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Bitralon Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:45 am Posts: 763	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Nothing new, rifles are still boring and lame. Used them, not the best (suck some days, shred some days). What's awesome about being pelted across a large area with sprayed bullets? Nothing. I'd much rather play Spinfusor/projectile weapon matches... Unfortunately custom servers can't lock out automatics... So either I stay in the game and watch all the fun go out the window, or I get to close the game and still watch the fun go out.
Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 pm

Beeman1991 Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am Posts: 6301 Location: British Columbia Steam Gamer Name: beeman1991	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Tyger255 wrote: 207 pages, thats pages not post, plus a long thread with poll on how the players feel autos need work that is http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=68854&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I would love to see some real replys from Hi Rez on these topics. Its clear the player base feels work is needed. Their have been a lot of replys with posable fixes to the problems that have been very well thought out an would work. Will something ever be done? 207 pages of arguing Which means there's 2 sides And while there's a lot of people against autos being the way they are, a good chunk of that is based off of blatant misinformation As well, we went over why that poll is biased back when it was started Can we stop grouping everyone up and pretending we're all entirely in agreement on this? Cuz quite frankly your post is obnoxious And this is coming from someone who sits in here and goes over the same arguments with different people over and over again _________________ HELP HIREZDUKE TAKE HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE AS SUPREME DICTATOR GA2
Tue May 15, 2012 12:57 am

PubFiction Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:22 am Posts: 992	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay NotSoCoolJ wrote: Technically, everyone that thinks chainguns are OP should use them exclusively. Turning our noses isn't going to get anything done. We need to show the community just how OP they are at the point of a bullet. This is true, It is funny how many people play this game in a religous manor, like there is some right and wrong and if you use a chaingun you are going to temple ruins or something. When ever I use a chain gun to shred people up I hear nothing but crying, then I ask why arent you using it? And the answers that come are many. I don't find it fun, it takes no skill, etc... But the truth is no one is going to ever notice your chaingun arguement when projectile explosives are doing 70% of the killing. I also cannot help but think some people have sour grapes. alot of the really useful autos are unlocks that are expensive and maybe they just hope that peer presure will stop others from using those against them. For me personally I dont care. I look at things realistically and say HiRez is probably never going to nerf autos to any significant degree so I might as well get used to raping with them. I might as well build the tracking skills to pull it off. And if they ever do nerf it, when I will retrain myself. But most people do not fall in that catagory. Most people either use them and now have learned to like them through use and defend them, or hate them and do not use them because they somehow think a boycotte is going to get the attention of HiRez. And I also hear everyone waiting for custom server flags to disable them. But I never see large groups of people just raping with them. This means one of 2 things, either they are not really OP or that useful, or people who hate them are really nieve enough to think that they can rally enough support by pretending they do not exist.
Tue May 15, 2012 3:33 am

ArMyoF1nE Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:33 am Posts: 156	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay PubFiction wrote: NotSoCoolJ wrote: Technically, everyone that thinks chainguns are OP should use them exclusively. Turning our noses isn't going to get anything done. We need to show the community just how OP they are at the point of a bullet. This is true, It is funny how many people play this game in a religous manor, like there is some right and wrong and if you use a chaingun you are going to temple ruins or something. When ever I use a chain gun to shred people up I hear nothing but crying, then I ask why arent you using it? And the answers that come are many. I don't find it fun, it takes no skill, etc... But the truth is no one is going to ever notice your chaingun arguement when projectile explosives are doing 70% of the killing. I also cannot help but think some people have sour grapes. alot of the really useful autos are unlocks that are expensive and maybe they just hope that peer presure will stop others from using those against them. For me personally I dont care. I look at things realistically and say HiRez is probably never going to nerf autos to any significant degree so I might as well get used to raping with them. I might as well build the tracking skills to pull it off. And if they ever do nerf it, when I will retrain myself. But most people do not fall in that catagory. Most people either use them and now have learned to like them through use and defend them, or hate them and do not use them because they somehow think a boycotte is going to get the attention of HiRez. And I also hear everyone waiting for custom server flags to disable them. But I never see large groups of people just raping with them. This means one of 2 things, either they are not really OP or that useful, or people who hate them are really nieve enough to think that they can rally enough support by pretending they do not exist. LOL... anything can be done, Always!!!!! Most hardcore oldschool tribes players are against the advent of COD/BF weaponry(when it comes down to it, these smgs/pistols/machine guns are just not part of the tribes universe) Tribes used to be about brutal dueling, close quarters combat, not this cowardly cat and mouse crap that these smgs/pistols/machine guns introduce(That is also including the auto heal function as part of the problem)Melee has been almost wiped out as completely worthless unless you are a infiltrator where you can get up and get it done. Air dueling is almost non-existant due to lack in jets(and each subclass has certain differences even though its the same armor class... pfff) Projectile weapons that are as they are not a tribes canon weapon, and alot of oldschoolers wont play... not only because its not part of the tribes universe... but if they wanted that, they would go play BF/COD which do it a helluva lot better, lol _________________ Tribes Purist Make this a game of its own, Don't clone other crap - Remove regen, bring back health kits - Buff explosive jumping - Remove all Autos and pistols - Bring back "Tribal Warfare"
Tue May 15, 2012 11:39 am

