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TheGoden Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:19 pm Posts: 12	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Agreed on every point. I've actually completely stopped playing CTF because I got tired of the 0-5 stomp matches, which happened almost 92% of the time. I now flip-flop between CaH and TDM, and that brings forth a new problem. TDM and CaH have a much larger focus on dueling, which is fine. Dueling is a huge part of Tribes. The problem is that sodding chaingun and LMG. A single doombringer with his non-reloading constant-fire chaingun can pretty much shut down an entire point completely. You cannot duel with them either as they can lay down MUCH more damage on you before you even get your second shot off with your spinny. Dueling with one is suicide.
Wed May 02, 2012 2:00 pm

Pittyswains Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:36 am Posts: 2126	Re: The game is in a deplorable state OuchMyBoobies wrote: team stacking - deal with it or join a different server. you can't fix it. experience cost - considering how long you play the game for, it's not really that bad. you can make 100k in less than four days. if anything, it's a good way to encourage players to pay even just $10 for vip. surely a game you play for so long is worth $10? bullet weapons...i really don't see any issue on hitscan (pistols, sniper rifles and shoutguns). they are limited / specialized in their roles. smg's are usually a trade-off between it and something else (usually a spinfusor). sometimes the spinfusor is the tool to have, sometimes the smg is the tool to have. sometimes it just comes down to player preference; i like having the options at least. Herp force autojoin derp. _________________ shayd wrote: Ok But why do all combats I see take place like this: Two or more guys slide on the ground at huge speed which in real life would make your shoe evaporate to other dimension and meantime spamming those bombs or new players trying to be fair shooting a machine gun
Wed May 02, 2012 2:34 pm

lastfatality09 Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm Posts: 110	Re: The game is in a deplorable state TheGoden wrote: Agreed on every point. I've actually completely stopped playing CTF because I got tired of the 0-5 stomp matches, which happened almost 92% of the time. I now flip-flop between CaH and TDM, and that brings forth a new problem. TDM and CaH have a much larger focus on dueling, which is fine. Dueling is a huge part of Tribes. The problem is that sodding chaingun and LMG. A single doombringer with his non-reloading constant-fire chaingun can pretty much shut down an entire point completely. You cannot duel with them either as they can lay down MUCH more damage on you before you even get your second shot off with your spinny. Dueling with one is suicide. Same, I try to come back to CTF but the matches aren't even fun anymore you either obliterate the other team or get obliterated, it's not fun for both parties. On the subject of the Machine Gun of the doombringer, even though it's annoying it's not that overpowered but the juggernaut's LMG on the other hand is one of the most OP in the game: -Fast Bullets -Fast Firing Speed -Loads of Damage (still a bit less than the doombringer's) -Fast Reloading speed You can't even counter it, if you have a spinfusor you either shoot them in the air or wait for them to come down and already be dead. _________________
Wed May 02, 2012 2:42 pm

Fingon Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm Posts: 1486	Re: The game is in a deplorable state lastfatality09 wrote: TheGoden wrote: Agreed on every point. I've actually completely stopped playing CTF because I got tired of the 0-5 stomp matches, which happened almost 92% of the time. I now flip-flop between CaH and TDM, and that brings forth a new problem. TDM and CaH have a much larger focus on dueling, which is fine. Dueling is a huge part of Tribes. The problem is that sodding chaingun and LMG. A single doombringer with his non-reloading constant-fire chaingun can pretty much shut down an entire point completely. You cannot duel with them either as they can lay down MUCH more damage on you before you even get your second shot off with your spinny. Dueling with one is suicide. Same, I try to come back to CTF but the matches aren't even fun anymore you either obliterate the other team or get obliterated, it's not fun for both parties. On the subject of the Machine Gun of the doombringer, even though it's annoying it's not that overpowered but the juggernaut's LMG on the other hand is one of the most OP in the game: -Fast Bullets -Fast Firing Speed -Loads of Damage (still a bit less than the doombringer's) -Fast Reloading speed You can't even counter it, if you have a spinfusor you either shoot them in the air or wait for them to come down and already be dead. The chaingun is stronger then the LMG. However the jug also has the disc grenades. _________________ Please support the cause for better CTF PUB games! TOP forum Thread Fingon's montages http://www.twitch.tv/Fingonar -Fingon, Flamboyant Teammember.
Wed May 02, 2012 3:04 pm

