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PaRoXiTiC Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:05 am Posts: 110	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay spacefighter wrote: PaRoXiTiC wrote: +1 Nerf or remove all SMG's. Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you? It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces. SMG's are broken.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:58 pm

spacefighter Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:49 pm Posts: 128	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay PaRoXiTiC wrote: spacefighter wrote: PaRoXiTiC wrote: +1 Nerf or remove all SMG's. Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you? It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces. SMG's are broken. Yes, the falloff on the hitscan pistols is pretty aggressive, but they'll still be a better dueling weapons. In a game where players spend most their time in the air, it doesn't take much to outclass slow splash damage weapons.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:30 pm

MrLordcaptain Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:42 pm Posts: 654	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Had a nice game today playing TCN with the TCN4. God heavies melt to that thing. We need to do something against smgs obliterating heavies as they do at the moment. _________________ Remove hitscan from pistols and shotguns
Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:05 pm

IronKane Beta Tester Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm Posts: 497	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay irimi wrote: IronKane wrote: Maidere wrote: SMG's are ez to learn hard to master. Problem is - you dont need to be a master to kill average fusor user. Automatics are just absouletely better then explosives at all levers of skill. Add IronKane to your friends list and I'll show you the error of your ways in regards to spinfusors. I don't see how this proves anything one way or another, unless you consider yourself to be an "average fusor user." And assuming you're not... do you really think that if you went up against someone who was as good with a chaingun as you are with the spinfusor, you would stand a chance in an outdoor duel? You're right, I do consider myself as above average. Best there is? No. I would say I might be in the same club though. As to your question about an outdoor duel: A chance? There's a lot more to a duel than just weapon statistics. Running headlong into a SMG's range...kinda dumb. Keeping him in my spinfusors range...his death sentence. It's the player, not the gun. Put your opponent at the disadvantage and keep him there, that's how you win a duel. Most auto wielders want to come in and hose me down. I don't give him a predictable target to lock onto and the moment he touches down...bam, he's at half health and suddenly rethinking his strategy. But now it's too late because now all I need is a second hit and the first one has knocked him off balance. I give nothing but respect to someone who is good with their weapon of choice, but anyone who thinks I'm an easy kill because I'm using a spinfusor is in for a painful lesson. Also, the spinfusor is better choice when dealing with multiple opponents. Being able to dish out 50% damage in one shot is very helpful in those kinds of situations. And like I said (this thread?), look at what's being used in TDM to gauge what's a good duelling class.
Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:17 pm

Johnneh1 Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:04 am Posts: 88	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay PaRoXiTiC wrote: spacefighter wrote: PaRoXiTiC wrote: +1 Nerf or remove all SMG's. Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you? It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces. SMG's are broken. This is the main reason i play heavy, because I can kill someone in a duel 70% of the time in 2 disc's and still have 300 hp left _________________ T1 - Bypher T2 - {H} Bypher T:V - KmA_Johnneh T:A - Johnneh
Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:12 am

Papyrifer Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:20 pm Posts: 155 Location: Tampa, FL Steam Gamer Name: Twisp	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay If SMGs arent fixed soon, Im simply going to drop this game. The mechanics regarding grace weapons are so fun and interesting, so different and creative...and autos just f*** it up. So. Much. No, they dont require nearly as much skill as a grace weapon to effectively use. They hit consistently in any situation, regardless of target position, and are effective at all ranges because you both avoid self splash damage AND can fire farther more reliably. There is no "Sweet Spot", they simply destroy anything but lights and SOME very talented soldiers (due to their ability to constantly change position in the air and on the ground while maintaining a firing line on an enemy). They need to be nerfed to the point that they are SECONDARIES ONLY, filling the role of FINISHERS only used to kill severely weakened, retreating enemies (the chaingun should be an exception if only because its weight class balances it). Explosives have been and always should be the star of a tribes game. _________________ Shazbike!
Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:15 am

supern00b Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 551 Location: New Zealand	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Has this overtaken the Inhieretence thread yet? can we close this thread and restart it anew but with more condensed points? _________________ Joined: Tue 12 Jul, 2011 4:24 am Left: Wed 05 Mar, 2013 9:35 pm Posts in 2013: 1 I always edit for typos.
Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:20 am

