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SmoothP Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am Posts: 1584	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez Spiffmeister wrote: Nice work SmoothP, let's hope they actually listen. I do agree somewhat with Mabeline though, there are already too many double up guns (infil smg, tech smg, ar) Why can't the AR S/M/L just be something like an automatic pistol/smg/ar. The SMG and AR are completely different guns in L2.0, they aren't just minor variations of each other. The AR fires small projectiles with high velocity, low damage, and long range. It's excellent for chases / long range duels, but lacks the stopping power for in your face brawling. The shotgun can shred face in close quarters due to its large, high damage, low velocity projectiles, but has little range. The SMG is the "all rounder", with medium velocity, medium damage, and medium range. And bigger versions of a plasma weapon don't change damage per shot, cyclic rate, or projectile speed, they just let you fire longer. You can think of plasma weapons as having magazines that slowly refill themselves, with heavier versions refilling themselves faster. Upsizing a particular weapon in L2.0 doesn't make it a whole new gun, it just gives the weapon a slight boost. P.S. I'd be totally fine with getting rid of the SMG... but somehow I don't think Hi-Rez would be. _________________ Give a man a pistol, and he'll play for a day... Teach a man to disc, and he'll stay devoted forever. Loadouts 2.0 - Directional Jets - True Inheritance - Cosine Splash - Active Regen - Abolish Credits
Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:36 pm

Negri Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:46 am Posts: 7	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez I support this absolutely and would love playing this class: Marauder Heavy Armor Spinfusor (L) Thumper (M) Shotgun (S) Shield Pack (L) Frag Grenades (S) Duties Base defence Generator assault Killing everybody
Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:37 pm

loveundermytail Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:29 am Posts: 54	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez I wish HiRez would even grace us with their presence. I feel like they come down from their golden mountain top just to say pointless one liners all the time. _________________ Kim Jon Il will be missed. The same can't be said for Tribes: Ascend if it doesn't have properly balanced classes. December 15th Fishpatch Ahoy! December 21st HitScan's Revenge! December 28th 50% Inheritance! January 6th Techpatch Doom!
Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:22 pm

iHaTehNameGame Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:35 pm Posts: 1043 Location: San Francisco, CA Steam Gamer Name: Ignorance	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez loveundermytail wrote: I wish HiRez would even grace us with their presence. I feel like they come down from their golden mountain top just to say pointless one liners all the time. They do listen, you just need a big enough fish for them to respond... _________________ <An open attempt at an FPSZ> <Getting the Most Out of the Jetpack Video Series>
Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:54 pm

shazmybot Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:17 pm Posts: 53	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez God, if only we were in some kind of pre-launch phase where the developers could respond to feedback from players. Some kind of "closed" event where we could preform tests on mechanics and ideas. Maybe that "closed" event could even have some player-suggested mechanics as well. Hang on, I think I might be on to something big here.
Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:36 pm

ri0tc0re Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:43 pm Posts: 1	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez +Support. The only downside I see to this is that a lot of players have put money into the game, and rolling back VIP time and gold would probably take a lot of time. Still, it'd be well worth it in my opinion. I wouldn't mind starting over completely for this system. Also: Iron Wall Heavy Armor Repair Gun (XL) SMG (S) Shield Pack (S) Force Field (M, x2) Duties Put up a lot of annoying force fields and keep them maintained.
Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:21 pm

slayer105 Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:16 pm Posts: 62	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez I do not agree with the current class system, perk/skill tree system as it is, right now. But this.....this sounds like were getting somewhere. +1
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:39 pm

VashTHT Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm Posts: 1104	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez +1 it's not perfect, but I think it's on the path to something amazing. _________________ AsuraPhoenix wrote: blackwhiskers wrote: regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you. No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others. No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:56 pm