Coloradoguy234 Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:26 pm Posts: 178 Location: Colorado	Re: The game is in a deplorable state I can agree with the OP. They are all valid complaints.
Wed May 02, 2012 4:47 pm

jungleboss Joined: Thu May 03, 2012 6:22 am Posts: 5	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Have Hi-rez ever responded to the complaints about having to spend $100 - 150 to unlock all core weapons? Or play 50-100 matches per weapon to unlock. I like this great game and doesn't expect it to be free. But this is quite insane. Give us all the weapons for the same price as other full priced games ($40-60) at least. Don't force us to either pay $10 per weapon or play 25-50 hours to unlock a single weapon! I feel this is too greedy. Give us that can't play many hours every day/week an option other than paying >$100.
Thu May 03, 2012 7:21 am

Rithas Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm Posts: 733 Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine	Re: The game is in a deplorable state The only weapons that should be left hitscan are the eagle and btx/phase in my humble opinion. Only because the way they're used takes practice. Automatic weaponry in general needs to be toned down something fierce. _________________
Thu May 03, 2012 7:41 am

HazerAM Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:26 pm Posts: 67	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Team stacking was a problem in the original tribes, nothing can stop it. Eventually enough players become skilled enough and start switching mid-map to even it themselves. This only happens when the community as a whole gets more experience. I don't agree with most of the arguments. When I first started, yes I would have agreed but only because I had the mindset this was not the same as the original. Now that I have accepted that this will not be the same (I miss choosing my own loadouts and not having to STAY a tech after I setup a defense) I realize that the progression of the game is to keep it moving forward with some sort of balance. It is what it is. The one thing I agree with: Quote: This isn't normal, the prices are absurdly high, on top of everything you also have to upgrade weapons, armor, items, special class abilities. Something has to be done about this in order to keep people incentivated to keep winning exp and to make them buy gold. This will get ignored. What I feel is a better compromise is better XP rewards. Leave the prices/cost the way it is, but earning XP in a match should be better. I could be on the otp of the board of the losing team, pretty much be the only person trying to defend the flag on the wrong end of a stacked team, and I would get less than 500 XP for my effort. But if I joined a stacked team and pretty much sat there, I could get 2000+. The reward system needs work. _________________ Hi-rez is so busy trying to 'force' equality of player skill level in order to appease the masses (who generally lack skill) that the game goes through these ridiculous iterations of 'balance'.
Thu May 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Derisory Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:46 pm Posts: 2	Re: The game is in a deplorable state With HiRez's inability to correct or even acknowledge the current issues, I think I can safely say this game will have an early grave. I can not begin to count how many times I've seen threads closed with the same copy and pasted response from one of the PRs.
Thu May 03, 2012 10:13 pm

Mezecs Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:04 pm Posts: 8	Re: The game is in a deplorable state OuchMyBoobies wrote: experience cost - considering how long you play the game for, it's not really that bad. you can make 100k in less than four days. if anything, it's a good way to encourage players to pay even just $10 for vip. surely a game you play for so long is worth $10? 4 days... 4 f*** DAYS TO UNLOCK 1 WEAPON, and that's if you're playing a lot during those 4 days, ridiculous. "Oh well if you want the weapon buy it" you might say. Well if that's the only reasonable option (which it isn't because it's a $10 in-game so called "micro" transaction) then what's the point in the game being F2P?
Thu May 03, 2012 10:44 pm

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TheGoden

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:19 pm
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Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Agreed on every point.

I've actually completely stopped playing CTF because I got tired of the 0-5 stomp matches, which happened almost 92% of the time. I now flip-flop between CaH and TDM, and that brings forth a new problem. TDM and CaH have a much larger focus on dueling, which is fine. Dueling is a huge part of Tribes.

The problem is that sodding chaingun and LMG. A single doombringer with his non-reloading constant-fire chaingun can pretty much shut down an entire point completely. You cannot duel with them either as they can lay down MUCH more damage on you before you even get your second shot off with your spinny. Dueling with one is suicide.

Wed May 02, 2012 2:00 pm

Pittyswains

Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:36 am
Posts: 2126

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

OuchMyBoobies wrote:

team stacking - deal with it or join a different server. you can't fix it.

experience cost - considering how long you play the game for, it's not really that bad. you can make 100k in less than four days. if anything, it's a good way to encourage players to pay even just $10 for vip. surely a game you play for so long is worth $10?

bullet weapons...i really don't see any issue on hitscan (pistols, sniper rifles and shoutguns). they are limited / specialized in their roles. smg's are usually a trade-off between it and something else (usually a spinfusor). sometimes the spinfusor is the tool to have, sometimes the smg is the tool to have. sometimes it just comes down to player preference; i like having the options at least.

Herp force autojoin derp.

