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Doenerkalle Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:25 am Posts: 63	[Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper I know threads about Plasma Gun are getting a bit spammy, but i wanted to make an own thread to quickly show forum users what the discussion is all about. Watching this i thought Hi-Rez should not only nerf the Plasma's hit radius but also buff Thumpers hit radius a bit. What do you think? It looks like it's worse than the disc's... Splash Radius is smaller than the thumper's and disc's, you can judge it by the light's shadow. _________________ Team Hindsight / .ger Defense Last edited by Doenerkalle on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:31 am

SonicSilence Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:14 am Posts: 545	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:37 am

SFJake Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:11 pm Posts: 381	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper You know, the plasma projectile -is- a bit bigger so it deserves a slightly bigger radius (though its probably a bit TOO big), because heck, I thought that was the point of the weapon, to hit in the air. It just needs quite a few (if not a lot) nerfs in numbers. Same as the thumper, its a smaller projectile as spinfusor and its supposed to have a smaller hitbox... _________________ http://sfjake.zxq.net
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:37 am

Ixiterra Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:09 am Posts: 336	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper part of the fun with the plasma gun was the huge AOE but it didn't kill lights in 2 hits in t1 probably 4 assuming they still had their health kit but hi-rez is big on 1hk and 2hk weapons because that's what cod fans want when they aren't using pew pew anyway, prob leave as is I'd say drop the damage to 300 on a direct, but still high for indirect like 200 (but that would be out of whack with the silly 550 vs 770 of the ldl) hell just fix splash damage first before introducing more splash weapons, but that seems to be at priority # 100 million edit: after testing it in practice, the projectile also has a very long range which it did not in t1, it would disappear after like 50ft tops, and it travels quite fast. both of these things should probably be nerfed too Last edited by Ixiterra on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:39 am

Rimoha Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:07 am Posts: 291 Location: near Venice	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper Doenerkalle wrote: What the... _________________ Please support the cause for better CTF PUB games! IGN: h4ppyj3d1 \| EU servers \| I'll gladly switch nickname with something better if it'll be possible but, I can't stand spending gold for something like this.
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:47 am

Doenerkalle Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:25 am Posts: 63	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper SonicSilence wrote: Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius you were right with your guess, updated in OP. _________________ Team Hindsight / .ger Defense
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 am

caaok Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:55 pm Posts: 1110	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper Ixiterra wrote: part of the fun with the plasma gun was the huge AOE but it didn't kill lights in 2 hits in t1 probably 4 assuming they still had their health kit I remember the AOE being smaller and the projectile speed being slower, in exchange for more damage, a faster ROF, and the ability to kill base assets more quickly. The AOE in the old games was NOTHING like it is now, especially with the massive MA hitbox. As for the damage, all weapons have been upped in damage in that fashion. _________________ What we lose with hitscan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XevsFIitY
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:58 am

SonicSilence Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:14 am Posts: 545	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper Doenerkalle wrote: SonicSilence wrote: Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius you were right with your guess, updated in OP. This begs the question on how much exactly we need to nerf the direct hit hitbox. It already does less damage than other explosives and has the smallest splash radius out of all the explosives in addition to having the least knockback. If we nerf the direct hitbox to be more in line with the spinfusor, will the gun then be too weak compared to, say, an automatic? I'd be curious to see what the current DPS is for the plasma gun compared to other weapons
Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:00 pm

Gorthaur Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:54 pm Posts: 295	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper Nice video. Really messed up how even when your reticle is red you miss the shot with spinfusor and thumper. It's amazing how hard it is to hit that guy with thumper!
Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:01 pm

Ixiterra Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:09 am Posts: 336	Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper caaok wrote: I remember the AOE being smaller and the projectile speed being slower, in exchange for more damage, a faster ROF, and the ability to kill base assets more quickly. The AOE in the old games was NOTHING like it is now, especially with the massive MA hitbox. As for the damage, all weapons have been upped in damage in that fashion. that "massive ma hitbox" is only massive because it travels so fast. the radius on the t1 pg was huge. although I guess it's different because the splash damage is very big, the projectile perhaps not so much. but come the F on the plasma gun was like the anti-base rape weapon extraordinaire. they've turned it into an open field menace. whatever, not ever gonna be t1, never going to fix issues that anyone cares about, hirez is only going for the gold I want to enjoy this game so badly, but every patch seems to bring new trash without addressing concerns that would benefit everyone (LIKE DISC JUMPING)
Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:41 pm

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Doenerkalle

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[Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

I know threads about Plasma Gun are getting a bit spammy, but i wanted to make an own thread to quickly show forum users what the discussion is all about.

