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lastfatality09 Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm Posts: 110	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Fingon wrote: I'm ok with random teams if they introduce a party system.(and that doesn't mean fractal party's!) Actually a party system would go really well with random teams _________________
Tue May 01, 2012 2:13 pm

TheDoubleAgent Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:54 am Posts: 69	Re: The game is in a deplorable state lastfatality09 wrote: OuchMyBoobies wrote: team stacking - deal with it or join a different server. you can't fix it. Yes you can, at the start of the match no letting anyone see the team composition (ranks, classes etc) Wouldn't matter. You would get whole teams that decide to pub on one day to go one team (My team is completely guilty of this). Also people go join the winning team the next match all the time, regardless of them looking at team composition. Ranks do not mean skill, it just tells you how long they have been playing. _________________ T:A - DoubleAgent \| GA: TheDoubleAgent
Tue May 01, 2012 4:06 pm

ShawnJr Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:21 pm Posts: 980	Re: The game is in a deplorable state why do people teamstack in tribes? rank in this game usually corresponds to how useful a player will be. i'll explain how. if someone is high ranked, they likely have their unlocks. an engineer with thumper (pretty much a straight up upgrade in close combat), fast repair perks, and their own playtime experience is going to be lot more useful than a newbie who just started out with basic gun and unupgraded repair tool. more importantly, winning is directly related to the XP you get. unlocking/upgrading weapons/perks costs lots of XP, so i need all the XP i can. why would i, or anyone else, purposely go to a losing team and (a) probably get their ass handed by a stacked team (b) lose the game (c) lose the extra amount of XP they could be getting. obviously, some people won't care or they're super duper nice to stack team but for the vast majority stacking IS the logical choice. it's our XP and we need it NOW! _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/ShawnJr0 Tribes: Ascend Funny Moments [youtube series] Infiltrator Tips and Tricks [youtube series]
Tue May 01, 2012 4:13 pm

ShawnJr Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:21 pm Posts: 980	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Jeradox wrote: I like a lot of your points, I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the cost of weapons. Although I think they are a LITTLE bit more pricy, then in other FPS games, yes the weapons are cheaper. I don't know many free FPS games the only other one I have experiance with is Combat Arms which was a cheatfest. But that's another issue. I also play TF2. This game has TF2 feel in so many sense. Anyhow, the weapons there are 5000x times cheaper than here. You can go premium for less than a dollar You find (find as in they'll automatically be given to you by the system) random 10-12 weapons for 10 hours or so time you play each week. You still don't have the weapon you want? No problem, use the weapons you have, follow the recipe (which are fair btw) and craft the one you want. You say the recipe is too expensive? Well go ahead and trade. Every normal weapon can be traded for at maximum 2 random weapons (except when a new weapon comes out...high demand at that time but over a course of 2-4 weeks it'll be back to normal. You can also find other "expensive" items such as paints, tools, hats, misc. You can trade those for TONS of weapons. The cheapest hat you find can be traded for 15-18 weapons ease. You can also "idle" your account. There are servers made for that purpose Oh and Valve doesn't mind that. (almost) nobody over there uses TF2 Store to buy weapons. trading or crafting or waiting for it to drop is a much better choice. there are people who do buy cosmetics off the store. more importantly, tons of people buy keys from the store. it doesn't effect gameplay what so ever and Valve makes TONS of profit from it. they posted the $ they made from TF2 somewhere....it's like money is raining. Lastly, the "unlocks" are (almost) always a sidegrade. obviously T:A won't have flexible system...and i don't blame them...but 100000000000000000 (i forgot how many 0's follow after that 1) to unlock a single bloody weapon is just...nuts. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/ShawnJr0 Tribes: Ascend Funny Moments [youtube series] Infiltrator Tips and Tricks [youtube series]
Tue May 01, 2012 4:30 pm