SmoothP Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am Posts: 1584	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez TheEschaton wrote: It should be taken as a sign that, given how much SmoothP and I disagree on some things, I don't think he's that far off on this. Whether Loadouts 2.0 is the way to go or some other system of customization is chosen really doesn't matter - the point is that this community's discussion keeps returning to the concept of customizable loadouts because not having it is a step back in terms of putting emergent power into the hands of the players, AND from where we are standing it seems like customizable loadouts would actually MAKE HiRez more money. Hey, we could be wrong, but I don't think so. Hey, man, we only really disagree on health regen. Quote: There are some questions I have concerning Loadouts 2.0 for ya, though SmoothP - although to be honest I'll just say right now that it's mostly to keep this topic bumped at the top of the stack for as long as possible; these are just quibbles: 1. If HiRez has players pay for weapon size, then doesn't that make this a "pay to win" system? I mean, the other option would be to pay OR earn through experience, but then this system makes my Tribes into something that too closely resembles an RPG for my liking (I'm all for RPGs in general, but not when I want everyone to be able to compete on the same level. Such a game should not rely on players grinding over long periods of time; it's apt to induce frustration). Because of the weight limits, every loadout would be theoretically balanced, but different loadouts would be better in certain situations than others. And it would be no more P2W than the current system. Having more loadouts, items, and custom slots unlocked would give you more flexibility to do different things, but you'd still only be doing one thing at at time. Quote: 2. The energy packs are doing regen instead of adding to the pool - is that how it was in T1 and T2, or did you change their mechanics to avoid their abuse with the Phase rifle? I honestly don't remember how it was right now, but I'm remembering that they gave you a little of both in the previous games? The old energy packs affected regen. Or else they would only give a small befenit unless you were using energy really slowly and letting it top off. This means that energy packs increase your effective RoF with energy weapons, but it also means you're giving up other potential advantages. Quote: 3. Reusing models for weapons with different stats is a little worrying, because one generally relies on the visual appearance/behavior of an item in a game to understand how to counter it when it is in the hands of the enemy. This system could therefore conceivably result in a reduction of skill from the game, because it wouldn't be possible to "know" the enemy as well as before. Clever use of skins/minor model/animation changes could pretty much solve this. I'm reminded of Borderlands handled this sort of proliferation. Schottingham suggested different color schemes on the weapon weights, this is a great idea, and would work across the different weps. Something along the lines of S = black / green, M = black / yellow, L = black / red would be great, and if done well could even more visible than different models. _________________ Give a man a pistol, and he'll play for a day... Teach a man to disc, and he'll stay devoted forever. Loadouts 2.0 - Directional Jets - True Inheritance - Cosine Splash - Active Regen - Abolish Credits
Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:43 pm

raptorak Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am Posts: 1271	Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez Rarely would I give my 100% support for anyone's ideas other than my own, however, given that my head is full of cotton wool, I support SmoothP for president of Hi-Rez.
Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:03 pm

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SmoothP

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am
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Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

Spiffmeister wrote:

Nice work SmoothP, let's hope they actually listen.

I do agree somewhat with Mabeline though, there are already too many double up guns (infil smg, tech smg, ar) Why can't the AR S/M/L just be something like an automatic pistol/smg/ar.

The SMG and AR are completely different guns in L2.0, they aren't just minor variations of each other.

The AR fires small projectiles with high velocity, low damage, and long range. It's excellent for chases / long range duels, but lacks the stopping power for in your face brawling. The shotgun can shred face in close quarters due to its large, high damage, low velocity projectiles, but has little range. The SMG is the "all rounder", with medium velocity, medium damage, and medium range.

And bigger versions of a plasma weapon don't change damage per shot, cyclic rate, or projectile speed, they just let you fire longer. You can think of plasma weapons as having magazines that slowly refill themselves, with heavier versions refilling themselves faster. Upsizing a particular weapon in L2.0 doesn't make it a whole new gun, it just gives the weapon a slight boost.

P.S. I'd be totally fine with getting rid of the SMG... but somehow I don't think Hi-Rez would be.

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Give a man a pistol, and he'll play for a day... Teach a man to disc, and he'll stay devoted forever.
Loadouts 2.0 - Directional Jets - True Inheritance - Cosine Splash - Active Regen - Abolish Credits

Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:36 pm

Negri

Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:46 am
Posts: 7

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

I support this absolutely and would love playing this class:

Marauder

Heavy Armor
Spinfusor (L)
Thumper (M)
Shotgun (S)
Shield Pack (L)
Frag Grenades (S)

Duties

Base defence
Generator assault
Killing everybody

Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:37 pm

loveundermytail

Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:29 am
Posts: 54

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

I wish HiRez would even grace us with their presence. I feel like they come down from their golden mountain top just to say pointless one liners all the time.

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Kim Jon Il will be missed. The same can't be said for Tribes: Ascend if it doesn't have properly balanced classes.

December 15th Fishpatch Ahoy!
December 21st HitScan's Revenge!
December 28th 50% Inheritance!
January 6th Techpatch Doom!

Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:22 pm

iHaTehNameGame

Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:35 pm
Posts: 1043
Location: San Francisco, CA
Steam Gamer Name: Ignorance

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

loveundermytail wrote:

I wish HiRez would even grace us with their presence. I feel like they come down from their golden mountain top just to say pointless one liners all the time.

