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PinkLemonade Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:23 am Posts: 102	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP blackchimes wrote: This thread is still going? There are limits to optimism you know I'm still hoping... HiRezDuke wrote: PinkLemonade wrote: I wasn't really expecting the physics to get fixed/modified before the game is released, but watching this YouTube clip I was wondering, Duke, how hard would it be to implement various physics parameters (e.g., air drag, gravity, skiing friction, velocity speed cap...) as Custom Server settings? Add a new tab along Time Settings, Score Settings, Player Settings and call it Physics Settings. That would give total freedom to all of the people that are claiming that the game is currently broken to modify the game. Exposing these parameters will transform the game the same way T2C transformed T2. I can't really answer those questions. I will forward it along, though. I will say that I've heard many discussions related to exactly what you're asking.
Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:08 pm

AustinNH Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:07 am Posts: 83	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP If I understand correctly, T2c has partial inheritance on some weapons as well as some jetpack speed caps, both of which are unintuitive. I would rather have 100% inheritance and no jetpack speed caps (drag can accomplish the same thing in an intuitive way). That is why I do not want to just reproduce T2c. _________________ 100% Inheritance! Pretty Please?
Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:45 pm

RootbeerAlamode Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:01 pm Posts: 1538 Steam Gamer Name: D-Hearts	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP AustinNH wrote: If I understand correctly, T2c has partial inheritance on some weapons as well as some jetpack speed caps, both of which are unintuitive. I would rather have 100% inheritance and no jetpack speed caps (drag can accomplish the same thing in an intuitive way). That is why I do not want to just reproduce T2c. Read back a bit, it does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward. _________________ 100% Inheritance, 100% Intuitive. Inheritance Demonstration [video] Tips for Aiming with 100% [video]
Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:14 pm

hvcterr Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:41 am Posts: 1567	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP As opposed to T:A, where jetting away from your direction of movement makes you rise faster. _________________ Did you know you can disable annoying signatures? Look under Board Preferences >> Edit Display Options.
Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:24 pm

AustinNH Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:07 am Posts: 83	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP RootbeerAlamode wrote: AustinNH wrote: If I understand correctly, T2c has partial inheritance on some weapons as well as some jetpack speed caps, both of which are unintuitive. I would rather have 100% inheritance and no jetpack speed caps (drag can accomplish the same thing in an intuitive way). That is why I do not want to just reproduce T2c. Read back a bit, it does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward. Yes, and I would prefer something more realistic/intuitive that would achieve a similar effect on gameplay. Air drag. No reason a guy with a jetpack shouldn't be able to direct it horizontally if he wants to. T:A doesn't have to mimic T2c physics. There is room to improve and make a better game. _________________ 100% Inheritance! Pretty Please?
Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Schottingham Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:07 pm Posts: 644	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP AustinNH wrote: T:A doesn't have to mimic T2c physics. There is room to improve and make a better game. I make a lot of posts pointing out how T:A is not like T2c, but I want to be clear that I don't necessarily just want T2c physics back. I want something intuitive and fun, and I think a mostly realistic physics model would fit that bill just fine. _________________ - Fix Jetpack Physics (video) (video) - Remove regen, bring back health kits - Buff explosive jumping - 100% inheritance for "bullet" weapons (nova blaster included)
Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:33 pm

blecro Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 pm Posts: 192	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP AustinNH wrote: RootbeerAlamode wrote: [T1/T2c] does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward. Yes, and I would prefer something more realistic/intuitive that would achieve a similar effect on gameplay. Air drag. No reason a guy with a jetpack shouldn't be able to direct it horizontally if he wants to. You can easily modify T2c to do this as I described here. You can even change maxJetHorizontalPercentage to 1 to make directed jetting purely horizontal. I think you'll find that it doesn't feel as good as you'd expect. The main issue is that you can speed up too much just by jetting horizontally. Adding drag only decreases overall speeds. What you really want is to require skiing or disk jumping to go fast, which is exactly what T1/T2c's special jetting adjustment does.
Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:36 pm