Entropy Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:00 am Posts: 292 Steam Gamer Name: sianmink	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay ArMyoF1nE wrote: Tribes used to be about brutal dueling, close quarters combat, not this cowardly cat and mouse crap that these smgs/pistols/machine guns introduce(That is also including the auto heal function as part of the problem) Imagine a mod where you could only heal using medpacks (you get 1 whenever you hit an inventory station, 1 with an ammo drop if you've used yours) and the changes in gameplay that would cause. I'm getting all tingly.
Tue May 15, 2012 1:01 pm

Beeman1991 Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am Posts: 6301 Location: British Columbia Steam Gamer Name: beeman1991	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Entropy wrote: ArMyoF1nE wrote: Tribes used to be about brutal dueling, close quarters combat, not this cowardly cat and mouse crap that these smgs/pistols/machine guns introduce(That is also including the auto heal function as part of the problem) Imagine a mod where you could only heal using medpacks (you get 1 whenever you hit an inventory station, 1 with an ammo drop if you've used yours) and the changes in gameplay that would cause. I'm getting all tingly. I hear only the fapping of sentinels _________________ HELP HIREZDUKE TAKE HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE AS SUPREME DICTATOR GA2
Tue May 15, 2012 3:18 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay And Technicians: They're more-likely to be near inventory stations, and ambush-turrets in midfield become more powerful. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Tue May 15, 2012 3:25 pm

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Beeman1991 wrote: Tyger255 wrote: 207 pages, thats pages not post, plus a long thread with poll on how the players feel autos need work that is http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=68854&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I would love to see some real replys from Hi Rez on these topics. Its clear the player base feels work is needed. Their have been a lot of replys with posable fixes to the problems that have been very well thought out an would work. Will something ever be done? 207 pages of arguing Which means there's 2 sides And while there's a lot of people against autos being the way they are, a good chunk of that is based off of blatant misinformation As well, we went over why that poll is biased back when it was started Can we stop grouping everyone up and pretending we're all entirely in agreement on this? Cuz quite frankly your post is obnoxious And this is coming from someone who sits in here and goes over the same arguments with different people over and over again Wow...this is kinda pathetic. There's 2 sides, but if we're talking specifically this forum, you are so out-gunned it's unbelievable that you're still rooting for the auto side. Even if the poll isn't scientifically accurate, it's certainly more than accurate to point out there are problems with the autos Just hilarious. Keep waving your flag...lol... _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Tue May 15, 2012 4:37 pm

