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DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: Serious unbalance for INF hillsgeo wrote: Cyanistic wrote: hillsgeo wrote: Eh, I use the jackal and idgaf what people think. If no one complains about imbalance, Hi-Rez isn't going to fix it. If anyone complains based on my performance with the jackal (plenty of people do), then I feel as if I've done my job. Besides, why should I gimp myself when so many counters exist for the class? Imo the inf, without the jackal, is underpowered. Yep. INF is a highly tactics-based class which requires a lot of strategy development to be truly effective using backstabs, Stickies, and the SSF. If you honestly think INF is UP without the Jackal then it's you yourself who is UP; get more practice, think about which strategy works best in each situation, try to be constantly aware of what your opponents are expecting you to do and avoid predictability. INF is a class which is more dependant on the player's skill level than most indoor classes, due to how stealth and backstabs work. If you don't develop INF strategies you'll do poorly without the Jackal. The Jackal was developed to make up for lack of stealth skill, and as a consequence of that it also becomes powerful past the point of excess in the hands of really good INFs. _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much! Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu May 10, 2012 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Serious unbalance for INF The problem is the finesse required isnt something new players are able to pick up very fast. A slightly weaker jackal could be good for newer players starting off as inf. _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
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hillsgeo Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:28 pm Posts: 437	Re: Serious unbalance for INF DibbzTheLoner wrote: hillsgeo wrote: Cyanistic wrote: Yep. INF is a highly tactics-based class which requires a lot of strategy development to be truly effective using backstabs, Stickies, and the SSF. If you honestly think INF is UP without the Jackal then it's you yourself who is UP; get more practice, think about which strategy works best in each situation, try to be constantly aware of what your opponents are expecting you to do and avoid predictability. INF is a class which is more dependant on the player's skill level than most indoor classes, due to how stealth and backstabs work. If you don't develop INF strategies you'll do poorly without the Jackal. Lmao. This is the problem with trying to lecture others on anonymous forums. I'm rank 33 with ~38% of my play time as inf. Not that it matters, but I have something like 15 slayer accolades, several with inf, and I like to think I'm useful in every game I play. Whether it's keeping 3-4 people occupied with the gen, returning flags, or general abuse. There is like one person on one team that runs inf consistently in comp. Outside of stand offs, inf is outclassed (mainly by raider). Personally, I could care less if they completely removed the jackal as I quite enjoyed the challenge inf provided before it was introduced. Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are.
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supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Serious unbalance for INF ^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher. _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
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DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: Serious unbalance for INF hillsgeo wrote: Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are. I never said I was better than you; I'm a terrible Infiltrator I know why I'm crap and how I could get better but I find other classes more fun so I typically don't play INF. supern00b wrote: ^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher. Shazbot! I just realised I'm over 700 posts now o_0 Also, if there were a counter for post-edits as well it'd probably read about 5000 by now. ^^" I might have OCD... or just no life... or both. Does this make me an uber l33t pro yet? _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much! Last edited by DibbzTheLoner on Thu May 10, 2012 9:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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hillsgeo Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:28 pm Posts: 437	Re: Serious unbalance for INF DibbzTheLoner wrote: hillsgeo wrote: Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are. I never said I was better than you; I'm a terrible Infiltrator I know why I'm crap and how I could get better but I find other classes more fun so I typically don't play INF. supern00b wrote: ^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher. Shazbot! I just realised I'm over 700 posts now o_0 Does this make me an uber l33t pro yet? Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea?
Thu May 10, 2012 9:28 pm

DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: Serious unbalance for INF hillsgeo wrote: Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea? Because _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!
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supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Serious unbalance for INF DibbzTheLoner wrote: hillsgeo wrote: Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea? Because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBYoVr-FFQ _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
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Brakkis Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:19 pm Posts: 16 Steam Gamer Name: Braxxis	Re: Serious unbalance for INF I use the INF as my vehicle class, have a loadout with Pilot and Wheel Deal on. Get vehicle, get kills, get blown-up, stealth when I eject (possibly finish off anyone who's low in the area), go get another vehicle. It's fun in other ways, but I like that one. _________________ "By the edge of those wilds, warriors have charged. But now the years have passed, the generals have left and the grass grows in the armors hollow on the hill."
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DibbzTheLoner Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:30 am Posts: 1616 Location: Australia Steam Gamer Name: Dibbz	Re: Serious unbalance for INF supern00b wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBYoVr-FFQ XD _________________ This signature is green. I like the colour green. Wait, why are you still reading? It should be obvious that this signature is pointless and just here to be green. Stop reading already! You're procrastinating too much!
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DibbzTheLoner