They do listen, you just need a big enough fish for them to respond...

_________________
<An open attempt at an FPSZ>

<Getting the Most Out of the Jetpack Video Series>

Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:54 pm

shazmybot

Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:17 pm
Posts: 53

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

God, if only we were in some kind of pre-launch phase where the developers could respond to feedback from players. Some kind of "closed" event where we could preform tests on mechanics and ideas. Maybe that "closed" event could even have some player-suggested mechanics as well.

Hang on, I think I might be on to something big here.

Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:36 pm

ri0tc0re

Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:43 pm
Posts: 1

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

+Support.

The only downside I see to this is that a lot of players have put money into the game, and rolling back VIP time and gold would probably take a lot of time. Still, it'd be well worth it in my opinion. I wouldn't mind starting over completely for this system. Also:

Iron Wall

Heavy Armor
Repair Gun (XL)
SMG (S)
Shield Pack (S)
Force Field (M, x2)

Duties

Put up a lot of annoying force fields and keep them maintained.

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:21 pm

slayer105

Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:16 pm
Posts: 62

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

I do not agree with the current class system, perk/skill tree system as it is, right now. But this.....this sounds like were getting somewhere.

+1

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:39 pm

VashTHT

Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm
Posts: 1104

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

+1 it's not perfect, but I think it's on the path to something amazing.

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AsuraPhoenix wrote:

blackwhiskers wrote:

regarding boosting - sometimes nitron jumps indeed do squat, but no dice 8 out of 10 times? dude, you're bad, then. learn to throw nitrons properly behind you, not beneath you.

No, i'm not bad. Some people can just recreate bugs easier than others.

No offense, I just thought this was hilarious.

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:56 pm

SmoothP

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:28 am
Posts: 1584

Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

TheEschaton wrote:

It should be taken as a sign that, given how much SmoothP and I disagree on some things, I don't think he's that far off on this. Whether Loadouts 2.0 is the way to go or some other system of customization is chosen really doesn't matter - the point is that this community's discussion keeps returning to the concept of customizable loadouts because not having it is a step back in terms of putting emergent power into the hands of the players, AND from where we are standing it seems like customizable loadouts would actually MAKE HiRez more money. Hey, we could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Hey, man, we only really disagree on health regen. 8-)

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There are some questions I have concerning Loadouts 2.0 for ya, though SmoothP - although to be honest I'll just say right now that it's mostly to keep this topic bumped at the top of the stack for as long as possible; these are just quibbles:

1. If HiRez has players pay for weapon size, then doesn't that make this a "pay to win" system? I mean, the other option would be to pay OR earn through experience, but then this system makes my Tribes into something that too closely resembles an RPG for my liking (I'm all for RPGs in general, but not when I want everyone to be able to compete on the same level. Such a game should not rely on players grinding over long periods of time; it's apt to induce frustration).

Because of the weight limits, every loadout would be theoretically balanced, but different loadouts would be better in certain situations than others. And it would be no more P2W than the current system. Having more loadouts, items, and custom slots unlocked would give you more flexibility to do different things, but you'd still only be doing one thing at at time.

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2. The energy packs are doing regen instead of adding to the pool - is that how it was in T1 and T2, or did you change their mechanics to avoid their abuse with the Phase rifle? I honestly don't remember how it was right now, but I'm remembering that they gave you a little of both in the previous games?

The old energy packs affected regen. Or else they would only give a small befenit unless you were using energy really slowly and letting it top off. This means that energy packs increase your effective RoF with energy weapons, but it also means you're giving up other potential advantages.

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3. Reusing models for weapons with different stats is a little worrying, because one generally relies on the visual appearance/behavior of an item in a game to understand how to counter it when it is in the hands of the enemy. This system could therefore conceivably result in a reduction of skill from the game, because it wouldn't be possible to "know" the enemy as well as before. Clever use of skins/minor model/animation changes could pretty much solve this. I'm reminded of Borderlands handled this sort of proliferation.

Schottingham suggested different color schemes on the weapon weights, this is a great idea, and would work across the different weps. Something along the lines of S = black / green, M = black / yellow, L = black / red would be great, and if done well could even more visible than different models.

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:43 pm

raptorak

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am
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Re: Loadouts 2.0: Customization for the masses, CASH for Hi-Rez

Rarely would I give my 100% support for anyone's ideas other than my own, however, given that my head is full of cotton wool, I support SmoothP for president of Hi-Rez.

Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:03 pm

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