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shayd wrote:

Ok But why do all combats I see take place like this: Two or more guys slide on the ground at huge speed which in real life would make your shoe evaporate to other dimension and meantime spamming those bombs or new players trying to be fair shooting a machine gun

Wed May 02, 2012 2:34 pm

lastfatality09

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm
Posts: 110

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

TheGoden wrote:

Same, I try to come back to CTF but the matches aren't even fun anymore you either obliterate the other team or get obliterated, it's not fun for both parties.

On the subject of the Machine Gun of the doombringer, even though it's annoying it's not that overpowered but the juggernaut's LMG on the other hand is one of the most OP in the game:
-Fast Bullets
-Fast Firing Speed
-Loads of Damage (still a bit less than the doombringer's)
-Fast Reloading speed

You can't even counter it, if you have a spinfusor you either shoot them in the air or wait for them to come down and already be dead.

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Wed May 02, 2012 2:42 pm

Fingon

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm
Posts: 1486

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

lastfatality09 wrote:

TheGoden wrote:

The chaingun is stronger then the LMG. However the jug also has the disc grenades.

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Please support the cause for better CTF PUB games!
TOP forum Thread
Fingon's montages
http://www.twitch.tv/Fingonar
-Fingon, Flamboyant Teammember.

Wed May 02, 2012 3:04 pm

Coloradoguy234

Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:26 pm
Posts: 178
Location: Colorado

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

I can agree with the OP. They are all valid complaints.

Wed May 02, 2012 4:47 pm

jungleboss

Joined: Thu May 03, 2012 6:22 am
Posts: 5

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Have Hi-rez ever responded to the complaints about having to spend $100 - 150 to unlock all core weapons? Or play 50-100 matches per weapon to unlock.

I like this great game and doesn't expect it to be free. But this is quite insane. Give us all the weapons for the same price as other full priced games ($40-60) at least. Don't force us to either pay $10 per weapon or play 25-50 hours to unlock a single weapon! I feel this is too greedy.

Give us that can't play many hours every day/week an option other than paying >$100.

Thu May 03, 2012 7:21 am

Rithas

Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:34 pm
Posts: 733
Steam Gamer Name: AngryMarine

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

The only weapons that should be left hitscan are the eagle and btx/phase in my humble opinion. Only because the way they're used takes practice. Automatic weaponry in general needs to be toned down something fierce.

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Thu May 03, 2012 7:41 am

HazerAM

Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:26 pm
Posts: 67

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Team stacking was a problem in the original tribes, nothing can stop it. Eventually enough players become skilled enough and start switching mid-map to even it themselves. This only happens when the community as a whole gets more experience.

I don't agree with most of the arguments. When I first started, yes I would have agreed but only because I had the mindset this was not the same as the original. Now that I have accepted that this will not be the same (I miss choosing my own loadouts and not having to STAY a tech after I setup a defense) I realize that the progression of the game is to keep it moving forward with some sort of balance. It is what it is.

The one thing I agree with:

Quote:

This isn't normal, the prices are absurdly high, on top of everything you also have to upgrade weapons, armor, items, special class abilities. Something has to be done about this in order to keep people incentivated to keep winning exp and to make them buy gold.

This will get ignored. What I feel is a better compromise is better XP rewards. Leave the prices/cost the way it is, but earning XP in a match should be better. I could be on the otp of the board of the losing team, pretty much be the only person trying to defend the flag on the wrong end of a stacked team, and I would get less than 500 XP for my effort. But if I joined a stacked team and pretty much sat there, I could get 2000+. The reward system needs work.

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Hi-rez is so busy trying to 'force' equality of player skill level in order to appease the masses (who generally lack skill) that the game goes through these ridiculous iterations of 'balance'.

Thu May 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Derisory

Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:46 pm
Posts: 2

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

With HiRez's inability to correct or even acknowledge the current issues, I think I can safely say this game will have an early grave. I can not begin to count how many times I've seen threads closed with the same copy and pasted response from one of the PRs.

Thu May 03, 2012 10:13 pm

Mezecs

Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:04 pm
Posts: 8

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

OuchMyBoobies wrote:

experience cost - considering how long you play the game for, it's not really that bad. you can make 100k in less than four days. if anything, it's a good way to encourage players to pay even just $10 for vip. surely a game you play for so long is worth $10?

4 days... 4 f*** DAYS TO UNLOCK 1 WEAPON, and that's if you're playing a lot during those 4 days, ridiculous. "Oh well if you want the weapon buy it" you might say. Well if that's the only reasonable option (which it isn't because it's a $10 in-game so called "micro" transaction) then what's the point in the game being F2P?

Thu May 03, 2012 10:44 pm

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