WerTicus Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:39 am Posts: 2620	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP AustinNH wrote: Just to clarify: is the goal to make this like T1/T2, or to make intuitive, realistic, and fun physics? These are actually the same goals _________________ "The simple fact is that all the time and money and skill poured into consumer research on the new Coca-Cola could not measure or reveal the deep and abiding emotional attachment to original Coca-Cola felt by so many people."
Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:34 am

MrHellraisr Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:48 pm Posts: 64	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP i can't believe they haven't addressed any of this s*** yet
Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:49 am

root Joined: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:30 pm Posts: 856	Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP hey physics
Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:02 am

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PinkLemonade

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

blackchimes wrote:

This thread is still going?

There are limits to optimism you know

I'm still hoping...

HiRezDuke wrote:

PinkLemonade wrote:

I wasn't really expecting the physics to get fixed/modified before the game is released, but watching this YouTube clip I was wondering, Duke, how hard would it be to implement various physics parameters (e.g., air drag, gravity, skiing friction, velocity speed cap...) as Custom Server settings? Add a new tab along Time Settings, Score Settings, Player Settings and call it Physics Settings.
That would give total freedom to all of the people that are claiming that the game is currently broken to modify the game.
Exposing these parameters will transform the game the same way T2C transformed T2.

I can't really answer those questions.

I will forward it along, though. I will say that I've heard many discussions related to exactly what you're asking.

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:08 pm

AustinNH

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

If I understand correctly, T2c has partial inheritance on some weapons as well as some jetpack speed caps, both of which are unintuitive. I would rather have 100% inheritance and no jetpack speed caps (drag can accomplish the same thing in an intuitive way). That is why I do not want to just reproduce T2c.

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:45 pm

RootbeerAlamode

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

AustinNH wrote:

Read back a bit, it does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward.

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:14 pm

hvcterr

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

As opposed to T:A, where jetting away from your direction of movement makes you rise faster.

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:24 pm

AustinNH

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

RootbeerAlamode wrote:

AustinNH wrote:

Read back a bit, it does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward.

Yes, and I would prefer something more realistic/intuitive that would achieve a similar effect on gameplay. Air drag.

No reason a guy with a jetpack shouldn't be able to direct it horizontally if he wants to.

T:A doesn't have to mimic T2c physics. There is room to improve and make a better game.

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100% Inheritance! Pretty Please?

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Schottingham

Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:07 pm
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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

AustinNH wrote:

T:A doesn't have to mimic T2c physics. There is room to improve and make a better game.

I make a lot of posts pointing out how T:A is not like T2c, but I want to be clear that I don't necessarily just want T2c physics back. I want something intuitive and fun, and I think a mostly realistic physics model would fit that bill just fine.

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- Fix Jetpack Physics (video) (video)
- Remove regen, bring back health kits
- Buff explosive jumping
- 100% inheritance for "bullet" weapons (nova blaster included)

Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:33 pm

blecro

Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 pm
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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

AustinNH wrote:

RootbeerAlamode wrote:

[T1/T2c] does cap horizontal jet thrust, but the thrust doesn't magically disappear, it just gets redirected upward.

You can easily modify T2c to do this as I described here. You can even change maxJetHorizontalPercentage to 1 to make directed jetting purely horizontal. I think you'll find that it doesn't feel as good as you'd expect. The main issue is that you can speed up too much just by jetting horizontally. Adding drag only decreases overall speeds. What you really want is to require skiing or disk jumping to go fast, which is exactly what T1/T2c's special jetting adjustment does.

Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:36 pm

WerTicus

Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:39 am
Posts: 2620

Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

AustinNH wrote:

Just to clarify: is the goal to make this like T1/T2, or to make intuitive, realistic, and fun physics?

These are actually the same goals

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Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:34 am

MrHellraisr

Joined: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:48 pm
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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

i can't believe they haven't addressed any of this s*** yet

Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:49 am

root

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Re: please address the many CORE PHYSICS ISSUES ASAP

hey physics

Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:02 am

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