hes not a good chaser mind you, never said that, but its possible to chase if you a really bored and its 4:0 or 4:1

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Mon May 14, 2012 2:30 am

Melchi32

Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 11:46 pm
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Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

ctrl-k wrote:

There's no way you can use Soldier for chasing.

I'm assuming one could use the Thumper DX as a propellant since it is one of the worst explosive weapons :lol:

Mon May 14, 2012 2:36 am

Vinson

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm
Posts: 231

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Ive been using soldier for chasing for about a week now. Its brutally hard. I switched to my Jammer/ARX raider for one match, and it was like super easy mode - nevermind using plasma gun instead, 1 of the 3 arx shots usually does as well as the thumper dx in midfield. the thumper has a role, but its just too weak combined with the horrible AR, the NJ4 is so much easier and hits harder...why oh why?

if i get my tech the sparrow, I think his thumper/sparrow combo plus deployable turrets is better for chasing and midfield fighting than the soldier.

before jackal, plasma the game was in good shape. hirez made a mistake with these weapons, and the raiders roles are much to multifaceted and his weapons are far superior.

The inf in open beta was good - sneaky, smart, annoying. Now, everyone runs around stealthing and lobbing jackal rounds like they are a soldier.

I can only assume its hirez forcing purchases and that the soldier will get new and bad upgrades like jackal and plasma, and this makes me worry because balance is swinging the wrong way to even more dps and damage with less aiming skill needed ala plasma gun or jackal.

the game is good, but Hirez needs to think very hard how to fix this bad precedent they set with these new weapons and make some minor tweaks to balance weapons the right way or it might get ugly very fast.

Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 am

Ashesx

Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:15 am
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Location: Twelve days north of hopeless and a few degrees south of freezing to death.

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

I don't know where this impression that the Pathfinder shouldn't be able to hold its own in a duel against other classes. Sure, it's a capping and chasing class, but every class has the potential to beat every other class.

Soldier needs a little help, I think. He mostly needs a better secondary weapon. But I think he'll always suffer from "Jack of all trades, master of none" syndrome. Versatility is his asset, but he's kind of stuck in that place where his versatility is out-classed by the specialties of other classes.

I still love the class, and I love people who underestimate the Soldier.

Although SF + Auto is probably a combination that shouldn't be available for any class to have. LAR should really be a primary weapon...

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Mon May 14, 2012 5:37 am

supern00b

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am
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Location: New Zealand

Re: Pathfinder Vs Soldier.

Ashesx wrote:

"Although SF+auto shouldnt be a combo."
Why not? Many other classes have something similar.
Infiltrator has stealth spinfusor or jackal + SN7 (16 shot, decent rof)
Raider has plasmagun or grenade launcher or arx and a NJ4 (the most bitched about auto in the game)
Jugg has spinfusor discs, mortar and X1 (2nd most powerful auto, most powerful secondary)

Just switch the falcon and the eagle pistol. Give eagle to sentinels and falcon to soldiers. Increase eagle RoF slightly so sents will still be able to duel semi competently (20 shot semi auto instead of 26shot full auto, also change damage and make it projectile instead of hitscan)

That will make Spinfusor actually viable, let him have versitility and people will stop bitching about falcon being OP.
That and actually make the thumper DX useful too.

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