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geeah Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:39 pm Posts: 255	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Yet another thing to make me sad. A lot of those shots should have ended runs right there, a lot look like little to no damage? _________________ Tebow > T:A
Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:50 am

LordOpeth Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:01 pm Posts: 643	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version A mortar blew up right next to me and didn't kill me last night.. _________________ T1 - MrBungle T2 - (ZOC) MrBungle Why does allot here expcept dieng in big KABOOM glory but dont give honnor to the silent laser thro your head in air HS your dead ? -uFr49
Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:55 am

TripLikeIDo Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:03 am Posts: 179	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Hi-Rez, if you aren't going to do the 3/4/5 at least make the heavy's weapons more powerful to make up for the lack of arsenal that we are accustomed to. Increase the damage/knockback and increase the AoE: the actual blast radius where damage is caused and not just the art. How am I supposed to impress the ladies with this thing?
Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:19 am

Litego Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:12 pm Posts: 5538 Location: North Cape - Norway	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Leviathan seems to be racking up kills with that thing on the EU servers. I find its radius to be insane, but if it's hard to use I guess that's ok. That reload part of your video was extremely frustrating to watch! Not because you do it wrong, but because I agree with you, it's an annoying feature! I don't care about realism, this is Tribes FFS! I'd prefer if my weapons reload on my back, it makes the game play smoother and more fun. We want to shoot people, not reload! _________________ Lag spike + lag compensation = lols
Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:20 am

ArchangelXv1 Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm Posts: 1600 Location: Oahu,Hawaii	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version I didn't say I wasn't killing anyone, I've gotten plenty of artillery strikes with dead-on hits...but add in the fact you don't get many points for D'ing the flag, nailing cappers, etc, plus the fact that blowing equipment up is difficult (You know how many eggs it takes to blow up a Gen in T:A? Alot.)...add in all the little bits and pieces, plus the huge amount of frustration from nailing people with shots that you know should have killed them outright, and it's just too much. Perfect example is 2:33 in the video...you can't make it much more clearer than that. That dude shoulda been dead...instead I end up having to chase him all over the place with a disc. That mortar shoulda spread him like paint all over that big hill he was going up. _________________ Communication is a very worthy thing. Fool's Epic T1 Movie
Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:29 am

Zell Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm Posts: 380	Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching! Immie wrote: "Reload on weapon switch" This is not a new mechanic. Being able to switch before you've reloaded is. Just wait for the reload before you switch and it will be exactly the same as T1/2/V. You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch. Other than that, I agree- less bounce, less arm time, more AoE, more damage. I'm sorry but when you don't know what you're saying you don't speak. In Vengeance there is no such thing as "reloading" only RoF defines how fast you can switch and it's a LOT more fun and efficient than in T:A. Hi-Rez simply mistook "cosmetic RoF animation" and reloading. Grave mistake. It's counter intuitive to fluid gameplay and Tribes IS about fluid gameplay. You should not reload every f*** shell/disk it negates any sort of synergy between the 2 lousy weapons we have. Not to mention when you switch back to the spin if you notice the disk is already loaded, then actually vanishes so you can witness the obnoxious reload animation once more. This should be purely cosmetic not have any sort of impact on weapon switch. That my friends, is a fact. Simple version for ADDs: We should be exempt from the "reloading" animation( should act as a cosmetic RoF timer) when we switched weapons for longer than the previous's weapon RoF. I don't care how to try to rationalize this combat needs to be a LOT faster paced than the current reload/ weapon switch mechanism allows it. Currently it's a game breaking issue And yeah Mortar arm time is completely off people just strut away from it no stress.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:04 am

Nadbadass Beta Tester Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:41 pm Posts: 311	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version I haven't been able to use the mortar myself, and I can't say that I've seen any in the games I played yesterday. I played for most of the day, and all the Heavies I saw were playing as Doombringers with the Chaingun and lock-on Missile Launcher. Judging from the vid, I would say it could use some damage and radius buffs. It's certainly no where near as devastating as they were in the original games. _________________ LF T:A NA West Comp Team IGN: FlakCannon
Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:35 am

Immie Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm Posts: 1310	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version @Zell: Nothing I said was incorrect and nothing you said disproved it. You just changed the term reload to rate of fire... which, in those games, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing. _________________ Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:40 am

Zell Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm Posts: 380	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Immie wrote: @Zell: Nothing I said was incorrect and nothing you said disproved it. You just changed the term reload to rate of fire... which, in those games, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing. Are you kidding me? Clueless much? Will I have to make an educational video about this?! /facepalm.
Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:47 am

Immie Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm Posts: 1310	Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version Go right ahead. I'd like to see where you are misunderstanding. EDIT: I did some tests. It's different in vengeance- weapons reload while they are not active... allowing you to achieve a faster rof by spamming weapon swaps and taking a shot out of each of them. T1/2 have it how I explained earlier though. One of those three games is considered a failure by 90% of the community. So, like you said, Tribes is about fluid gameplay (not spamming weapon swaps). _________________ Sorry but you cannot use search at this time. Please try again in a few minutes.
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geeah

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:39 pm
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Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Yet another thing to make me sad. A lot of those shots should have ended runs right there, a lot look like little to no damage?

