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DemoEvolved Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am Posts: 2032	Re: Removethe saber. Elysiume wrote: I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. ...should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether. this
Wed May 02, 2012 2:16 pm

TheAlgerian Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am Posts: 165	Re: Removethe saber. Elysiume wrote: I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether. It's not supposed to be based on its user's skill, but on the lack of targeted enemy's skill. If saber is a problem to you, you're just not good. It's been overnerfed already, that's more than enough, quit complaining about perfectly working system and learn to play. Thundertactics wrote: This I'll agree with. It's not fun to use. And it's not fun to be targeted by. The second they'll offer a reasonable replacement, it's going in the bin for everyone. Fun enough for me watching target vs missile racing. Also not supposed to be fun but supposed to do the job. Again, if you cant avoid getting locked on, then evade or shooting it down as it comes at very low speed blinking red towards you, you're just not good, don't blame the weapon for your lack of skills. _________________
Wed May 02, 2012 2:17 pm

fubbymaster Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm Posts: 337	Re: Removethe saber. Elysiume wrote: I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether. This is what I was trying to say
Wed May 02, 2012 2:40 pm

fubbymaster Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm Posts: 337	Re: Removethe saber. miniKAD wrote: fubbymaster wrote: Remove it. Replace it. Seriously shrike needs a way to fight back the AA, but not an easy way ATM shrikes can only run, and then there is the fact saber takes no skill. Ive played another game, where there were AA turrets you could get in and control, But they could not shoot straight up, so you had to get right above them, then nosedive while shooting, The counter to shrikes needs to work, and shrikes need to be able to do something about it Seriously? it is unbelievably easy to avoid Sabre missiles in the Shrike, You can run, or try to shoot the missile down, all you have to do is hide behind a building or some terrain for 5 seconds.... Honestly I couldn't fully understand your post, you were either saying it is too easy, or too hard to evade missiles, can you clear that up please? Easy to avoid, yes, but no so easy to kill the dmb, and if you do, hes back in 3 seconds, What im saying, is its skilless, and is just annoying - not even good at what its for.
Wed May 02, 2012 2:42 pm

TeaL3af Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:30 pm Posts: 767	Re: Removethe saber. Replace it with any of the dozens of better ideas that have been suggested for it.
Wed May 02, 2012 2:49 pm

Elysiume Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm Posts: 1058	Re: Removethe saber. TheAlgerian wrote: Elysiume wrote: I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether. It's not supposed to be based on its user's skill, but on the lack of targeted enemy's skill. If saber is a problem to you, you're just not good. It's been overnerfed already, that's more than enough, quit complaining about perfectly working system and learn to play. It's not a problem to me. It's a nuisance. Also, balancing weapons around other people being bad rather than the user being good is awful design. _________________ 100% inheritance is something the game needs. Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.
Wed May 02, 2012 4:16 pm

Canucck Alpha Tester Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:54 pm Posts: 3944	Re: Removethe saber. Sabre is an incredibly boring weapon both to use and fight against... it should definitely be replaced by something else.
Wed May 02, 2012 4:35 pm

4RT1LL3RY Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:08 pm Posts: 224	Re: Removethe saber. Replace Saber with Flak cannon. Shots multiple fast moving projectiles that have a proximity fuse against vehicles. If you are good with it you can also hit people. It would need to somehow suck against people on the ground though. Not sure how.
Wed May 02, 2012 4:48 pm

Biofreezer Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:57 pm Posts: 58	Re: Removethe saber. I dont think it has to be replaced, you have a fantastic CG wich fires 320 rounds without changing mags. The Sabre launcher was made to be the weapon wich you choose if you have to make some repairs! To be honest, wich weapon you are picking when you have to reapair the Generator, Turret or whatever. The Saber launcher!!! Thats what is was made for!! _________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXC3tezqwrA&list=FLBaX2kDr8xck8XBhJrmQPQQ&feature=mh_lolz
Wed May 02, 2012 5:48 pm

Tamburlaine Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am Posts: 1859	Re: Removethe saber. Yetskii wrote: Thundertactics wrote: Elysiume wrote: I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether. This I'll agree with. It's not fun to use. And it's not fun to be targeted by. The second they'll offer a reasonable replacement, it's going in the bin for everyone. Problem with fly by wire is that you are imobile forced to stand utterly still while piloting a rocket...easy prey to anything pretty much, with no way to even attempt to dodge/jet etc...sitting duck while firing and chasing a shrike... Um. No? I'm assuming you're thinking of some sort of "fire it and then guide the rocket from its own point of view" type thing, right? When most people talk about a wire/laser/whatever-guided rocket, they just mean something that will follow your crosshairs when you move them after firing. You don't have to sit still for that. Think Vengeance's rocket pod or the RPG from the Half-Life games. _________________ oh god where does this link go how did it get here I am not good with computer
Wed May 02, 2012 5:55 pm

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DemoEvolved

Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:28 am
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Re: Removethe saber.