Beeman1991 Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am Posts: 6291 Location: British Columbia Steam Gamer Name: beeman1991	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay supern00b wrote: Has this overtaken the Inhieretence thread yet? can we close this thread and restart it anew but with more condensed points? In sheer pagecount? Yes, by 9 pages In dominance of one particular side? Not even close 179 pages of pro-100% Inheritance folks verbally wrecking the opposition was fairly entertaining _________________ HELP HIREZDUKE TAKE HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE AS SUPREME DICTATOR GA2
Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:37 am

PaRoXiTiC Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:05 am Posts: 110	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay Papyrifer wrote: If SMGs arent fixed soon, Im simply going to drop this game. The mechanics regarding grace weapons are so fun and interesting, so different and creative...and autos just f*** it up. So. Much. No, they dont require nearly as much skill as a grace weapon to effectively use. They hit consistently in any situation, regardless of target position, and are effective at all ranges because you both avoid self splash damage AND can fire farther more reliably. There is no "Sweet Spot", they simply destroy anything but lights and SOME very talented soldiers (due to their ability to constantly change position in the air and on the ground while maintaining a firing line on an enemy). They need to be nerfed to the point that they are SECONDARIES ONLY, filling the role of FINISHERS only used to kill severely weakened, retreating enemies (the chaingun should be an exception if only because its weight class balances it). Explosives have been and always should be the star of a tribes game. You say they aren't good against lights? Let me give you something ot think about.... Do you notice how fast the clip gets emptied on all SMGs? Do you notice how fast 10 bullets come out the chaingun? 12 SMG bullets kill a Path and 9 Chain bullets kill a Path. You do the math. Over.... Powered
Tue May 01, 2012 12:02 am

CrissHill Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:40 pm Posts: 148	Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay The more I play the game, the more I agree that autos are ruining the game.. They're way too effective at the moment, Chainguns and SMGs completely tear opponents apart. And because of the screen tear effect you won't even get a chance to shoot back as you're basically blinded the whole time.
Tue May 01, 2012 12:13 am

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PaRoXiTiC

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:05 am
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

spacefighter wrote:

PaRoXiTiC wrote:

+1

Nerf or remove all SMG's.

Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you?

It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces.

SMG's are broken.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:58 pm

spacefighter

Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:49 pm
Posts: 128

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

PaRoXiTiC wrote:

spacefighter wrote:

PaRoXiTiC wrote:

+1

Nerf or remove all SMG's.

Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you?

It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces.

SMG's are broken.

Yes, the falloff on the hitscan pistols is pretty aggressive, but they'll still be a better dueling weapons. In a game where players spend most their time in the air, it doesn't take much to outclass slow splash damage weapons.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:30 pm

MrLordcaptain

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:42 pm
Posts: 654

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Had a nice game today playing TCN with the TCN4. God heavies melt to that thing.
We need to do something against smgs obliterating heavies as they do at the moment.

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Remove hitscan from pistols and shotguns

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:05 pm

IronKane

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Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:07 pm
Posts: 497

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

irimi wrote:

IronKane wrote:

Maidere wrote:

SMG's are ez to learn hard to master. Problem is - you dont need to be a master to kill average fusor user. Automatics are just absouletely better then explosives at all levers of skill.

Add IronKane to your friends list and I'll show you the error of your ways in regards to spinfusors.

I don't see how this proves anything one way or another, unless you consider yourself to be an "average fusor user."

And assuming you're not... do you really think that if you went up against someone who was as good with a chaingun as you are with the spinfusor, you would stand a chance in an outdoor duel?