UniversalPie Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:01 pm Posts: 619 Location: GTA Ontario	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Beeman1991 wrote: 207 pages of arguing Which means there's 2 sides Its 207 pages of both random and frequent posters asking for a change to autos, countered with a whole lot of posts by you and one other guy. Two sides indeed... Two very unequal sides. _________________
Tue May 15, 2012 7:35 pm

dsiOne Joined: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:14 pm Posts: 327 Steam Gamer Name: dsi1	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Beeman1991 wrote: Tyger255 wrote: 207 pages, thats pages not post, plus a long thread with poll on how the players feel autos need work that is http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=68854&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I would love to see some real replys from Hi Rez on these topics. Its clear the player base feels work is needed. Their have been a lot of replys with posable fixes to the problems that have been very well thought out an would work. Will something ever be done? 207 pages of arguing Which means there's 2 sides And while there's a lot of people against autos being the way they are, a good chunk of that is based off of blatant misinformation As well, we went over why that poll is biased back when it was started Can we stop grouping everyone up and pretending we're all entirely in agreement on this? Cuz quite frankly your post is obnoxious And this is coming from someone who sits in here and goes over the same arguments with different people over and over again 207 pages of 'arguing' 200 pages of people telling Hi-Rez to fix the d*** game, 7 pages of two people apologizing. HOW TO MAKE AUTOS SKILLFUL, LESS GAMEY, AND MORE MODERN IN A COUPLE OF STEPS: Make bullets fall with gravity, don't make bullet drop personalized for each gun, have them follow gravity, only relying on projectile speed to make range differences. (This partially takes place of the RNG cone of fire, which would still be better than nothing if this is impossible) Lower the hitbox on ALL projectiles, and make every weapon projectile based. (except sniper rifles sadly, unless UE3 is really good at handling incredibly high velocities somehow, then go for it.) (This partially takes place of the RNG cone of fire) Those are the first two steps, and seeing how the game plays from that point should direct further advancement. (Are autos still OP? Maybe reduce damage, maybe reduce damage falloff range. Are they UP? Tweak velocities or hitbox sizes a bit) _________________ 100% Inheritance: It's 100% Intuitive and 100% Natural. \|\| Add Targeting Lasers Having to aim from a reference point that doesnt exist is not an intuitive or newbie friendly feature, and it will hurt the game in the long run
Tue May 15, 2012 7:49 pm

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Bitralon

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:45 am
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Nothing new, rifles are still boring and lame.
Used them, not the best (suck some days, shred some days).
What's awesome about being pelted across a large area with sprayed bullets? Nothing.

I'd much rather play Spinfusor/projectile weapon matches... Unfortunately custom servers can't lock out automatics... So either I stay in the game and watch all the fun go out the window, or I get to close the game and still watch the fun go out.

Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 pm

Beeman1991

Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am
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Location: British Columbia
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Tyger255 wrote:

207 pages, thats pages not post, plus a long thread with poll on how the players feel autos need work that is http://forum.hirezstudios.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=313&t=68854&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I would love to see some real replys from Hi Rez on these topics. Its clear the player base feels work is needed. Their have been a lot of replys with posable fixes to the problems that have been very well thought out an would work. Will something ever be done?

207 pages of arguing
Which means there's 2 sides
And while there's a lot of people against autos being the way they are, a good chunk of that is based off of blatant misinformation
As well, we went over why that poll is biased back when it was started
Can we stop grouping everyone up and pretending we're all entirely in agreement on this? Cuz quite frankly your post is obnoxious
And this is coming from someone who sits in here and goes over the same arguments with different people over and over again

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Tue May 15, 2012 12:57 am

PubFiction

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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

NotSoCoolJ wrote:

Technically, everyone that thinks chainguns are OP should use them exclusively. Turning our noses isn't going to get anything done. We need to show the community just how OP they are at the point of a bullet. :twisted:

This is true,

It is funny how many people play this game in a religous manor, like there is some right and wrong and if you use a chaingun you are going to temple ruins or something.

When ever I use a chain gun to shred people up I hear nothing but crying, then I ask why arent you using it? And the answers that come are many. I don't find it fun, it takes no skill, etc... But the truth is no one is going to ever notice your chaingun arguement when projectile explosives are doing 70% of the killing. I also cannot help but think some people have sour grapes. alot of the really useful autos are unlocks that are expensive and maybe they just hope that peer presure will stop others from using those against them.

For me personally I dont care. I look at things realistically and say HiRez is probably never going to nerf autos to any significant degree so I might as well get used to raping with them. I might as well build the tracking skills to pull it off. And if they ever do nerf it, when I will retrain myself. But most people do not fall in that catagory. Most people either use them and now have learned to like them through use and defend them, or hate them and do not use them because they somehow think a boycotte is going to get the attention of HiRez. And I also hear everyone waiting for custom server flags to disable them. But I never see large groups of people just raping with them. This means one of 2 things, either they are not really OP or that useful, or people who hate them are really nieve enough to think that they can rally enough support by pretending they do not exist.