Vinson Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm Posts: 231	Re: The game is in a deplorable state as a VIP I just gained 100,000 XP in 30 hours of playing. As someone who enjoys FPS games, I expect to play this game for a year or 2 at least. Thats millions of XP having spent only 10 bucks, and getting everything I want no problem. If you want it faster pay for it. This game is free to play, and your post sounds like a whole lot of QQ. As for the SMG's, etc - I agree on the soldier - the spinfusor is iconic and it was a very poor decision to start him with a thumper and no spinfusor, but the thumper is a lot easier to use for newbies, as is the AR vs the Eagle. Otherwise, while the bullets do hurt, I continue to remain adamant that for the most part, they are just fine. The only exception being the soldiers AR and Eagle, both of which need a buff to be in line with the raiders NJ4 and to give the soldier better chasing capacity. The Juggernaught was a poor choice for a chaingun given his already impressive arsenal, but I'm sure many would disagree on this point. Every game suffers from teamstacking, it is dissappointing that HiRez has failed to address this by being innovative, but really, its no different than any other game, and at least stacked games end quickly and I still have been fortunate to get at least 3 good matches everyday. if you hit a server with a voicechat group pwning newbs by chance, I recommend leaving and rejoining the server Que if you experience continued stacking, odds are you will join a new set of players and things will improve. The game could use tweaking. I wish Hirez was more visible in addressing prime and repeat concerns, but to say the game is in a deplorable state - well, if that was the case, the HiRez must be really dumb, because they're about to lose a bunch of money and a great game and all their players - in which case they would be addressing these so called concerns much more heavily. Obviously ppl are paying and playing and enjoying the game, and have been for months. Just look at how many people drop 10 bucks for a skin. A skin. Cant be all that bad.
Tue May 01, 2012 5:24 pm

Fingon Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm Posts: 1468	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Yesterday I got 1 badge + about 10/8 hours of play or something. got me 35k xp. Note that I do have VIP. There's a point you just need to start playing with a lot of friends and don't even bother with farming xp in any sense. Only then will you be pleasantly Surprised by how much you have acquired during your playtime. _________________ Please support the cause for better CTF PUB games! TOP forum Thread Fingon's montages http://www.twitch.tv/Fingonar -Fingon, Flamboyant Teammember.
Wed May 02, 2012 5:41 am

lastfatality09 Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm Posts: 110	Re: The game is in a deplorable state Fingon wrote: Yesterday I got 1 badge + about 10/8 hours of play or something. got me 35k xp. Note that I do have VIP. There's a point you just need to start playing with a lot of friends and don't even bother with farming xp in any sense. Only then will you be pleasantly Surprised by how much you have acquired during your playtime. I understand that very well, but I still think the gold prices for weapons are ridiculous, I don't feel like wasting 10€ just for an in-game weapon plus i still need to upgrade it with EXP _________________
Wed May 02, 2012 8:50 am

AwwThatsTooBad Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:43 pm Posts: 712	Re: The game is in a deplorable state I can't take stacking claim seriously when people base it upon rank. Partly because for every thread like it one exists stating rank does not reflect ones skill. which is it? can't have both. _________________ I am looking to learn top secret flag punting skills since I can't cap. I am looking to learn top secret ninja hold-down-fire-button auto spamming skill tactics so I can play in the 35-50 kiddie pool. I am higher rank than all of you, therefore, I am obviously better than all of you.
Wed May 02, 2012 11:16 am

Diknak Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:28 pm Posts: 553	Re: The game is in a deplorable state AwwThatsTooBad wrote: I can't take stacking claim seriously when people base it upon rank. Partly because for every thread like it one exists stating rank does not reflect ones skill. which is it? can't have both. Rank signifies time played. In a skill based game, there is a positive correlation between time spent playing and growth of skill. So that concludes that while rank != skill, there is a valid generalization that higher ranks will typically be better. _________________ do \|\| !do; try; #Error: Command try not found.
Wed May 02, 2012 11:47 am