You're right, I do consider myself as above average. Best there is? No. I would say I might be in the same club though. As to your question about an outdoor duel: A chance? There's a lot more to a duel than just weapon statistics. Running headlong into a SMG's range...kinda dumb. Keeping him in my spinfusors range...his death sentence. It's the player, not the gun. Put your opponent at the disadvantage and keep him there, that's how you win a duel.

Most auto wielders want to come in and hose me down. I don't give him a predictable target to lock onto and the moment he touches down...bam, he's at half health and suddenly rethinking his strategy. But now it's too late because now all I need is a second hit and the first one has knocked him off balance.

I give nothing but respect to someone who is good with their weapon of choice, but anyone who thinks I'm an easy kill because I'm using a spinfusor is in for a painful lesson.

Also, the spinfusor is better choice when dealing with multiple opponents. Being able to dish out 50% damage in one shot is very helpful in those kinds of situations.

And like I said (this thread?), look at what's being used in TDM to gauge what's a good duelling class.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:17 pm

Johnneh1

Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:04 am
Posts: 88

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

PaRoXiTiC wrote:

spacefighter wrote:

PaRoXiTiC wrote:

+1

Nerf or remove all SMG's.

Better remove all the pistols too while you are at it. They'll kill a pathfinder much faster than a spinfuser as well. You wouldn't want that, would you?

It takes skill to aim and shoot a pistol. It takes no skill at all to shoot a f*** warped bullet speed SMG at a medium or heavy and just chew them to pieces.

SMG's are broken.

This is the main reason i play heavy, because I can kill someone in a duel 70% of the time in 2 disc's and still have 300 hp left

_________________
T1 - Bypher
T2 - {H} Bypher
T:V - KmA_Johnneh
T:A - Johnneh

Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:12 am

Papyrifer

Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:20 pm
Posts: 155
Location: Tampa, FL
Steam Gamer Name: Twisp

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

If SMGs arent fixed soon, Im simply going to drop this game. The mechanics regarding grace weapons are so fun and interesting, so different and creative...and autos just f*** it up. So. Much.

No, they dont require nearly as much skill as a grace weapon to effectively use. They hit consistently in any situation, regardless of target position, and are effective at all ranges because you both avoid self splash damage AND can fire farther more reliably. There is no "Sweet Spot", they simply destroy anything but lights and SOME very talented soldiers (due to their ability to constantly change position in the air and on the ground while maintaining a firing line on an enemy).

They need to be nerfed to the point that they are SECONDARIES ONLY, filling the role of FINISHERS only used to kill severely weakened, retreating enemies (the chaingun should be an exception if only because its weight class balances it).

Explosives have been and always should be the star of a tribes game.

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Shazbike!

Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:15 am

supern00b

Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 am
Posts: 551
Location: New Zealand

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Has this overtaken the Inhieretence thread yet?
can we close this thread and restart it anew but with more condensed points?

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:20 am

Beeman1991

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Location: British Columbia
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Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

supern00b wrote:

Has this overtaken the Inhieretence thread yet?
can we close this thread and restart it anew but with more condensed points?

In sheer pagecount? Yes, by 9 pages
In dominance of one particular side? Not even close
179 pages of pro-100% Inheritance folks verbally wrecking the opposition was fairly entertaining

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:37 am

PaRoXiTiC

Joined: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:05 am
Posts: 110

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

Papyrifer wrote:

You say they aren't good against lights? Let me give you something ot think about.... Do you notice how fast the clip gets emptied on all SMGs? Do you notice how fast 10 bullets come out the chaingun?

12 SMG bullets kill a Path and 9 Chain bullets kill a Path.

You do the math.

Over.... Powered

Tue May 01, 2012 12:02 am

CrissHill

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:40 pm
Posts: 148

Re: Machine guns are destroying good gameplay

The more I play the game, the more I agree that autos are ruining the game.. They're way too effective at the moment, Chainguns and SMGs completely tear opponents apart. And because of the screen tear effect you won't even get a chance to shoot back as you're basically blinded the whole time.

Tue May 01, 2012 12:13 am

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