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

hillsgeo wrote:

Cyanistic wrote:

hillsgeo wrote:

Eh, I use the jackal and idgaf what people think. If no one complains about imbalance, Hi-Rez isn't going to fix it. If anyone complains based on my performance with the jackal (plenty of people do), then I feel as if I've done my job.

Besides, why should I gimp myself when so many counters exist for the class? Imo the inf, without the jackal, is underpowered.

Yep.

INF is a highly tactics-based class which requires a lot of strategy development to be truly effective using backstabs, Stickies, and the SSF.

If you honestly think INF is UP without the Jackal then it's you yourself who is UP; get more practice, think about which strategy works best in each situation, try to be constantly aware of what your opponents are expecting you to do and avoid predictability.

INF is a class which is more dependant on the player's skill level than most indoor classes, due to how stealth and backstabs work. If you don't develop INF strategies you'll do poorly without the Jackal.

The Jackal was developed to make up for lack of stealth skill, and as a consequence of that it also becomes powerful past the point of excess in the hands of really good INFs.

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supern00b

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

The problem is the finesse required isnt something new players are able to pick up very fast.
A slightly weaker jackal could be good for newer players starting off as inf.

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hillsgeo

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

DibbzTheLoner wrote:

hillsgeo wrote:

Cyanistic wrote:

Yep.

Lmao. This is the problem with trying to lecture others on anonymous forums. I'm rank 33 with ~38% of my play time as inf. Not that it matters, but I have something like 15 slayer accolades, several with inf, and I like to think I'm useful in every game I play. Whether it's keeping 3-4 people occupied with the gen, returning flags, or general abuse.

There is like one person on one team that runs inf consistently in comp. Outside of stand offs, inf is outclassed (mainly by raider).

Personally, I could care less if they completely removed the jackal as I quite enjoyed the challenge inf provided before it was introduced. Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are.

Thu May 10, 2012 9:14 pm

supern00b

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher.

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DibbzTheLoner

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

hillsgeo wrote:

Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are.

I never said I was better than you; I'm a terrible Infiltrator :lol:

I know why I'm crap and how I could get better but I find other classes more fun so I typically don't play INF.

supern00b wrote:

^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher.

Shazbot! I just realised I'm over 700 posts now o_0

Also, if there were a counter for post-edits as well it'd probably read about 5000 by now. ^^"
I might have OCD... or just no life... or both.

Does this make me an uber l33t pro yet?

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Thu May 10, 2012 9:24 pm

hillsgeo

Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:28 pm
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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

DibbzTheLoner wrote:

hillsgeo wrote:

Anyway, it's in poor taste to assume that the person you are addressing does not share your opinion because you are better than they are.

I never said I was better than you; I'm a terrible Infiltrator :lol:

I know why I'm crap and how I could get better but I find other classes more fun so I typically don't play INF.

supern00b wrote:

^I just assume anyone who has more than 200 posts is gold or higher.

Shazbot! I just realised I'm over 700 posts now o_0

Does this make me an uber l33t pro yet?

Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea? :shock:

Thu May 10, 2012 9:28 pm

DibbzTheLoner

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

hillsgeo wrote:

Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea? :shock:

Because

Thu May 10, 2012 9:39 pm

supern00b

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

DibbzTheLoner wrote:

hillsgeo wrote:

Then why engage in debate over the class, specifically it's capabilities, if you admittedly have no idea? :shock:

Because

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBYoVr-FFQ

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

I use the INF as my vehicle class, have a loadout with Pilot and Wheel Deal on.

Get vehicle, get kills, get blown-up, stealth when I eject (possibly finish off anyone who's low in the area), go get another vehicle.

It's fun in other ways, but I like that one.

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Thu May 10, 2012 9:45 pm

DibbzTheLoner

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Re: Serious unbalance for INF

supern00b wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBYoVr-FFQ

Thu May 10, 2012 9:50 pm

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