Fingon Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm Posts: 1468	Re: The game is in a deplorable state lastfatality09 wrote: Fingon wrote: Yesterday I got 1 badge + about 10/8 hours of play or something. got me 35k xp. Note that I do have VIP. There's a point you just need to start playing with a lot of friends and don't even bother with farming xp in any sense. Only then will you be pleasantly Surprised by how much you have acquired during your playtime. I understand that very well, but I still think the gold prices for weapons are ridiculous, I don't feel like wasting 10€ just for an in-game weapon plus i still need to upgrade it with EXP I misunderstood you then, I agree. 10 Dollar for a weapon is Ridiculous. The packs are better though. _________________ Please support the cause for better CTF PUB games! TOP forum Thread Fingon's montages http://www.twitch.tv/Fingonar -Fingon, Flamboyant Teammember.
Wed May 02, 2012 1:37 pm

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lastfatality09

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm
Posts: 110

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Fingon wrote:

I'm ok with random teams if they introduce a party system.(and that doesn't mean fractal party's!)

Actually a party system would go really well with random teams

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Tue May 01, 2012 2:13 pm

TheDoubleAgent

Joined: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:54 am
Posts: 69

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

lastfatality09 wrote:

OuchMyBoobies wrote:

team stacking - deal with it or join a different server. you can't fix it.

Yes you can, at the start of the match no letting anyone see the team composition (ranks, classes etc)

Wouldn't matter. You would get whole teams that decide to pub on one day to go one team (My team is completely guilty of this).

Also people go join the winning team the next match all the time, regardless of them looking at team composition. Ranks do not mean skill, it just tells you how long they have been playing.

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Tue May 01, 2012 4:06 pm

ShawnJr

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:21 pm
Posts: 980

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

why do people teamstack in tribes?

rank in this game usually corresponds to how useful a player will be. i'll explain how. if someone is high ranked, they likely have their unlocks. an engineer with thumper (pretty much a straight up upgrade in close combat), fast repair perks, and their own playtime experience is going to be lot more useful than a newbie who just started out with basic gun and unupgraded repair tool.

more importantly, winning is directly related to the XP you get. unlocking/upgrading weapons/perks costs lots of XP, so i need all the XP i can.

why would i, or anyone else, purposely go to a losing team and (a) probably get their ass handed by a stacked team (b) lose the game (c) lose the extra amount of XP they could be getting. obviously, some people won't care or they're super duper nice to stack team but for the vast majority stacking IS the logical choice. it's our XP and we need it NOW!

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Tue May 01, 2012 4:13 pm

ShawnJr

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:21 pm
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Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Jeradox wrote:

I like a lot of your points, I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the cost of weapons.

Although I think they are a LITTLE bit more pricy, then in other FPS games, yes the weapons are cheaper. I don't know many free FPS games the only other one I have experiance with is Combat Arms which was a cheatfest. But that's another issue.

I also play TF2. This game has TF2 feel in so many sense. Anyhow, the weapons there are 5000x times cheaper than here.

You can go premium for less than a dollar :lol:

You find (find as in they'll automatically be given to you by the system) random 10-12 weapons for 10 hours or so time you play each week.

You still don't have the weapon you want? No problem, use the weapons you have, follow the recipe (which are fair btw) and craft the one you want.

You say the recipe is too expensive? Well go ahead and trade. Every normal weapon can be traded for at maximum 2 random weapons (except when a new weapon comes out...high demand at that time but over a course of 2-4 weeks it'll be back to normal.

You can also find other "expensive" items such as paints, tools, hats, misc. You can trade those for TONS of weapons. The cheapest hat you find can be traded for 15-18 weapons ease.

You can also "idle" your account. There are servers made for that purpose :lol:

Oh and Valve doesn't mind that.

(almost) nobody over there uses TF2 Store to buy weapons. trading or crafting or waiting for it to drop is a much better choice.

there are people who do buy cosmetics off the store. more importantly, tons of people buy keys from the store. it doesn't effect gameplay what so ever and Valve makes TONS of profit from it. they posted the $ they made from TF2 somewhere....it's like money is raining.

Lastly, the "unlocks" are (almost) always a sidegrade.

obviously T:A won't have flexible system...and i don't blame them...but 100000000000000000 (i forgot how many 0's follow after that 1) to unlock a single bloody weapon is just...nuts.