Elysiume wrote:

I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. ...should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether.

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Wed May 02, 2012 2:16 pm

TheAlgerian

Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:48 am
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Re: Removethe saber.

Elysiume wrote:

I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether.

It's not supposed to be based on its user's skill, but on the lack of targeted enemy's skill. If saber is a problem to you, you're just not good. It's been overnerfed already, that's more than enough, quit complaining about perfectly working system and learn to play.

Thundertactics wrote:

This I'll agree with.
It's not fun to use. And it's not fun to be targeted by.
The second they'll offer a reasonable replacement, it's going in the bin for everyone.

Fun enough for me watching target vs missile racing.
Also not supposed to be fun but supposed to do the job.

Again, if you cant avoid getting locked on, then evade or shooting it down as it comes at very low speed blinking red towards you, you're just not good, don't blame the weapon for your lack of skills.

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Wed May 02, 2012 2:17 pm

fubbymaster

Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm
Posts: 337

Re: Removethe saber.

Elysiume wrote:

I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether.

This is what I was trying to say

Wed May 02, 2012 2:40 pm

fubbymaster

Joined: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:21 pm
Posts: 337

Re: Removethe saber.

miniKAD wrote:

fubbymaster wrote:

Remove it.
Replace it.

Seriously shrike needs a way to fight back the AA, but not an easy way ATM shrikes can only run, and then there is the fact saber takes no skill.

Ive played another game, where there were AA turrets you could get in and control, But they could not shoot straight up, so you had to get right above them, then nosedive while shooting, The counter to shrikes needs to work, and shrikes need to be able to do something about it

Seriously? it is unbelievably easy to avoid Sabre missiles in the Shrike,
You can run, or try to shoot the missile down, all you have to do is hide behind a building or some terrain for 5 seconds....

Honestly I couldn't fully understand your post, you were either saying it is too easy, or too hard to evade missiles, can you clear that up please?

Easy to avoid, yes, but no so easy to kill the dmb, and if you do, hes back in 3 seconds, What im saying, is its skilless, and is just annoying - not even good at what its for.

Wed May 02, 2012 2:42 pm

TeaL3af

Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:30 pm
Posts: 767

Re: Removethe saber.

Replace it with any of the dozens of better ideas that have been suggested for it.

Wed May 02, 2012 2:49 pm

Elysiume

Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:33 pm
Posts: 1058

Re: Removethe saber.

TheAlgerian wrote:

Elysiume wrote:

I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether.

It's not a problem to me. It's a nuisance.

Also, balancing weapons around other people being bad rather than the user being good is awful design.

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Jetpacks need to behave more like jetpacks, at all speeds.

Wed May 02, 2012 4:16 pm

Canucck

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Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:54 pm
Posts: 3944

Re: Removethe saber.

Sabre is an incredibly boring weapon both to use and fight against... it should definitely be replaced by something else.

Wed May 02, 2012 4:35 pm

4RT1LL3RY

Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:08 pm
Posts: 224

Re: Removethe saber.

Replace Saber with Flak cannon. Shots multiple fast moving projectiles that have a proximity fuse against vehicles. If you are good with it you can also hit people.

It would need to somehow suck against people on the ground though. Not sure how.

Wed May 02, 2012 4:48 pm

Biofreezer

Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:57 pm
Posts: 58

Re: Removethe saber.

I dont think it has to be replaced, you have a fantastic CG wich fires 320 rounds without changing mags. The Sabre launcher was made to be the weapon wich you choose if you have to make some repairs! To be honest, wich weapon you are picking when you have to reapair the Generator, Turret or whatever. The Saber launcher!!! Thats what is was made for!! :ugeek:

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Wed May 02, 2012 5:48 pm

Tamburlaine

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:13 am
Posts: 1859

Re: Removethe saber.

Yetskii wrote:

Thundertactics wrote:

Elysiume wrote:

I'd say remove because it just isn't fun. It's a skill-less weapon. It's just bad design and should either be replaced with a fly-by-wire/TV-rocket or removed altogether.

This I'll agree with.
It's not fun to use. And it's not fun to be targeted by.
The second they'll offer a reasonable replacement, it's going in the bin for everyone.

Problem with fly by wire is that you are imobile forced to stand utterly still while piloting a rocket...easy prey to anything pretty much, with no way to even attempt to dodge/jet etc...sitting duck while firing and chasing a shrike...

Um. No?

I'm assuming you're thinking of some sort of "fire it and then guide the rocket from its own point of view" type thing, right? When most people talk about a wire/laser/whatever-guided rocket, they just mean something that will follow your crosshairs when you move them after firing. You don't have to sit still for that. Think Vengeance's rocket pod or the RPG from the Half-Life games.

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Wed May 02, 2012 5:55 pm

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