Watching this i thought Hi-Rez should not only nerf the Plasma's hit radius but also buff Thumpers hit radius a bit. What do you think? It looks like it's worse than the disc's...

Splash Radius is smaller than the thumper's and disc's, you can judge it by the light's shadow.

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Last edited by Doenerkalle on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 am, edited 1 time in total.

Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:31 am

SonicSilence

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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius

Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:37 am

SFJake

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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

You know, the plasma projectile -is- a bit bigger so it deserves a slightly bigger radius (though its probably a bit TOO big), because heck, I thought that was the point of the weapon, to hit in the air. It just needs quite a few (if not a lot) nerfs in numbers.

Same as the thumper, its a smaller projectile as spinfusor and its supposed to have a smaller hitbox...

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:37 am

Ixiterra

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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

part of the fun with the plasma gun was the huge AOE
but it didn't kill lights in 2 hits in t1
probably 4 assuming they still had their health kit

but hi-rez is big on 1hk and 2hk weapons because that's what cod fans want when they aren't using pew pew

anyway, prob leave as is I'd say drop the damage to 300 on a direct, but still high for indirect like 200 (but that would be out of whack with the silly 550 vs 770 of the ldl)

hell just fix splash damage first before introducing more splash weapons, but that seems to be at priority # 100 million

edit: after testing it in practice, the projectile also has a very long range which it did not in t1, it would disappear after like 50ft tops, and it travels quite fast. both of these things should probably be nerfed too

Last edited by Ixiterra on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:48 am, edited 1 time in total.

Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:39 am

Rimoha

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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

Doenerkalle wrote:

What the...

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:47 am

Doenerkalle

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:25 am
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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

SonicSilence wrote:

Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius

you were right with your guess, updated in OP.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 am

caaok

Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:55 pm
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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

Ixiterra wrote:

part of the fun with the plasma gun was the huge AOE
but it didn't kill lights in 2 hits in t1
probably 4 assuming they still had their health kit

I remember the AOE being smaller and the projectile speed being slower, in exchange for more damage, a faster ROF, and the ability to kill base assets more quickly. The AOE in the old games was NOTHING like it is now, especially with the massive MA hitbox.

As for the damage, all weapons have been upped in damage in that fashion.

_________________
What we lose with hitscan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XevsFIitY

Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:58 am

SonicSilence

Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:14 am
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Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

Doenerkalle wrote:

SonicSilence wrote:

Could you also do an explosion radius test? I'm curious to see if the plasma gun has a larger direct hit radius but a smaller splash radius

you were right with your guess, updated in OP.

This begs the question on how much exactly we need to nerf the direct hit hitbox. It already does less damage than other explosives and has the smallest splash radius out of all the explosives in addition to having the least knockback.

If we nerf the direct hitbox to be more in line with the spinfusor, will the gun then be too weak compared to, say, an automatic? I'd be curious to see what the current DPS is for the plasma gun compared to other weapons

Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:00 pm

Gorthaur

Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:54 pm
Posts: 295

Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

Nice video. Really messed up how even when your reticle is red you miss the shot with spinfusor and thumper. It's amazing how hard it is to hit that guy with thumper!

Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:01 pm

Ixiterra

Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:09 am
Posts: 336

Re: [Video] Comparison: hit radius of plasma/disc/thumper

caaok wrote:

that "massive ma hitbox" is only massive because it travels so fast. the radius on the t1 pg was huge.

although I guess it's different because the splash damage is very big, the projectile perhaps not so much.

but come the F on the plasma gun was like the anti-base rape weapon extraordinaire. they've turned it into an open field menace.

whatever, not ever gonna be t1, never going to fix issues that anyone cares about, hirez is only going for the gold

I want to enjoy this game so badly, but every patch seems to bring new trash without addressing concerns that would benefit everyone (LIKE DISC JUMPING)

Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:41 pm

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