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:50 am

LordOpeth

Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:01 pm
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Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

A mortar blew up right next to me and didn't kill me last night..

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T2 - (ZOC) MrBungle

Why does allot here expcept dieng in big KABOOM glory but dont give honnor to the silent laser thro your head in air HS your dead ? -uFr49

Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:55 am

TripLikeIDo

Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:03 am
Posts: 179

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Hi-Rez, if you aren't going to do the 3/4/5 at least make the heavy's weapons more powerful to make up for the lack of arsenal that we are accustomed to.

Increase the damage/knockback and increase the AoE: the actual blast radius where damage is caused and not just the art.

How am I supposed to impress the ladies with this thing?

Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:19 am

Litego

Joined: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:12 pm
Posts: 5538
Location: North Cape - Norway

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Leviathan seems to be racking up kills with that thing on the EU servers. I find its radius to be insane, but if it's hard to use I guess that's ok.

That reload part of your video was extremely frustrating to watch! Not because you do it wrong, but because I agree with you, it's an annoying feature! I don't care about realism, this is Tribes FFS! I'd prefer if my weapons reload on my back, it makes the game play smoother and more fun. We want to shoot people, not reload!

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Lag spike + lag compensation = lols

Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:20 am

ArchangelXv1

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:05 pm
Posts: 1600
Location: Oahu,Hawaii

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

I didn't say I wasn't killing anyone, I've gotten plenty of artillery strikes with dead-on hits...but add in the fact you don't get many points for D'ing the flag, nailing cappers, etc, plus the fact that blowing equipment up is difficult (You know how many eggs it takes to blow up a Gen in T:A? Alot.)...add in all the little bits and pieces, plus the huge amount of frustration from nailing people with shots that you know should have killed them outright, and it's just too much.

Perfect example is 2:33 in the video...you can't make it much more clearer than that. That dude shoulda been dead...instead I end up having to chase him all over the place with a disc. That mortar shoulda spread him like paint all over that big hill he was going up.

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Fool's Epic T1 Movie

Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:29 am

Zell

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm
Posts: 380

Re: 12 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! Wpn Rld Switching!

Immie wrote:

"Reload on weapon switch"

This is not a new mechanic. Being able to switch before you've reloaded is. Just wait for the reload before you switch and it will be exactly the same as T1/2/V.

You kept firing and changing weapons for no reason, then switching back and wondering why the weapon didn't magically reload itself on your back. Was frustrating to watch.

Other than that, I agree- less bounce, less arm time, more AoE, more damage.

I'm sorry but when you don't know what you're saying you don't speak. In Vengeance there is no such thing as "reloading" only RoF defines how fast you can switch and it's a LOT more fun and efficient than in T:A. Hi-Rez simply mistook "cosmetic RoF animation" and reloading. Grave mistake.

It's counter intuitive to fluid gameplay and Tribes IS about fluid gameplay. You should not reload every f*** shell/disk it negates any sort of synergy between the 2 lousy weapons we have. Not to mention when you switch back to the spin if you notice the disk is already loaded, then actually vanishes so you can witness the obnoxious reload animation once more. This should be purely cosmetic not have any sort of impact on weapon switch. That my friends, is a fact.

Simple version for ADDs: We should be exempt from the "reloading" animation( should act as a cosmetic RoF timer) when we switched weapons for longer than the previous's weapon RoF.

I don't care how to try to rationalize this combat needs to be a LOT faster paced than the current reload/ weapon switch mechanism allows it.

Currently it's a game breaking issue

And yeah Mortar arm time is completely off people just strut away from it no stress.

Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:04 am

Nadbadass

Beta Tester

Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:41 pm
Posts: 311

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

I haven't been able to use the mortar myself, and I can't say that I've seen any in the games I played yesterday. I played for most of the day, and all the Heavies I saw were playing as Doombringers with the Chaingun and lock-on Missile Launcher.

Judging from the vid, I would say it could use some damage and radius buffs. It's certainly no where near as devastating as they were in the original games.

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:35 am

Immie

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm
Posts: 1310

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

@Zell: Nothing I said was incorrect and nothing you said disproved it. You just changed the term reload to rate of fire... which, in those games, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing.

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:40 am

Zell

Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:39 pm
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Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Immie wrote:

@Zell: Nothing I said was incorrect and nothing you said disproved it. You just changed the term reload to rate of fire... which, in those games, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing.

Are you kidding me? Clueless much? Will I have to make an educational video about this?!

/facepalm.

Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:47 am

Immie

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:10 pm
Posts: 1310

Re: 9 Min Fail Video - MORTAR NEEDS LOVE! High Rez Version

Go right ahead. I'd like to see where you are misunderstanding.

EDIT: I did some tests. It's different in vengeance- weapons reload while they are not active... allowing you to achieve a faster rof by spamming weapon swaps and taking a shot out of each of them. T1/2 have it how I explained earlier though. One of those three games is considered a failure by 90% of the community.

So, like you said, Tribes is about fluid gameplay (not spamming weapon swaps).

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