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Tue May 01, 2012 4:30 pm

Vinson

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:15 pm
Posts: 231

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

as a VIP I just gained 100,000 XP in 30 hours of playing. As someone who enjoys FPS games, I expect to play this game for a year or 2 at least. Thats millions of XP having spent only 10 bucks, and getting everything I want no problem. If you want it faster pay for it. This game is free to play, and your post sounds like a whole lot of QQ.

As for the SMG's, etc - I agree on the soldier - the spinfusor is iconic and it was a very poor decision to start him with a thumper and no spinfusor, but the thumper is a lot easier to use for newbies, as is the AR vs the Eagle.

Otherwise, while the bullets do hurt, I continue to remain adamant that for the most part, they are just fine. The only exception being the soldiers AR and Eagle, both of which need a buff to be in line with the raiders NJ4 and to give the soldier better chasing capacity. The Juggernaught was a poor choice for a chaingun given his already impressive arsenal, but I'm sure many would disagree on this point.

Every game suffers from teamstacking, it is dissappointing that HiRez has failed to address this by being innovative, but really, its no different than any other game, and at least stacked games end quickly and I still have been fortunate to get at least 3 good matches everyday.

if you hit a server with a voicechat group pwning newbs by chance, I recommend leaving and rejoining the server Que if you experience continued stacking, odds are you will join a new set of players and things will improve.

The game could use tweaking. I wish Hirez was more visible in addressing prime and repeat concerns, but to say the game is in a deplorable state - well, if that was the case, the HiRez must be really dumb, because they're about to lose a bunch of money and a great game and all their players - in which case they would be addressing these so called concerns much more heavily. Obviously ppl are paying and playing and enjoying the game, and have been for months.

Just look at how many people drop 10 bucks for a skin. A skin.

Cant be all that bad.

Tue May 01, 2012 5:24 pm

Fingon

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm
Posts: 1468

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Yesterday I got 1 badge + about 10/8 hours of play or something. got me 35k xp. Note that I do have VIP.

There's a point you just need to start playing with a lot of friends and don't even bother with farming xp in any sense. Only then will you be pleasantly Surprised by how much you have acquired during your playtime.

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Wed May 02, 2012 5:41 am

lastfatality09

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:21 pm
Posts: 110

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

Fingon wrote:

I understand that very well, but I still think the gold prices for weapons are ridiculous, I don't feel like wasting 10€ just for an in-game weapon plus i still need to upgrade it with EXP

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Wed May 02, 2012 8:50 am

AwwThatsTooBad

Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:43 pm
Posts: 712

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

I can't take stacking claim seriously when people base it upon rank. Partly because for every thread like it one exists stating rank does not reflect ones skill.

which is it? can't have both.

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I am looking to learn top secret ninja hold-down-fire-button auto spamming skill tactics so I can play in the 35-50 kiddie pool.

I am higher rank than all of you, therefore, I am obviously better than all of you.

Wed May 02, 2012 11:16 am

Diknak

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:28 pm
Posts: 553

Re: The game is in a deplorable state

AwwThatsTooBad wrote:

I can't take stacking claim seriously when people base it upon rank. Partly because for every thread like it one exists stating rank does not reflect ones skill.

which is it? can't have both.

Rank signifies time played. In a skill based game, there is a positive correlation between time spent playing and growth of skill.

So that concludes that while rank != skill, there is a valid generalization that higher ranks will typically be better.

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Wed May 02, 2012 11:47 am

Fingon

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:55 pm
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Re: The game is in a deplorable state

lastfatality09 wrote:

Fingon wrote:

I understand that very well, but I still think the gold prices for weapons are ridiculous, I don't feel like wasting 10€ just for an in-game weapon plus i still need to upgrade it with EXP

I misunderstood you then, I agree. 10 Dollar for a weapon is Ridiculous. The packs are better though.

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Fingon's montages
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Wed May 02, 2012 1:37 pm

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