Tue May 15, 2012 3:33 am

ArMyoF1nE

Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:33 am
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

PubFiction wrote:

NotSoCoolJ wrote:

LOL... anything can be done, Always!!!!! Most hardcore oldschool tribes players are against the advent of COD/BF weaponry(when it comes down to it, these smgs/pistols/machine guns are just not part of the tribes universe) Tribes used to be about brutal dueling, close quarters combat, not this cowardly cat and mouse crap that these smgs/pistols/machine guns introduce(That is also including the auto heal function as part of the problem)Melee has been almost wiped out as completely worthless unless you are a infiltrator where you can get up and get it done. Air dueling is almost non-existant due to lack in jets(and each subclass has certain differences even though its the same armor class... pfff) Projectile weapons that are as they are not a tribes canon weapon, and alot of oldschoolers wont play... not only because its not part of the tribes universe... but if they wanted that, they would go play BF/COD which do it a helluva lot better, lol

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Make this a game of its own, Don't clone other crap
- Remove regen, bring back health kits
- Buff explosive jumping
- Remove all Autos and pistols
- Bring back "Tribal Warfare"

Tue May 15, 2012 11:39 am

Entropy

Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:00 am
Posts: 292
Steam Gamer Name: sianmink

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

ArMyoF1nE wrote:

Tribes used to be about brutal dueling, close quarters combat, not this cowardly cat and mouse crap that these smgs/pistols/machine guns introduce(That is also including the auto heal function as part of the problem)

Imagine a mod where you could only heal using medpacks (you get 1 whenever you hit an inventory station, 1 with an ammo drop if you've used yours) and the changes in gameplay that would cause. I'm getting all tingly.

Tue May 15, 2012 1:01 pm

Beeman1991

Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am
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Location: British Columbia
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Entropy wrote:

ArMyoF1nE wrote:

I hear only the fapping of sentinels

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Tue May 15, 2012 3:18 pm

hvcterr

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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

And Technicians: They're more-likely to be near inventory stations, and ambush-turrets in midfield become more powerful.

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Tue May 15, 2012 3:25 pm

ArchangelXv1

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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Beeman1991 wrote:

Tyger255 wrote:

Wow...this is kinda pathetic. There's 2 sides, but if we're talking specifically this forum, you are so out-gunned it's unbelievable that you're still rooting for the auto side. Even if the poll isn't scientifically accurate, it's certainly more than accurate to point out there are problems with the autos

Just hilarious. Keep waving your flag...lol...

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Tue May 15, 2012 4:37 pm

UniversalPie

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:01 pm
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Location: GTA Ontario

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Beeman1991 wrote:

207 pages of arguing
Which means there's 2 sides

Its 207 pages of both random and frequent posters asking for a change to autos, countered with a whole lot of posts by you and one other guy. Two sides indeed... Two very unequal sides.

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Tue May 15, 2012 7:35 pm

dsiOne

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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Beeman1991 wrote:

Tyger255 wrote:

207 pages of 'arguing'
200 pages of people telling Hi-Rez to fix the d*** game, 7 pages of two people apologizing.

HOW TO MAKE AUTOS SKILLFUL, LESS GAMEY, AND MORE MODERN IN A COUPLE OF STEPS:
Make bullets fall with gravity, don't make bullet drop personalized for each gun, have them follow gravity, only relying on projectile speed to make range differences. (This partially takes place of the RNG cone of fire, which would still be better than nothing if this is impossible)
Lower the hitbox on ALL projectiles, and make every weapon projectile based. (except sniper rifles sadly, unless UE3 is really good at handling incredibly high velocities somehow, then go for it.) (This partially takes place of the RNG cone of fire)

Those are the first two steps, and seeing how the game plays from that point should direct further advancement. (Are autos still OP? Maybe reduce damage, maybe reduce damage falloff range. Are they UP? Tweak velocities or hitbox sizes a bit)

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Tue May 15, 2012 7:49 pm

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