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MaishidonPatch Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:25 pm Posts: 126	WTF is up with the melee in this game A long time ago, I used to regularly slice sandrakers up with my claw in duels. If they got too close, I would just hit the button and get some good, satisfying splashless damage. Then a path came along that tampered with melees. I figured that they had been adjusted before, and had just been toned down too far. I phased the strategy out of my play, and in time it was forgotten. Months went by without a single melee attempt, let alone kill. Then one day, I decided to use infiltrator for generator offense. I quickly discovered that not only had it not been fixed, but the attack made no f*** sense. Hits that look like they should work miss, and horrible misses sometimes hit. With sanic punch on, I've noticed that the blue forcy stuff appears well after the claw has passed off the screen. Even taking into account a delay between the animation and the hit, I've still only been able to score hits on stationary targets, or with repeated attacks in enclosed spaces. Anybody care to explain to me how the hell this works? Does it have a delay? How big is the hitbox? Does lag balls up it's accuracy? Does it have any other strange and illogical nuances? And most importantly, is it just me, or are the mechanics super clunky and hard to figure out?
Sat May 12, 2012 3:16 am

pervy Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:46 pm Posts: 11	Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game The devs have acknowledged the problem with the melee being delayed and said they would fix it but when they will is a current situation in question.
Sat May 12, 2012 3:28 am

DrEuthanasia Beta Tester Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:20 pm Posts: 1101	Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game This is precisely what's up with melee in this game. You could call me a regular practitioner. MaishidonPatch wrote: Does it have a delay? How big is the hitbox? Does lag balls up it's accuracy? Does it have any other strange and illogical nuances? And most importantly, is it just me, or are the mechanics super clunky and hard to figure out? In order, yes, about three Pathfinder torsos in a 180 degree cone, absolutely, yes, and yes. Any other questions?
Sat May 12, 2012 4:15 am

DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game Step one: Go into Target Practice Step two: Melee bots over and over testing out the range, arc, delay and feel Step three: Try to imagine what effect a normal latency delay will have ontop of what you've found in Target Pratice Congratulations, you now know how melee works and how to use it. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!
Sat May 12, 2012 7:10 am

Xeriel Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:36 pm Posts: 577	Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game You need to keep two things in mind: 1) The animation is false, you hit about half a second after you press the button 2) The swing arc isn't very large, if an enemy is moving his hitbox is going to be off position due to how lag works in this game, you'll need to figure out where it is on top of the firing delay In other words, barely worth your time meleeing things, just shoot them, atleast if you miss that you won't be right infront of them. _________________ In game: Ashur (EU servers)
Sat May 12, 2012 9:22 am

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MaishidonPatch

Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:25 pm
Posts: 126

WTF is up with the melee in this game

A long time ago, I used to regularly slice sandrakers up with my claw in duels. If they got too close, I would just hit the button and get some good, satisfying splashless damage. Then a path came along that tampered with melees. I figured that they had been adjusted before, and had just been toned down too far. I phased the strategy out of my play, and in time it was forgotten.

Months went by without a single melee attempt, let alone kill. Then one day, I decided to use infiltrator for generator offense. I quickly discovered that not only had it not been fixed, but the attack made no f*** sense. Hits that look like they should work miss, and horrible misses sometimes hit.

With sanic punch on, I've noticed that the blue forcy stuff appears well after the claw has passed off the screen. Even taking into account a delay between the animation and the hit, I've still only been able to score hits on stationary targets, or with repeated attacks in enclosed spaces. Anybody care to explain to me how the hell this works?

Does it have a delay? How big is the hitbox? Does lag balls up it's accuracy? Does it have any other strange and illogical nuances?

And most importantly, is it just me, or are the mechanics super clunky and hard to figure out?

Sat May 12, 2012 3:16 am

pervy

Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:46 pm
Posts: 11

Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game

The devs have acknowledged the problem with the melee being delayed and said they would fix it but when they will is a current situation in question.

Sat May 12, 2012 3:28 am

DrEuthanasia

Beta Tester

Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:20 pm
Posts: 1101

Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game

This is precisely what's up with melee in this game. You could call me a regular practitioner.

MaishidonPatch wrote:

Does it have a delay? How big is the hitbox? Does lag balls up it's accuracy? Does it have any other strange and illogical nuances?

And most importantly, is it just me, or are the mechanics super clunky and hard to figure out?

In order, yes, about three Pathfinder torsos in a 180 degree cone, absolutely, yes, and yes.

Any other questions?

Sat May 12, 2012 4:15 am

DibbzTheLoner

Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am
Posts: 1616
Location: Australia
Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz

Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game

Step one: Go into Target Practice
Step two: Melee bots over and over testing out the range, arc, delay and feel
Step three: Try to imagine what effect a normal latency delay will have ontop of what you've found in Target Pratice

Congratulations, you now know how melee works and how to use it.

_________________
This signature is green. I like the colour green.
Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green.
Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!

Sat May 12, 2012 7:10 am

Xeriel

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:36 pm
Posts: 577

Re: WTF is up with the melee in this game

You need to keep two things in mind:

1) The animation is false, you hit about half a second after you press the button
2) The swing arc isn't very large, if an enemy is moving his hitbox is going to be off position due to how lag works in this game, you'll need to figure out where it is on top of the firing delay

In other words, barely worth your time meleeing things, just shoot them, atleast if you miss that you won't be right infront of them.

_________________
In game: Ashur (EU servers)

Sat May 12, 2012 9:22 am

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